August 28, 2025Aug 28 5 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Trump is Putin's poodle. Trump has stopped all financial and arms aid to Ukraine. Only sales to make money. The ww3 fear mongering is Kremlin propaganda 100 percent. I guess you think readers here are stupid. Really! And sleepy Joe. Was he too a poodle? Can't you see that these people (Presidents Biden and Trump) are not in control. They can tinker around the edges, but any more than that is a no,no. So what is the US's nuclear maneuvering all for then, Sir?
August 28, 2025Aug 28 On 8/26/2025 at 11:37 PM, dinsdale said: This is pure fantasy. To call people who see what the reality of the battlefield is Russian propagandists is pure nonsence. This summer's offensive will see the largest amount of ground taken since the end of the Ukrainian counter offensive of 2023. DeepState is the Ukrainian Defence Ministry Map. https://deepstatemap.live/en#9/48.3229892/37.5063827 It may well be the largest amount of ground taken since the end of the Ukrainian counter-offensive in 2023 but it's still an absolutely minuscule amount (equivalent to only 1% of Ukraine's territory) gained both at an absolute snail's pace, and at a horrendous cost in Russian lives. I posted these figures before on another thread but I think they bear repeating here, to make the point that even if you think the Russians are currently winning, it's only in the most limited, technical sense and is a classic example of a pyrrhic victory (at best). "4.4 years – The time it would take Moscow’s forces to capture the remainder of territory that Russia has annexed, according to an MoD assessment 1 per cent – The amount of Ukraine’s land taken by Russian troops in the past 1,000 days of war, according to French President Emmanuel Macron 1.9 million – The number of additional casualties Russia would need to suffer to achieve Putin’s goals in Ukraine, according to an MoD assessment 0.9 per cent – The International Monetary Fund’s 2025 growth estimate for Russia, down from an initial 1.5 per cent forecast it made in April as the economy strains under the pressure of war 26 – The number of months it took Russian troops to advance 6.8 miles in Donetsk, from western Bakhmut to the western edge of Chasiv Yar, amid a painfully slow advance." Nearly two million more casualties: The numbers that show Russia is years from victory https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/08/19/russia-is-years-from-victory-trump-putin/
August 28, 2025Aug 28 3 minutes ago, BLMFem said: Rubbish, but Putin thanks you. Rubbish eh? Who was in charge when the US instigated the 2014 coup. And did not Zelenskyy have to learn Ukrainian, as he was a Russian speaker? None so blind as those who will not see.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 Author 2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said: Really! And sleepy Joe. Was he too a poodle? Can't you see that these people (Presidents Biden and Trump) are not in control. They can tinker around the edges, but any more than that is a no,no. So what is the US's nuclear maneuvering all for then, Sir? Biden was much better but he fell for Putin's nuke threats and only helped enough for Ukraine to hang on, never to win. If you're talking about moron Trump reacting to the alcoholic buffoon Medvedev, that was just idiocy. Trump doesn't know what he's doing. He doesn't understand the conflict at all. His interest insanely is getting the Nobel Peace Prize which will never happen.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 Author 12 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said: Rubbish eh? Who was in charge when the US instigated the 2014 coup. And did not Zelenskyy have to learn Ukrainian, as he was a Russian speaker? None so blind as those who will not see. Frankly my dear us engaging in "debate" is as much a black hole waste of time as a decent pro rule of law American trying to reason with a maga American. You're clearly actively promoting the Russian Z fascist agenda. Nothing really to say to such people.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 36 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said: Now, for reasons we can just guess, but we might never know, he has doubled down. Just who has the Don by the short and curlies? Jing thinks Putin has him. What is your guess?
August 28, 2025Aug 28 Author 4 minutes ago, Oliver Holzerfilled said: Jing thinks Putin has him. What is your guess? Trump may be the last sentient human who actually thinks Putin wants peace and that cutting him breaks again and again and again (Taco Two Weeks) will help speed up a peace process. It's obviously the OPPOSITE.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 10 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Frankly my dear us engaging in "debate" is as much a black hole waste of time as a decent pro rule of law American trying to reason with a maga American. You're clearly actively promoting the Russian Z fascist agenda. Nothing really to say to such people. This topic is the most ridiculous I've seen on AN. And I've been on here for years; just like yourself. Ukraine is a shambles. Millions have left. 1.7 million missing or dead. Mass graves with hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers bulldozed into them. Odessa about to fall. And when it does, there will surely be a push north towards Kiev. Kids being kidnapped on the streets and sent straight to the front lines. All this time the Ukrainian Nazis are still holding a grip on the military; and Zelensky himself. I'll tell you why you are reluctant to debate. Because Ukraine is not winning. Any fool can see that. Ukraine will finish up a rump state like Kosovo. And when it is all over - and I suggest that it sooner rather than later - The Don will do deals with the Ruskies.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 11 minutes ago, Oliver Holzerfilled said: Jing thinks Putin has him. What is your guess? Not so sure about that Oliver. But I'm quite sure that The Don has form, that he don't want exposed. A couple of years back it was suggested that the Ruskies had copies of all the Epstein tapes. The Israelis had another set. As do the CIA. And the FBI. So who really knows who is pulling who's strings? The biggest problem for the west (generally) is that Pres Putin will not bend the knee.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 Author 12 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said: This topic is the most ridiculous I've seen on AN. And I've been on here for years; just like yourself. Ukraine is a shambles. Millions have left. 1.7 million missing or dead. Mass graves with hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers bulldozed into them. Odessa about to fall. And when it does, there will surely be a push north towards Kiev. Kids being kidnapped on the streets and sent straight to the front lines. All this time the Ukrainian Nazis are still holding a grip on the military; and Zelensky himself. I'll tell you why you are reluctant to debate. Because Ukraine is not winning. Any fool can see that. Ukraine will finish up a rump state like Kosovo. And when it is all over - and I suggest that it sooner rather than later - The Don will do deals with the Ruskies. The Nazi side is in Moscow. Odessa isn't about to fall. You clearly want it too though.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 2 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said: It may well be the largest amount of ground taken since the end of the Ukrainian counter-offensive in 2023 but it's still an absolutely minuscule amount (equivalent to only 1% of Ukraine's territory) gained both at an absolute snail's pace, and at a horrendous cost in Russian lives. I posted these figures before on another thread but I think they bear repeating here, to make the point that even if you think the Russians are currently winning, it's only in the most limited, technical sense and is a classic example of a pyrrhic victory (at best). "4.4 years – The time it would take Moscow’s forces to capture the remainder of territory that Russia has annexed, according to an MoD assessment 1 per cent – The amount of Ukraine’s land taken by Russian troops in the past 1,000 days of war, according to French President Emmanuel Macron 1.9 million – The number of additional casualties Russia would need to suffer to achieve Putin’s goals in Ukraine, according to an MoD assessment 0.9 per cent – The International Monetary Fund’s 2025 growth estimate for Russia, down from an initial 1.5 per cent forecast it made in April as the economy strains under the pressure of war 26 – The number of months it took Russian troops to advance 6.8 miles in Donetsk, from western Bakhmut to the western edge of Chasiv Yar, amid a painfully slow advance." Nearly two million more casualties: The numbers that show Russia is years from victory https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/08/19/russia-is-years-from-victory-trump-putin/ It's a war of attrition, it's not a linear war of manoeuvre. Purpose of an attritional war is to attrit the enemy. Gaining territory is not the primary objective.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: The Nazi side is in Moscow. Odessa isn't about to fall. You clearly want it too though. I've no skin in this conflict. I want a fair peace. But I also want to see the Nazi elements neutralised; and not able to start trouble again some years down the road. I also want to see the US stop meddling in other country's affairs; as they have done regularly since WW2 (is Venezuela is next for the burn). For the UK; I want to see a much fairer foreign policy. At the present they have a black Foreign Secretary who believes in apartheid, and a Human Rights lawyer as PM, who thinks genocide is OK. The the elites all want war with the Ruskies, it seems. All these gung-ho western nations should be looking after their own; first and foremost. Not going round the world starting conflicts. "The Nazi side is in Moscow." Don't talk like a fool. "Odessa isn't about to fall." Within the next 12 months. "You clearly want it too though." RE - the first two sentences of this post.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 Author 5 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said: I've no skin in this conflict. I want a fair peace. But I also want to see the Nazi elements neutralised; and not able to start trouble again some years down the road. I also want to see the US stop meddling in other country's affairs; as they have done regularly since WW2 (is Venezuela is next for the burn). For the UK; I want to see a much fairer foreign policy. At the present they have a black Foreign Secretary who believes in apartheid, and a Human Rights lawyer as PM, who thinks genocide is OK. The the elites all want war with the Ruskies, it seems. All these gung-ho western nations should be looking after their own; first and foremost. Not going round the world starting conflicts. "The Nazi side is in Moscow." Don't talk like a fool. "Odessa isn't about to fall." Within the next 12 months. "You clearly want it too though." RE - the first two sentences of this post. Putin does not want peace. Fair or otherwise. He wants surrender and to erase Ukraine as a sovereign nation.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 Just now, Jingthing said: Putin does not want peace. Fair or otherwise. He wants surrender and to erase Ukraine as a sovereign nation. Of course Pres Putin wants peace. But, he wants it on his terms. The Ukrainians are on their knees. Time they gave up. Cleared all their Azovs from the east and south and started rebuilding; with the help of the US and UK naturally. The Americans can move into what will be a rump state, and stop the corruption.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 Author Just now, Stiddle Mump said: Of course Pres Putin wants peace. But, he wants it on his terms. The Ukrainians are on their knees. Time they gave up. Cleared all their Azovs from the east and south and started rebuilding; with the help of the US and UK naturally. The Americans can move into what will be a rump state, and stop the corruption. Kremlin propaganda
August 28, 2025Aug 28 3 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said: The US is maneuvering its weaponry. Lakenheath in Surry (England) is stockpiling US weapons. And if I know, I'm sure the Ruskies do. What could possibly go wrong. Sorry guys. Was reading back and found a factual error. Lakenheath is in Suffolk.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 12 hours ago, Jingthing said: Russian draft dodgers I love. Ukrainian draft dodgers not so much. Their nation has been invaded and occupied by a force that uses terrorism daily to intentionally target civilian targets. Anyone who takes five minutes of research will understand that Putin is open about his goal to completely erase everything about Ukrainian culture and identity. Indeed, but that's the problem isn't it? Very few Russians deserters, and half the Ukranians deserting. Ukraine is not losing the war because of inferior weaponry. Ukraine has superior drone capability and soon will operate its own cruise missiles with 3000-km range. It is losing the war for lack of soldiers. Countries like Germany have been paying Ukranian refugees good money to stay in Germany, which amounts to bribing Ukrainian men to leave Ukraine. And then there's talk of sending German and French troops into Ukraine. Europe = loony bin.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 3 hours ago, Jingthing said: Trump may be the last sentient human who actually thinks Putin wants peace and that cutting him breaks again and again and again (Taco Two Weeks) will help speed up a peace process. It's obviously the OPPOSITE. I was getting at the point of Trump's behavior being explained by the existence of blackmail material. Blackmail material isn't required to explain Trump's behavior. I think it's a nutty conspiracy theory and the only reason it hasn't been discredited (for reasons you have listed) is that Putin must be convinced he is winning the war.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 1 hour ago, dinsdale said: It's a war of attrition, it's not a linear war of manoeuvre. Purpose of an attritional war is to attrit the enemy. Gaining territory is not the primary objective. on that point the ruskies are getting their xsses kicked!
August 28, 2025Aug 28 11 minutes ago, jvs said: on that point the ruskies are getting their xsses kicked! If this is the case why are the Russian forces continuing to take ground? Surely if what you say is correct the "ruskies" would be being pushed back to "ruskie" land.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 Author 1 hour ago, JackGats said: Indeed, but that's the problem isn't it? Very few Russians deserters, and half the Ukranians deserting. Ukraine is not losing the war because of inferior weaponry. Ukraine has superior drone capability and soon will operate its own cruise missiles with 3000-km range. It is losing the war for lack of soldiers. Countries like Germany have been paying Ukranian refugees good money to stay in Germany, which amounts to bribing Ukrainian men to leave Ukraine. And then there's talk of sending German and French troops into Ukraine. Europe = loony bin. Russia hasn't had a mobilization lately. In the early days of the war there was a massive exodus of Russian young men. So you're simply WRONG in saying there aren't many Russian draft dodgers. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't know about this before. Russian emigration during the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia As you probably know Ukraine has not drafted younger age men but does offer contracts for obvious humanitarian and hope for the future reasons. That policy has many critics but my feeling is that it's their decision to make. Yes, it's true that Ukraine has a much more severe problem with recruitment than Russia (who have resorted to paying North Korean slaves and prisoners including rapists, murderers, and cannibals themselves). You lot talk as if Russian "winning" is a foregone conclusion. No, it is not. There are ways that Ukraine can take the advantage as they have dramatically this month. Who's in charge of their drone program? Lots of nerds. Not your stereotypical soldier. It's way premature to write Ukraine off. The majority of Ukrainians now do want the war to end with a negotiation. But I can assure you that doesn't mean they are ready to accept having their sovereignty erased by the orcs. A reasonable deal is on the table if Putin wanted it but he doesn't. Largely current lines frozen without official acceptance of occupied lands as Russia. No limits on Ukrainian military. No dictating Ukrainian's NATO ambitions. Return of the stolen children. Security guarantees that are NATO-like with no Russian veto of actions in response to future Russian aggression. That's the broad outline. More than reasonable and Putin hasn't budged on ANY of them. Again, he does NOT want peace. He wants surrender and he wants Ukraine to be absorbed into Russia sooner or later. You might say he can win that with war. No he can't.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 Author 3 minutes ago, dinsdale said: If this is the case why are the Russian forces continuing to take ground? Surely if what you say is correct the "ruskies" would be being pushed back to "ruskie" land. Tiny amounts. Nothing game changing.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: Tiny amounts. Nothing game changing. You obviously have no idea of what's going on so why even comment.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 Author 1 minute ago, dinsdale said: You obviously have no idea of what's going on so why even comment. Au contraire. You don't so don't bother telling me whether to comment. I guess it's exactly defending war criminal dictator Putin day in and day out.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 2 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Au contraire. You don't so don't bother telling me whether to comment. I guess it's exactly defending war criminal dictator Putin day in and day out. Kupiansk being flanked on it's western side. Kostiantynivka being enveloped. Siversk being enveloped. Pokrovsk and Myrhorad enveloped. Pokrovsk is a good example of attrition. Why close the pocket when you can keep attriting the enemy. Again attrition is the primary aim of the Russian forces not taking ground. Attritional war is not a complicated thing but it appears many on here haven't got the slightest understanding of it.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 25 minutes ago, dinsdale said: If this is the case why are the Russian forces continuing to take ground? Surely if what you say is correct the "ruskies" would be being pushed back to "ruskie" land. If you look into how many russian lives are lost for very minimal gain then you can see what they are doing is just madness. Wave after wave of infantry blown to pieces,no country can do that without running into trouble. If the russians are doing so well then why do they need soldiers from NK to fight for them? The Ukraine is very careful to lose as little men as possible,they killed and wounded well over 1 million russian soldiers. At the present rate of gaining land it would take russia many years to conquer all of Ukraine. They gain territory one time and get kicked back the next.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 Author Just now, dinsdale said: Kupiansk being flanked on it's western side. Kostiantynivka being enveloped. Siversk being enveloped. Pokrovsk and Myrhorad enveloped. Pokrovsk is a good example of attrition. Why close the pocket when you can keep attriting the enemy. Again attrition is the primary aim of the Russian forces not taking ground. Attritional war is not a complicated thing but it appears many on here haven't got the slightest understanding of it. How's that going to work out if Ukraine destroys 50 percent of Russia's oil refining capacity? Russia won't even have the money then to continue murdering civilians.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 1 minute ago, dinsdale said: Kupiansk being flanked on it's western side. Kostiantynivka being enveloped. Siversk being enveloped. Pokrovsk and Myrhorad enveloped. Pokrovsk is a good example of attrition. Why close the pocket when you can keep attriting the enemy. Again attrition is the primary aim of the Russian forces not taking ground. Attritional war is not a complicated thing but it appears many on here haven't got the slightest understanding of it. You should look at the maps and see what has happened in the last two weeks.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 Author 1 minute ago, jvs said: If you look into how many russian lives are lost for very minimal gain then you can see what they are doing is just madness. Wave after wave of infantry blown to pieces,no country can do that without running into trouble. If the russians are doing so well then why do they need soldiers from NK to fight for them? The Ukraine is very careful to lose as little men as possible,they killed and wounded well over 1 million russian soldiers. At the present rate of gaining land it would take russia many years to conquer all of Ukraine. They gain territory one time and get kicked back the next. Yes a huge price for very little. There are multiple things going on. The Z fascist cheerleaders are focused on insisting this war is much simpler than it actually is
August 28, 2025Aug 28 Author Just now, jvs said: You should look at the maps and see what has happened in the last two weeks. He wouldn't be interested in knowing about anything that challenges his simple minded Z narrative.
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