4 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

So still no answer as to why, with increasing toxicity in the environment, infant mortality rates have improved dramatically?????

You have to put a bit more meat on the bones Will. What country are you talking about? Florence Nightingale did so much to point the way towards good health care practices.

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

You have to put a bit more meat on the bones Will. What country are you talking about? Florence Nightingale did so much to point the way towards good health care practices.

 

 

Have a guess.....the rock in my front garden worked it out.

This is what Anti -Vackers cause, spreading false information about Vaccines Stiddle mump

 

 

Amazing, some people will never give up with the proselytizing of COVID 19 vaccines. Well, up to you, enjoy injecting yourself with experimental drugs. 

For anyone who missed the earlier mod's note on this above, I'll repeat it here once more:

 

"5. You will not use ASEAN NOW to post any material which is knowingly or can be reasonably construed as false, inaccurate, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law. Topics or posts deemed to be scaremongering, deliberately misleading or which deliberately distort information will be removed. In factual areas such as news forums and current affairs topics member content that is claimed or portrayed as a fact should be supported by a link to a relevant reputable source."

 

Further posts failing the follow the above forum rule likewise will be removed.

9 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

Amazing, some people will never give up with the proselytizing of COVID 19 vaccines. Well, up to you, enjoy injecting yourself with experimental drugs. 

 

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines were tested in clinical trials, aren’t experimental

Published on: 03 May 2024

 

"COVID-19 mRNA vaccines went through multiple stages of clinical testing to ensure their safety and effectiveness. As they’ve already cleared clinical trials, they’re no longer experimental. The trials and real-world data have also shown that COVID-19 vaccines are effective at reducing the risk of severe disease and death."

 

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/covid-19-mrna-vaccines-tested-clinical-trials-arent-experimental/

 

 

• The vaccines are not experimental. They have undergone months of clinical testing; data shows they are both safe and effective; and they have been safely administered to hundreds of millions of Americans.

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jan/24/facebook-posts/covid-19-vaccines-do-not-contain-graphene-are-not-/

 

 

8 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

This is what Anti -Vackers cause, spreading false information about Vaccines Stiddle mump

 

 

Measles was eliminated in America in the year 2000, due to a highly effective vaccination program. In 2025, there have been 3 confirmed deaths from measles. There are currently 1375 measles cases.

 

IMO some posters merit a good horsewhipping. Along with the recovered heroin addict.

 

 

Cases of Mumps,Measles and Rubella have increased in Areas like Merseyside in the UK due to people spreading rumours of the MHRNA vaccine. This has resulted in 1 baby's death and a rise in Measles in that Area.

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

I should know better..... currently arguing with flat Earthers on another site.....why oh why????

Masochism

35 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines were tested in clinical trials, aren’t experimental

Published on: 03 May 2024

 

"COVID-19 mRNA vaccines went through multiple stages of clinical testing to ensure their safety and effectiveness. As they’ve already cleared clinical trials, they’re no longer experimental. The trials and real-world data have also shown that COVID-19 vaccines are effective at reducing the risk of severe disease and death."

 

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/covid-19-mrna-vaccines-tested-clinical-trials-arent-experimental/

 

 

• The vaccines are not experimental. They have undergone months of clinical testing; data shows they are both safe and effective; and they have been safely administered to hundreds of millions of Americans.

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jan/24/facebook-posts/covid-19-vaccines-do-not-contain-graphene-are-not-/

 

 

Just to follow up and support this post, here is a copy of an email I sent to a friend here (who is not that bright) who was spreading nonsense about the vaccine causing many thousands of deaths.....

 

Over 13. 78 BILLION vaccinations of the Covid 19 jabs have been administered worldwide and 8,164 deaths have been recorded and investigated.                 

 

Dr Sharan said that serious side effects that could cause a long-term health problem are “extremely unlikely following any vaccination, including COVID-19 vaccination(s).” “COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective,” she said. “COVID-19 vaccines were evaluated in tens of thousands of participants in clinical trials and found to be safe.

 

Friends here have had the Vaccine two or three times with no ill effects.....the same with me. Look at the numbers again......13.78 BILLION jabs given and none were found to cause death or serious side effects.

 

Claims that millions of people have died from the COVID-19 vaccine are unfounded and a 52-page report from a pair of anti-vaccine advocates, including a Doctor, claims to present the truth about COVID-19 vaccines. However, it does just the opposite. The website Stop World Control published the so-called Vaccine Death Report in September 2021, and it was shared across Facebook and has since been discredited.

 

Conclusion:-  a total of 13.78 billion doses of the Covid 19 vaccine were administered worldwide with no cause of death or serious illness directly attributed to them.

 

When I told him that I'd had three vaccinations in respect of Covid, he sympathised with me and for me to expect the worst, however when I told him that just about all of the people I knew here had the same, he wasn't quite so chirpy.

 

IMO rumours like this and others regarding medicine and the medical profession abound within the poorly educated (sound familiar) and plain dim/dumb fraternity.......and when the US has put an former drug addict and anti-vax campaigner in charge, one has to pity the US esp when they have also got a dumb felon and compulsive liar as president.

 

 

 

 

48 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

This is what Anti -Vackers cause, spreading false information about Vaccines Stiddle mump

 

 

I'll respond to this for the second time. With more elaborate words.

 

These white-coats are quick to throw about 'facts' about diseases; in this case measles. They (these words) in turn are latched onto by the MSM, and anyone else who sees where a buck or two can be made.

 

Before the WWW came along it was difficult to get copies of experiments. It was then difficult to build a balanced view, because the research data was so obscure. However; this is no longer the case. Many of the experiments, some by professional bodies, as in the US Military, and others, by Big Pharma funded labs, are now available,on line, for those who have a desire to look.

 

Regarding measles. Nobel Prize winner Dr Enders, did experiments with the 'measles virus' in 1954. This particular lab work is important because it became the 'gold standard' for 'isolating' a virus by the virologists. In his methodology, he clearly states the procedure of both the sample, and one (control) that ran alongside. His paper concludes that both the sample and the control showed the same result. What does that mean? It means that the procedure, rather than mucous laden viruses cause the result.

 

This paper is available for all to see. It casts serious doubt on whether a 'measles virus' exists. These early experiments are fundamental to understanding how virus dogma has evolved.

Your just Deflecting Stiddle Mump. Answer the question " Why is an outbreak of Measles causing baby Deathes in an Area of the UK" Don't deflect answer Why ?

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

Your just Deflecting Stiddle Mump. Answer the question " Why is an outbreak of Measles causing baby Deathes in an Area of the UK" Don't deflect answer Why ?

Who says it is measles? Very hard to tell the difference in the 'poxes'.

 

If I was still involved in medicine, and asked to advise, I might be looking at various other things. Environment, diet, medical history etc. Try to pin down the causes of the complaint. Get to the nitty-gritty of it. Why is there sickness?

 

It is not the fever. Not the loss of appetite. Not the pustules. Not the lethargy. Those are not the problem. They are symptoms. The symptoms are evidence that the body - through various mechanisms - is trying to normalise/cure itself. Get itself back to good health.

5 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Who says it is measles? Very hard to tell the difference in the 'poxes'.

 

If I was still involved in medicine, and asked to advise, I might be looking at various other things. Environment, diet, medical history etc. Try to pin down the causes of the complaint. Get to the nitty-gritty of it. Why is there sickness?

 

It is not the fever. Not the loss of appetite. Not the pustules. Not the lethargy. Those are not the problem. They are symptoms. The symptoms are evidence that the body - through various mechanisms - is trying to normalise/cure itself. Get itself back to good health.

Bye.

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Regarding measles. Nobel Prize winner Dr Enders, did experiments with the 'measles virus' in 1954. This particular lab work is important because it became the 'gold standard' for 'isolating' a virus by the virologists. In his methodology, he clearly states the procedure of both the sample, and one (control) that ran alongside. His paper concludes that both the sample and the control showed the same result. What does that mean? It means that the procedure, rather than mucous laden viruses cause the result.

 

 

 

 

Yale Medicine:

 

"Measles: This infection, caused by the rubeola virus (which is not the same as rubella, described below), causes a fever, rash, cough, runny nose, and red eyes. Ear infection, diarrhea, pneumonia and—in rare cases—brain damage, and even death can occur. The MMR vaccine is 97 percent effective at preventing measles."

 

AND

 

"...when cases of measles occur, they are dangerous, particularly for children under the age of 5. That’s because measles is one of the world’s most contagious diseases. It is spread through the air (when an infected person coughs or sneezes) or by direct contact with a contaminated surface.

 

Measles is also dangerous because of the complications that can arise in affected people, especially in children who are malnourished or have weakened immune systems. In the United States, measles is fatal for about 2 in 1,000 children infected. Between 2000 and 2018, measles vaccinations prevented an estimated 23.2 million deaths worldwide."

 

https://www.yalemedicine.org/conditions/measles

 

 

AND

 

Wikipedia:

 

John Franklin Enders (February 10, 1897 – September 8, 1985) was an American biomedical scientist and Nobel Laureate. Enders has been called "The Father of Modern Vaccines."

...

In 1954, Enders and Thomas C. Peebles isolated measlesvirus from an 11-year-old boy, David Edmonston.^[11] Disappointed by polio vaccine's development and involvement in some cases of polio and death—what Enders attributed to Salk's technique—Enders began development of measles vaccine.^[11] In October 1960, an Enders team began trials on 1,500 mentally retarded children in New York City and on 4,000 children in Nigeria.^[12] Refusing credit for merely himself when The New York Times announced the measles vaccine effective on September 17, 1961, Enders wrote to the newspaper to acknowledge the work of various colleagues and the collaborative nature of the research.^[4][12] In 1963, a deactivated measles vaccine and an attenuated measles vaccine were introduced by Pfizer and Merck & Co., respectively.^[13]  [emphasis added}

 

 

This subforum is about COVID, not the measles. And this thread is about COVID vaccines, not the measles.

 

Posters above have raised the measles topic and it has been responded to.

 

Now, anyone wishing to continue a discussion about measles should do so in an appropriate place elsewhere on the forum... such as:

 

https://aseannow.com/forum/461-the-wellness-zone/

 

or in the case of news reports:

 

https://aseannow.com/forum/470-what-the-papers-are-saying/

 

 

This member posted this link refering to the validety of Vaccines, some simlpy mentioned a different Virus that was ended with a vaccine and prevention.

 

 

 

What science could that be Sir? The science that we are told is settled, and cannot be questioned?

 

Go and read Dr Enders' 1954 paper of his lab experiments. Then tell me the virologists, and immunologists, and vaccinologist; and all the other 'ologists have it right. They are all sipping from the gravy train. Well! Most of them; can't really say all. There might be quite a few that know the score but have bills to pay.