2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

You're both wrong she was very focused on me , one could say almost devoted. When I said I want to go to bed now she protested and insisted "I want to talk to you!".

This girl really loves me. I have no concern about any other man at all at this point.

Perfect - you'll stop bothering her now and she can get on with 'business'... and come to you later when her other options run out.

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Telling you exactly what you want to hear without any proof at all.

Well, proof is coming tomorrow. Not exactly though, I still expressed my displeasure at her not coming until February and wanted her to come earlier. But no dice. She said she'll come on 1st Feb though, so at least a bit earlier.

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

she can video and share her location.

I did clarify I did want to see that. She said she'll send it tomorrow as it was late.

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Perfect - you'll stop bothering her now and she can get on with 'business'... and come to you later when her other options run out.

Are you Machiavelli's bitter old uncle?

To imagine an innocent 24 year old Thai girl could think like that. Richard. Pull yourself together!

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Are you Machiavelli's bitter old uncle?

To imagine an innocent 24 year old Thai girl could think like that. Richard. Pull yourself together!

"One must be a fox to recognises traps and a lion to frighten wolves" [Machiavelli’s The Prince, 1513].... which makes your puppy-eyed, tail-wagging routine all the more tragic....

15 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Well, proof is coming tomorrow.

No its not !!! 🤣

15 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I did clarify I did want to see that. She said she'll send it tomorrow as it was late.

Yes - way too late to simply select 'share location'... so tasking but talking for an hour isn't...

Now she knows you are securely back on that hook you can look forwards to days of radio-silence as she continues her 'off radar' antics...

13 hours ago, Hummin said:

Maybe AI can help, and here is what AI responds to my post

Be an interesting test of AI capabilities to ask Grok or similar to analyse and summarise this entire thread, perhaps once it hits 200 pages...

16 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

13 hours ago, Hummin said:

Maybe AI can help, and here is what AI responds to my post

Be an interesting test of AI capabilities to ask Grok or similar to analyse and summarise this entire thread, perhaps once it hits 200 pages...

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

She says she likes Phuket better than Chonburi. But she's happy to come live in Chiang Mai. "Because one boy likes Chiang Mai so much"

What's this boys name? I would be livid if I was you. Talk about rub your nose in it.

Surprised it is only 'one boy' liking Chiang Mai taking into account the sheer number of boys we are talking about. What are the odds?....

12 hours ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

You are just deluding yourself. Did she stay with you for free? She did not. You had to pay her.

She is definitely a prostitute with diabetic feet. He paid, he got sex.

In what book is this not prostitution?

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Its classic mercenary p4p behavior and is obvious and transparent for everyone to see, except for some reason [ego], you.

The 'only' interest she has in you - is as a potential source of income if or when her current income stream expires - your ego blinds to this to the point of making you look foolish.

This Private Dunce novel is stretching on beyond all expectations . Some good writing in there recently Richard , though at times the back and forth with Cam is a bit like a Laurel and Hardy episode.

8 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Under normal circumstances, yes, but given what has transpired in the last 10 days, it is absolutely necessary to check her banking app to see if there was a farang transfer, where she spent money, if she was in Chonburi etc. Yes it's her business, but it affects me directly if she lied or not.

Sure, she won't like it, but if she wants to make things right, if she wants a long term rel, she'll accept it. I've had girls give me their Facebook passwords to make amends.

If she leaves, she leaves. Nothing you can do about it. A woman that loves you doesn't leave.

It's inappropriate to check any personal information on anyone, especially someone who's just a girlfriend. A possibly cheating wife ,yes. All you can do is ask and believe what she says.

This is a girl you dated for a month or so. Not a long term, committed relationship. If you've done this before, it shows controlling behavior, which doesn't belong in a relationship.

She isn't a daughter you're worried about. This is a free woman who has a right to her personal business. You either accept how she is or leave. People who love leave all the time, because love doesn't mean interrogations, abuse, neglect or prying into her personal life. It means accepting a person how they are. if how they are isn't what you like, you look elsewhere.

You have absolutely no business checking into her bank information. If you're committed and she allows it by her own choice it's different, like sharing a bank account with a relative.

29 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

It's inappropriate to check any personal information on anyone, especially someone who's just a girlfriend. A possibly cheating wife ,yes. All you can do is ask and believe what she says.

partially agree,

All women are unfaithful, so best not to worry about what they get up to when out of your sight and just understand the same applies to you. Obviously keep your hand firmly on your assets and don't part with more than you are willing to lose.

7 hours ago, Cameroni said:

They do love that, being chased and desired intensely. So true.

But they also like the man who is the top quality man, who doesn't chase.

Being a woman is an insanity. Everything to do with women doesn't make sense. Everything that has to do with females is insane.

That's why it's very important to learn everything you can about the female species. From reading many books and actually listening to them when they talk.

They are similar to us in ways and very different in others. Men are From Mars, Women are From Venus helps.

They aren't looking for the same things exactly like a man is, although they share some of the same dreams and desires. Even if they dream about the top quality man, which doesn't exist, they still settle for others, and sometimes a man nowhere near what they want because he can provide.

They are all the same, and all different, and the main things in how they look at men and relationships is based on what they saw in the own homes with their parents. If normalcy wasn't there, they adopt what their peers are doing, which many times is way off, immoral or abusive behavior. Add to this hormonal changes and you get a recipe for offbeat behavior, which can make a man insane if he doesn't understand and have patience.

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

partially agree,

All women are unfaithful, so best not to worry about what they get up to when out of your sight and just understand the same applies to you. Obviously keep your hand firmly on your assets and don't part with more than you are willing to lose.

They're not all unfaithful. maybe 40% or so, and many more do lie so it's hard to trust them, but you have to or else they'll never get close. Not worrying is right, because you can drive yourself crazy even when they aren't doing any wrong. Last sentence a no brainer.

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Not just that, but she has a history of this. She also claimed after the Austrian and her had a falling out, she thought he was playing on the side, so she had sex with two other guys herself. And then me.

So she' cheated on every single boyfriend she ever had, before me.

I view humans as similar to Bonobos, always built for cheating and sex. Nevertheless, people can chan

And now we are back at and keep in mind if this is true, you have performed a complete character murder on a forum against someone who can not defend herself.

Even posted pictures of her, and most likely would be recognized by someone.

And I'm still questioning the legality of doing so on a public forum.

6 hours ago, Cameroni said:

One hour!!! Great call.

My God, what a load off my broad manly shoulders. Finally this girl called me.

So a few new details:

1. She's not living with an aunt, but a 28 year old woman whom she calls "sister". So this friend of hers convinced her to come to Chonburi, no doubt because that way she could unload half the hotel costs on her, and pay less. She had a car so they drove to Chonburi.

2. The name of the cafe is confirmed.

3. Also confirmed she's in a hotel not a condo. Name also confirmed.

4. They split the cost of the hotel, 7000 per month. Must be a real dump, no WIFI. But she says a very central location.

5. She says she will send proof she's in Chonburi tomorrow.

6. The reason she didn't call earlier is that she didn't want to call in front of the friend, as she'd tell her mother.

7. She claims the reason why she didn't want me to come was purely money, if I was going to spend 4000 for a trip better to send her

8. She says she likes Phuket better than Chonburi. But she's happy to come live in Chiang Mai. "Because one boy likes Chiang Mai so much"

9. She registered to vote in Chon Buri because this idiot flatmate told her to do it.

10. I told her I was sure she cheated on me, just like what she did to her first bf. She was very firm, she did not do it this time. "I do worse" she joked. I said "5 guys? That's too much."

Oh so that explains everything. Good to see the phone made a comeback when needed. Come on man if it's a story it has to be believable and if it's real life then please admit to yourself that you want her regardless of what she's been up to and are willing to cop what ever she does to have her back.

7 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

Be an interesting test of AI capabilities to ask Grok or similar to analyse and summarise this entire thread, perhaps once it hits 200 pages...

Indeed, it showed AI's limitations and how dumb it is. It took Richard's posts at face value, which really means AI is incredibly stupid. Just because Richard & Co kept calling this girl a prostitute, basically defaming her, AI accepted it at face value. It really shows how limited and dumb AI still is. Can't distinguish between truth and lies.

6 hours ago, Keeps said:

What's this boys name?

She was referring to me!

There is only one boy in this girl's life.

And that's me.

The birds are singing, can you hear them?

6 hours ago, Celsius said:

She is definitely a prostitute

She's definitely not a prostitute. She's working in a cafe for real now. And she's not in Pattaya, she's in Chonburi City.

If she were a prostitute she wouldn't be working for 300 baht a day in a cafe as a waitress.

6 hours ago, Celsius said:

with diabetic feet

She's a picture of health and her feet are unusually cute. I like that she doesn't have these bony wolf feet. BKK girl had those. Her's are perfectly formed.

6 hours ago, Celsius said:

He paid, he got sex.

You're making a false equivalence. I did not pay for a one-off sex act. I solved a problem related to money that was incidental. This has nothing to do with prostitution. You need to look up what prostitution means. Clearly you're confused.

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

All women are unfaithful

no, not all.

also depends on you. sometimes you need to blame yourself if your woman strays.

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

If you're committed and she allows it by her own choice it's different, like sharing a bank account with a relative

I've said it all along. The checking of the bank account would only be done with her consent. I know she'll consent because she'll want to see my phone to see if I wrote to BKK girl. So I'll be happy to oblige, on the small condition that she show hers, ie her banking app. She'll do it.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

no, not all.

also depends on you. sometimes you need to blame yourself if your woman strays.

I think the interesting thing about cheating, and you're right not all cheat of course, is that nobody is safe.

If Giselle Bundchen cheated on Tom Brady, a handsome celebrity, sports legend and multi-millionaire, then it can happen to anyone and nobody's safe.

All this stuff the gurus tell you, if you are her most attractive option you'll be safe - is nonsense. Tom Brady was BY FAR Giselle Bundchen's most attractive option. He's even better looking than Joaquim. And yet she cheated on Brady.

That's what really gets me.

Just now, Cameroni said:

If Giselle Bundchen cheated on Tom Brady, a handsome celebrity, sports legend and multi-millionaire, then it can happen to anyone and nobody's safe.

But you cannot trust the media.

There's no way to know if Tom Brady himself was having a bunch of affairs or how he managed the relationship.

Also, rich and famous people are different from the average person.

So focusing on celebrities is not a good measuring stick.

Also, if children are involved especially, why would a woman risk losing a stable relationship when she needs helps supporting her children? Many won't -- unless you really suck as a partner.

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

partially agree,

All women are unfaithful, so best not to worry about what they get up to when out of your sight and just understand the same applies to you. Obviously keep your hand firmly on your assets and don't part with more than you are willing to lose.

I have found this to be the case, the older the men get they basically resign themselves to women cheating on them. And I understand why of course.

However, I've had this happen, BKK girl cheated. And it completely changed the relationship, even after we got friendly again. Obviously the massive distrust is there, if she did that. The resentment is there. The lack of respect rears its ugly head.

I really couldn't live with it. I'm glad things with BKK girl will end. Because she is a cheater. It's too much for a relationship to carry, I would think the majority of relationships would collapse under the weight of cheating.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

Also, if children are involved especially, why would a woman risk losing a stable relationship when she needs helps supporting her children? Many won't -- unless you really suck as a partner.

I don't think that applies necessarily, if the woman is wealthy herself. Then clearly she can raise the children without help of a partner. Besides, if she's in the throes of a passionate affair, that would trump everything most likely anyway.

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

But you cannot trust the media.

There's no way to know if Tom Brady himself was having a bunch of affairs or how he managed the relationship.

Also, rich and famous people are different from the average person.

All true, but by all accounts Brady was NOT having ANY affairs. Even Bundchen said so. When she tried to justify herself, she claimed it was because Brady put football first (which is a laugh as she'd known that for years), not because he was cheating.

He obviously didn't manage the relationship well, and somehow really damaged her ego and pride. But it really goes to show EVEN IF a man IS a woman's best option. If she's angry enough she'll still cheat. A sobering thought.

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

That's why it's very important to learn everything you can about the female species. From reading many books and actually listening to them when they talk.

Absolutely. I love doing that. But nothing can substitute real experience. Which is why one needs to take advice from men who've had only one or two long relationships with a grain of salt. They don't have experience. "Oh not true, I've a relationship of 18 years" "Yes, you have that with one woman". However, there are men who have experience with a great number of women.

It's the old apple analogy. A man who has an apple for the first time says it's the greatest fruit ever. But only a man who's hand countless apples, red, green, yellow, Gala, Pink Lady, etc, can truly judge the quality of an apple.

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

They are similar to us in ways and very different in others

I think as the weaker sex it is usually true that they lie a lot more than men. A lot. Men also lie of course, but women, my God.

2 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Oh so that explains everything. Good to see the phone made a comeback when needed

Yes, I asked about this as well. She said she's now found a way to keep the phone open and it's much better. It still cut off mid conversation one time. But I didn't even press that point. I'll buy a her new one.

2 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

please admit to yourself that you want her regardless of what she's been up to and are willing to cop what ever she does to have her back

I do want her back, because she's an amazing woman, among the very best out there by personality for sure. Nevertheless, if she cheated, that would be the end.

No relationship can really survive the woman cheating. The resentment, anger, the distrust, all of that would eat away at the relationship. I've been through it. It doesn't work. You can't forgive that. Maybe if you're 85 and you know you have to, but as a young man like myself, it's almost impossible to forgive that.

Of course I did raise this. She was convincingly clear on not having done to me what she did to her Thai ex. And if you think about it, the situation is very different. She wanted to leave the relationship with the Thai ex. She was bored and it wasn't going anywhere. However, in our case, she didn't want to leave our relationship, she was just so upset and angry that I lied about writing to other girls. A different situation.

And her working as a waitress rather illustrates she's not getting 10000 baht from any guy. She's not cheating. Her whole demeanour, her love on the phone, all of it confirmed this.

17 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She's definitely not a prostitute. She's working in a cafe for real now. And she's not in Pattaya, she's in Chonburi City.

If she were a prostitute she wouldn't be working for 300 baht a day in a cafe as a waitress.

You in reality have no idea what she is doing or where she is. You are rationalizing her behavior. You believe everything she tells you which is just silly. There is absolutely no trust between you two. Checking each others phones, checking bank account levels, checking social media accounts, the both of you. Lies all the way around from both of you. Seriously this thread has taken a sad turn now. You seem to think love is based only on money. For me over the last 35 years trust is much more important. Knowing the person you love will always be happily beside you. A mutual commitment.

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I think the interesting thing about cheating, and you're right not all cheat of course, is that nobody is safe.

If Giselle Bundchen cheated on Tom Brady, a handsome celebrity, sports legend and multi-millionaire, then it can happen to anyone and nobody's safe.

All this stuff the gurus tell you, if you are her most attractive option you'll be safe - is nonsense. Tom Brady was BY FAR Giselle Bundchen's most attractive option. He's even better looking than Joaquim. And yet she cheated on Brady.

That's what really gets me.

As far I can read and see by google and AI

That she was unfaithful is accusations without proofs and quite common when women leaving unhealthy marriages

Gisele Bündchen has firmly denied widespread rumors and accusations of being unfaithful to her ex-husband Tom Brady, stating such claims are lies often used to blame women for leaving unhealthy relationships, while Brady has hinted at disagreements over the timeline of her relationship with jiu-jitsu trainer Joaquim Valente, whom she's now dating. Bündchen has said she was blamed for having the "courage to leave an unhealthy relationship" and that her new relationship with Valente, a long-time friend, is transparent and honest.

Source AI

Just now, marin said:

You in reality have no idea what she is doing or where she is

Well, her story checks out, the cafe she first mentioned really is the cafe she's working at. It's a real cafe in Chonburi. She also agreed to send a location link today. She knows I'm very clear about needing this info. I said without it she can't come back. And she agreed to provide it. She wouldn't do that if she couldn't provide it.

1 minute ago, marin said:

There is absolutely no trust between you two.

Obviously at the moment trust has been severely compromised. Due to what she did in the last 10 days. And also what I did. However, our bond is very strong still, also on her side I noticed yesterday. So since she did not cheat. And I also did not cheat. I am confident this can be repaired. I'll show her I won't talk to others again. And she will hopefully not do what she did again.

3 minutes ago, marin said:

s, checking bank account levels, checking social media accounts

Regrettable, yes, but these will be one-off stepping stones to rebuild trust. Extraordinary surgery to repair the wound.

3 minutes ago, marin said:

trust is much more important. Knowing the person you love will always be happily beside you. A mutual commitment.

Trust and commitment is very important. Hard to say which is more important an economic foundation or trust. If you lost all your money and were living in cave, no doubt your wife would have divorced you despite your amazing trust.