2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I'm sick and tired reading about this prostitution fantasy <deleted>e, and pay4play and alll the other nonsense.

She didn't go to the Austrian for money. He played on her pity, and claimed nobody was helping him with his two broken hands. That he needed her. That's why she went there. Not money. She went for pity.

This girl is not a prostitute.

So she gave freebies on Phuket before your first meeting or did she lie about having sex with other guys?

Did you agree to categorise it as revenge sex, as she told you that she imagined that the Austrian had cheated?

You do understand that you won't be able to revise history at this juncture? You can rewrite it in your own head, but not in ours.

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I'm sick and tired reading about this prostitution fantasy <deleted>e, and pay4play and alll the other nonsense.

She didn't go to the Austrian for money. He played on her pity, and claimed nobody was helping him with his two broken hands. That he needed her. That's why she went there. Not money. She went for pity.

This girl is not a prostitute.

Sure, believe what you want to believe.

25 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I'm sick and tired reading about this prostitution fantasy <deleted>e, and pay4play and alll the other nonsense.

She didn't go to the Austrian for money. He played on her pity, and claimed nobody was helping him with his two broken hands. That he needed her. That's why she went there. Not money. She went for pity.

This girl is not a prostitute.

So she repeatedly slept with a fat disgusting pig cripple for fun?

9 hours ago, IsmeUno said:

Not interested in being tied down.

Unless of course the price is right.....

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

You have to admit you have contributed to p4p treads before, and I had and still have the feeling you have quite a general view on women? Remember you have a long history on this forum with many different treads about women of the night, and also some women deserved being abused because of their personality. Tina Turner is one that comes to mind.

Ask him about Taylor Swift - you'll see his real side come out. Vitriolic, hateful, exceptionally misogynitic.

On 2/18/2026 at 3:13 AM, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I'd never dream of looking at the messages on my Wife's phone... nor her mine.

There is no risk to minimise and no control necessary whatsoever in a normal healthy relationship.

True but let has have a hypothetical. You divorce and you meet a girl in her 20's. She's been a bit naughty but is heaps of fun and you want to give it a go. Then how do you guide her towards not getting the rush of instant gratification of social media - where men tell her she's all that and offer money - and towards a more normal relationship that she is not used to.

Obviously watching the girl and her phone 24 7 is doomed to failure and she'll soon hate you or simply get bored. But is there a middle ground where you treat her well and set down rules but without being controlling - to get her to learn to appreciate this form of normal relationship. It's not easy.

Of course in this case the girl - based on available evidence - appears to be happy with a business relationship so she may endure the control in the short term to meet short term ends - cash, a birthday iphone, and a lazy life playing on tik tok.

Agreed - but then one should not be deluding themselves that such a relationship is 'normal' and not based on money.

12 hours ago, Cameroni said:

All you sad sacks stuck in LTRs with over 45s and therefore obsessed with sex workers go away! This thread is not about sex workers.

Live out your prostitute obsession somewhere else.

I realize your lives are shockingly boring, hence you see prostitutes everywhere and are obsessed with them. But this thread has nothing to do with prostitutes. Go away.

Then why did you start a thread about a sex worker ?

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

I'm sick and tired reading about this prostitution fantasy <deleted>e, and pay4play and alll the other nonsense.

She didn't go to the Austrian for money. He played on her pity, and claimed nobody was helping him with his two broken hands. That he needed her. That's why she went there. Not money. She went for pity.

This girl is not a prostitute.

She's a nurse ??? Went there to help him, ended up shagging him because she felt pity...

Is she 'pitying' you on a daily basis too, now ???

How much money have you agreed to ? - now you are back together there must have been more requests for payment - you know... for a new phone, face creams, plastic-surgery... not just payment for sexual services of course - she'd never accept that - after all, she's not one of those brazen hookers..

16 hours ago, Cameroni said:

All you sad sacks stuck in LTRs with over 45s and therefore obsessed with sex workers go away! This thread is not about sex workers.

Live out your prostitute obsession somewhere else.

I realize your lives are shockingly boring, hence you see prostitutes everywhere and are obsessed with them. But this thread has nothing to do with prostitutes. Go away.

Oh I see we are “sad sacks” with “shockingly boring lives” because some of us are in long term relationships with ladies older than 45. Might that be because we have wives/partners we love, trust, respect and care about something you are seriously lacking but obviously yearning for and with what? A ruthless 24 year old P4P chick from PH. Hahaha good luck taming that because you are going to be looking over your shoulder at every turn. Who is she talking to? What’s she doing? Is she going to leave me? Why is she demanding I buy this? What if I don’t will she up and go? Everyday questions running around in your very insecure head Mr Cameroni.

Of course you could always demand to check her phone and bank account/s on a daily basis. That might give you a little respite in the worry stakes or you could go for all out control and buy her an adult sized cage with an electronic locking system so she’s there for you every time you want a slice of that “ amazing sex” you have made regular mentions of.

Not content with controlling her you are now trying to control the narrative in a public website. Many AN members are telling you exactly the way it is with your little princess but you are in complete denial. “She’s not a prostitute” indeed. So what exactly is she then? She’s certainly no angel and fair play to her she has you tucked away in her pocket. A grown man acting completely irrationally, nastiness personified if someone dares to highlight the reality. Your reality.

I will give her the benefit of “your” doubt and say she returned to the Austrian in order to help him. He was incapacitated and needed someone to assist him whilst he healed. That’s not pity that’s the humanitarian thing to do. They are very familiar with each other which helps a great deal I mean he can’t wash his meat and two veg with no hands now can he? I’m sure it was very pleasurable for him (you know the kind of feelings he felt as you’ve bragged about it often enough)to have her by his side in an obvious time of need. Ok there may well have been a financial incentive but I for one am glad she showed a caring side.

So what now for you? A rushed marriage because you think no one else can have her (a foolish move). Buying more of her “love” (pathetic and laughable) with expensive gifts? Firing one into her belly so a baby Cameroni is on its way (that’ll stop her straying- like hell it will). I would suggest you give your big head a very serious wobble. The road ahead could be very turbulent. I would also suggest you cut the nastiness as this whole story pans out as you are making yourself look very naive, insecure and in some cases downright stupid. You’re failure to see what’s right in front of your very eyes will be your downfall. Karma really is a b*tch.

Off of this for the girl with the lips ?

34 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Off of this for the girl with the lips ?

56 minutes ago, Utalk2mutt said:

So what now for you? A rushed marriage because you think no one else can have her

Imagine the collective forum whimpering once this she is taken off the market 🤢 🤮

8 hours ago, Cameroni said:

I'm sick and tired reading about this prostitution fantasy <deleted>e, and pay4play and alll the other nonsense.

She didn't go to the Austrian for money. He played on her pity, and claimed nobody was helping him with his two broken hands. That he needed her. That's why she went there. Not money. She went for pity.

This girl is not a prostitute.

She gave him pity sex for weeks .. and he threw a few dollars her way. Fair enough.

One can interpret events in a serious way, for entertainment value, or to help go onward and upward. If it is fun and worthwhile you don't make huge investments you might regret later then its all good.

7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Then why did you start a thread about a sex worker ?

Because that is what she is . Cameroni is the only one that can not see it for what it is. 100% pay for play girl.

"you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"

• Origin: Recorded in Scottish contexts as early as 1699, it likely originated from the idea that a sow's (pig's) ear is too rough and coarse to become a fine, delicate item like a silk purse.

• Usage: It is often used to describe situations where, no matter how much effort or money is spent, a poor-quality, inherently flawed item, project, or person cannot be improved into something high-quality.

The whole situation is really this simple.

4 hours ago, Utalk2mutt said:

Oh I see we are “sad sacks” with “shockingly boring lives” because some of us are in long term relationships with ladies older than 45.

This thread was fine while like-minded people were talking about dating in a sensible way, however, it is clear that it is now been hijacked by men who are locked into long-term relationships with over 45 year old women stuck in boring lives and obsessed with prostitution, men who have no place to talk on a thread like this, whose only purpose is to salvage their depressing, boring lives, by trying to claim some non-existent moral superiority because they're not with prostitutes, and in turn insult all girls discussed on here as prostitutes which is simply false and inaccurate.

I would suggest that people who pollute this thread with incessant talk of prostitutes and "payforplay" say more about themselves than any girls that are mentioned here. They reveal an obsession with prostitution because their own sex lives are poor and boring, hence their obsession with prostitution. They can't accept other men live better, more interesting, more exciting lives, with younger, far more attractive women and have more enjoyable sex lives and therefore feel the need to denigrate those men and their women. It says more about them in every way.

4 hours ago, Utalk2mutt said:

Might that be because we have wives/partners we love, trust, respect and care about something you are seriously lacking but obviously yearning fo

No, I had a long term rel with a woman who loved me, with trust, respect, care and all the other bs you mentioned, I simply decided it was not for me, because I wanted someone I could also be deeply in love with. If you are ruthlessly honest with yourself, you know deep down inside, that all these men who are in these rels with women over 45 are not deeply in love with these women, yes there's trust, respect, care but not passionate, true love. That is why they are so miserable and feel the need to insult everyone and the need to claim some pathetic non-existent moral superiority, because that's ALL they have. They're stuck with unattractive 45 year old women they do not truly love.

4 hours ago, Utalk2mutt said:

Hahaha good luck taming that because you are going to be looking over your shoulder at every turn. Who is she talking to? What’s she doing? Is she going to leave me? Why is she demanding I buy this? What if I don’t will she up and go? Everyday questions running around in your very insecure head Mr Cameroni.

She sent a text to the Austrian yesterday to tell him she wasn't coming back to PH, that she wanted to end the rel and said goodbye. Then she blocked him. All the other guys on Whatsapp were all deleted, same on Insta. Now, will I check her phone anyway, yes, of course, will I be scared she leaves, yes, I will, will I buy her <deleted>, yes i will. But I'd rather do that and be with a woman I can truly be passionate about, than settle for someone who just loves me but whom I'm not truly in love with.

4 hours ago, Utalk2mutt said:

Of course you could always demand to check her phone and bank account/s on a daily basis. That might give you a little respite in the worry stakes or you could go for all out control and buy her an adult sized cage with an electronic locking system so she’s there for you every time you want a slice of that “ amazing sex” you have made regular mentions of.

Checking the phone once a week is fine. And yes the sex is absolutely amazing.

4 hours ago, Utalk2mutt said:

Not content with controlling her you are now trying to control the narrative in a public website.

No, I'm not. I'm just sick and tired of partaking in the prostitute obsession some feel they need to put on display on this thread. This thread was NEVER about prostitution, p4play girls or sex workers of any kind. All this talk about prostitutes, whores, p4p is all WHOLLY irrelevant.

4 hours ago, Utalk2mutt said:

Many AN members are telling you exactly the way it is with your little princess but you are in complete denial.

Please, they wouldn't know their knees from their elbows and don't even have half the facts. The Austrian is not even Austrian, I merely protected the innocent. How can they "tell me exactly" the way it is when they have 2 percent of the facts? Don't be ridiculous.

4 hours ago, Utalk2mutt said:

So what exactly is she then? She’s certainly no angel

She is not a sex worker. Of any kind. She is a 25 year old who is looking for her best option, and was writing to a lot of guys. Who had a Thai bf for 5 years, and then wanted to try a farang, after 2 years of writing. Then cheated on him, came to live with me. No, she's no angel. She's calculating, and yes she asks for an allowance, but just because she comes from a poor background this doesn't make her a bad person, a prostitute or anything of that kind. She is a generous, loving, exciting, fun and amazsing person. There's no need to fit her into any labels.

4 hours ago, Utalk2mutt said:

I will give her the benefit of “your” doubt and say she returned to the Austrian in order to help him. He was incapacitated and needed someone to assist him whilst he healed. That’s not pity that’s the humanitarian thing to do.

That was a major part of why she went back. They'd lived almost half a year together, they'd pair bonded and cared about each other. So when she was told he needed help she felt pity for him, and she wanted to help. She also thought I was inviting my ex back to my place, that I lied to her etc, which is why she gave up on our rel. Until she realised I was not doing that, and then she was clear she wanted to come back.

4 hours ago, Utalk2mutt said:

So what now for you? A rushed marriage because you think no one else can have her (a foolish move). Buying more of her “love” (pathetic and laughable) with expensive gifts? Firing one into her belly so a baby Cameroni is on its way (that’ll stop her straying- like hell it will). I would suggest you give your big head a very serious wobble. The road ahead could be very turbulent.

So what if the road ahead is turbulent? There's no marriage and no kids on the horizon. Of course I'll get her gifts. But she has BPD, she'll try to sabotage us sooner or later, I'm very well aware of of the turbulence to come. Love always hopes, always protects, always perseveres. Love is patient, love is kind. That's all you can do. Love and hope you can both ride out the turbulence. Maybe we will, maybe we won't.

21 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

This thread was fine while like-minded people were talking about dating in a sensible way, however, it is clear that it is now been hijacked by men who are locked into long-term relationships with over 45 year old women stuck in boring lives and obsessed with prostitution, men who have no place to talk on a thread like this, whose only purpose is to salvage their depressing, boring lives, by trying to claim some non-existent moral superiority because they're not with prostitutes, and in turn insult all girls discussed on here as prostitutes which is simply false and inaccurate.

I would suggest that people who pollute this thread with incessant talk of prostitutes and "payforplay" say more about themselves than any girls that are mentioned here. They reveal an obsession with prostitution because their own sex lives are poor and boring, hence their obsession with prostitution. They can't accept other men live better, more interesting, more exciting lives, with younger, far more attractive women and have more enjoyable sex lives and therefore feel the need to denigrate those men and their women. It says more about them in every way.

No, I had a long term rel with a woman who loved me, with trust, respect, care and all the other bs you mentioned, I simply decided it was not for me, because I wanted someone I could also be deeply in love with. If you are ruthlessly honest with yourself, you know deep down inside, that all these men who are in these rels with women over 45 are not deeply in love with these women, yes there's trust, respect, care but not passionate, true love. That is why they are so miserable and feel the need to insult everyone and the need to claim some pathetic non-existent moral superiority, because that's ALL they have. They're stuck with unattractive 45 year old women they do not truly love.

She sent a text to the Austrian yesterday to tell him she wasn't coming back to PH, that she wanted to end the rel and said goodbye. Then she blocked him. All the other guys on Whatsapp were all deleted, same on Insta. Now, will I check her phone anyway, yes, of course, will I be scared she leaves, yes, I will, will I buy her <deleted>, yes i will. But I'd rather do that and be with a woman I can truly be passionate about, than settle for someone who just loves me but whom I'm not truly in love with.

Checking the phone once a week is fine. And yes the sex is absolutely amazing.

No, I'm not. I'm just sick and tired of partaking in the prostitute obsession some feel they need to put on display on this thread. This thread was NEVER about prostitution, p4play girls or sex workers of any kind. All this talk about prostitutes, whores, p4p is all WHOLLY irrelevant.

Please, they wouldn't know their knees from their elbows and don't even have half the facts. The Austrian is not even Austrian, I merely protected the innocent. How can they "tell me exactly" the way it is when they have 2 percent of the facts? Don't be ridiculous.

She is not a sex worker. Of any kind. She is a 25 year old who is looking for her best option, and was writing to a lot of guys. Who had a Thai bf for 5 years, and then wanted to try a farang, after 2 years of writing. Then cheated on him, came to live with me. No, she's no angel. She's calculating, and yes she asks for an allowance, but just because she comes from a poor background this doesn't make her a bad person, a prostitute or anything of that kind. She is a generous, loving, exciting, fun and amazsing person. There's no need to fit her into any labels.

That was a major part of why she went back. They'd lived almost half a year together, they'd pair bonded and cared about each other. So when she was told he needed help she felt pity for him, and she wanted to help. She also thought I was inviting my ex back to my place, that I lied to her etc, which is why she gave up on our rel. Until she realised I was not doing that, and then she was clear she wanted to come back.

So what if the road ahead is turbulent? There's no marriage and no kids on the horizon. Of course I'll get her gifts. But she has BPD, she'll try to sabotage us sooner or later, I'm very well aware of of the turbulence to come. Love always hopes, always protects, always perseveres. Love is patient, love is kind. That's all you can do. Love and hope you can both ride out the turbulence. Maybe we will, maybe we won't.

There are a lot of assumptions made on this forum, mostly by the same few. Yes, we don't know all of this story as we aren't living it. All we can go by is what you've said. Many of us here are with attractive women over 45 (mine is 44), and I myself love her and have for over 4 years. The sex is great, she's a great cook, funny, and very intelligent, working for the government here. My ex was very pretty, with a small, tight body, but she turned out to be a mental case, so it wasn't worth the trouble besides a daughter being born. Best looking woman in our village at that time, although her diabetes the last few years is taking it's toll.

A woman that's 24 isn't definitely more attractive than a 45 year old, especially if the 45 year old has both good genes and takes care of herself. There are countless 20+ year olds that are fine now but in 10 years will lose it because they depended on that young age to see them through. I have been with, and seen, countless 40-50 year old women, both here and back in the states, that were stunners, with hard bodies and smooth skin, and countless younger ones who were falling apart while still under 30, as has everyone else here.

Yes, most men in this country give their wives money, either allowing them to withdraw from a joint account or just handing them cash to do whatever with, and that whatever usually means buying food and clothes for both partners. Yes, there are cases of men paying for everything and getting used, but if that's what they're okay with, it's no one's business, especially if hes happy.

This girl might not be the standard prostitute, who just works directly cash for sex, but she's definitely going with a few and getting cash from them, which is why she's getting that label. You yourself have told how she isn't being honest, so the reason you're with her obviously is sex. You might call it love, but you really don't know how she feels, as saying you love someone, especially in Thailand, isn't the same as in the west. Women here have been programmed to use any lines they hear or can think of to acquire more cash than if they tried with local men. Whether she has a better deal with you or the other guy, Austrian or whatever he is, will pan out, as will how long she eventually stays with you.

No, it's never okay to check another's phone, unless you really suspect cheating. Trust is necessary if you want her to also trust you, and if you check up on her that will piss her off like it does most women. A cheater will always expose themselves eventually, and again you have to ask yourself what you are looking for in a relationship in this country.

If you just want a young body to have fun with, and are willing to put out a little cash, then accept that's all it will ever be, and be honest with yourself, along with others here. If you just stuck to your original story you wouldn't get so many negative replies as these are all adults here who have a ton of experience with all types of girls and women. Some have tried to help you, maybe seeing things unbiased from the outside you can't while you're in the game. remember her own words,.............................."This is the first time a Thai girl has literally told me to my face "I want to ride the carousel, yes I'll come have fun with you, but don't have any hopes that I'll stay with you, because I intend to just have fun and ride the carousel until I'm ready to be tied down".

Lastly, when you stop calling the other man Pigman is when your jealousy ends, as it's really not a competition anyway. It's up to the woman to choose who she wants to be with, money or not.

53 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You yourself have told how she isn't being honest, so the reason you're with her obviously is sex.

No, it's not. Whilst the sex is great, and I love her physically, I love her personality and character.

54 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You might call it love, but you really don't know how she feels

I have a better idea than anyone on here.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

No, it's not. Whilst the sex is great, and I love her physically, I love her personality and character.

I have a better idea than anyone on here.

True, as I said we aren't living your life but only going by what you've said all along.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

She is a 25 year old who is looking for her best option…

I agree, fair enough, but I think this puts quite a bit of pressure on you to appear as best option. How long can you keep this up? Where are the financial red lines?

for your objective situation it makes very little difference how PG is labelled. A girl has to live from something if not having rich parents or a job and often enough there is no clear line between “looking for options” and “prostitution” in Asia.

Fair enough to give a chance for a clean new start.

But please don’t jump from a balcony in case she decides to check out alternative options.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

This thread was fine while like-minded people were talking about dating in a sensible way, however, it is clear that it is now been hijacked by men who are locked into long-term relationships with over 45 year old women stuck in boring lives and obsessed with prostitution, men who have no place to talk on a thread like this, whose only purpose is to salvage their depressing, boring lives, by trying to claim some non-existent moral superiority because they're not with prostitutes, and in turn insult all girls discussed on here as prostitutes which is simply false and inaccurate.

I would suggest that people who pollute this thread with incessant talk of prostitutes and "payforplay" say more about themselves than any girls that are mentioned here. They reveal an obsession with prostitution because their own sex lives are poor and boring, hence their obsession with prostitution. They can't accept other men live better, more interesting, more exciting lives, with younger, far more attractive women and have more enjoyable sex lives and therefore feel the need to denigrate those men and their women. It says more about them in every way.

No, I had a long term rel with a woman who loved me, with trust, respect, care and all the other bs you mentioned, I simply decided it was not for me, because I wanted someone I could also be deeply in love with. If you are ruthlessly honest with yourself, you know deep down inside, that all these men who are in these rels with women over 45 are not deeply in love with these women, yes there's trust, respect, care but not passionate, true love. That is why they are so miserable and feel the need to insult everyone and the need to claim some pathetic non-existent moral superiority, because that's ALL they have. They're stuck with unattractive 45 year old women they do not truly love.

She sent a text to the Austrian yesterday to tell him she wasn't coming back to PH, that she wanted to end the rel and said goodbye. Then she blocked him. All the other guys on Whatsapp were all deleted, same on Insta. Now, will I check her phone anyway, yes, of course, will I be scared she leaves, yes, I will, will I buy her <deleted>, yes i will. But I'd rather do that and be with a woman I can truly be passionate about, than settle for someone who just loves me but whom I'm not truly in love with.

Checking the phone once a week is fine. And yes the sex is absolutely amazing.

No, I'm not. I'm just sick and tired of partaking in the prostitute obsession some feel they need to put on display on this thread. This thread was NEVER about prostitution, p4play girls or sex workers of any kind. All this talk about prostitutes, whores, p4p is all WHOLLY irrelevant.

Please, they wouldn't know their knees from their elbows and don't even have half the facts. The Austrian is not even Austrian, I merely protected the innocent. How can they "tell me exactly" the way it is when they have 2 percent of the facts? Don't be ridiculous.

She is not a sex worker. Of any kind. She is a 25 year old who is looking for her best option, and was writing to a lot of guys. Who had a Thai bf for 5 years, and then wanted to try a farang, after 2 years of writing. Then cheated on him, came to live with me. No, she's no angel. She's calculating, and yes she asks for an allowance, but just because she comes from a poor background this doesn't make her a bad person, a prostitute or anything of that kind. She is a generous, loving, exciting, fun and amazsing person. There's no need to fit her into any labels.

That was a major part of why she went back. They'd lived almost half a year together, they'd pair bonded and cared about each other. So when she was told he needed help she felt pity for him, and she wanted to help. She also thought I was inviting my ex back to my place, that I lied to her etc, which is why she gave up on our rel. Until she realised I was not doing that, and then she was clear she wanted to come back.

So what if the road ahead is turbulent? There's no marriage and no kids on the horizon. Of course I'll get her gifts. But she has BPD, she'll try to sabotage us sooner or later, I'm very well aware of of the turbulence to come. Love always hopes, always protects, always perseveres. Love is patient, love is kind. That's all you can do. Love and hope you can both ride out the turbulence. Maybe we will, maybe we won't.

Dizzy after reading that well written but insane post. You can't be real and not see all the contradictions in the above nonsense.

You don't want us to put labels on her but you flippantly do on us. I think you are insecure and having troubles with managing your lust and mistake this pleasure hunt as meaningful. It isn't and will vanish soon enough leaving you looking for the next high.

As for all 45 year-olds being ugly and unattractive, that is simply childish. My older wife is so much more beautiful than your 25 year old and it isn't even close. Just because your ego needs a hot 25 year old doesn't validate the mature women are unattractive.

I could easily be with a 25 year old and roughly the same age as you and not a chance you are in the physical shape I am. Like you, I'm a good talker that women seem to like. You aren't that unique and think because you are in Thailand where you can buy love young girls attention, impossible at USA prices, you think you are special.

I sincerely enjoy your writing style but you need to chill and stop the blanket labelling of others.

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

This thread was fine while like-minded people were talking about dating in a sensible way, however, it is clear that it is now been hijacked by men who are locked into long-term relationships with over 45 year old women stuck in boring lives and obsessed with prostitution, men who have no place to talk on a thread like this, whose only purpose is to salvage their depressing, boring lives, by trying to claim some non-existent moral superiority because they're not with prostitutes, and in turn insult all girls discussed on here as prostitutes which is simply false and inaccurate.

You thought the thread was “fine” when it was an echo chamber. The moment someone questioned the narrative, you argue it became “hijacked" - it was never hijacked - everyone (most people) have remained very 'on topic' its just that you don't understand that the topic, the subject matter, the the subjects and behavior all clearly revert back to a type your ego is refusing to accept.

Blaming “boring men over 45” in long-term relationships is a convenient caricature. It’s easier to invent a cast of sexually frustrated, morally posturing dullards than to address the substance of what’s being said. When arguments start wobbling, mock the demographic - thats where your character falls apart.

Disagreeing with you isn’t moral superiority or sexual jealousy. It’s simply refusing to applaud while you rebrand a financial arrangement as a love story.

If scrutiny is feeling like sabotage, that says more about the fragility of the position than the people questioning it.

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

I would suggest that people who pollute this thread with incessant talk of prostitutes and "payforplay" say more about themselves than any girls that are mentioned here. They reveal an obsession with prostitution because their own sex lives are poor and boring, hence their obsession with prostitution. They can't accept other men live better, more interesting, more exciting lives, with younger, far more attractive women and have more enjoyable sex lives and therefore feel the need to denigrate those men and their women. It says more about them in every way.

Calling it “obsession” doesn’t erase the financial structure.. it just avoids addressing it.

Dismissing critics as jealous is easier than engaging with the facts.

No one needs a dull sex life to recognise the transactional dynamic you present.

If scrutiny feels uncomfortable and you want to twist that into envy, perhaps your narrative isn’t as solid as you think - its very very shaky - only you can't see that.

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

No, I had a long term rel with a woman who loved me, with trust, respect, care and all the other bs you mentioned, I simply decided it was not for me, because I wanted someone I could also be deeply in love with. If you are ruthlessly honest with yourself, you know deep down inside, that all these men who are in these rels with women over 45 are not deeply in love with these women, yes there's trust, respect, care but not passionate, true love. That is why they are so miserable and feel the need to insult everyone and the need to claim some pathetic non-existent moral superiority, because that's ALL they have. They're stuck with unattractive 45 year old women they do not truly love.

She sent a text to the Austrian yesterday to tell him she wasn't coming back to PH, that she wanted to end the rel and said goodbye. Then she blocked him. All the other guys on Whatsapp were all deleted, same on Insta. Now, will I check her phone anyway, yes, of course, will I be scared she leaves, yes, I will, will I buy her <deleted>, yes i will. But I'd rather do that and be with a woman I can truly be passionate about, than settle for someone who just loves me but whom I'm not truly in love with.

Projecting your own restlessness onto every stable relationship doesn’t make it universal truth. Passion isn’t measured by age gaps or turbulence. Sometimes it’s measured by trust - the one thing you openly admit you don’t have.

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Checking the phone once a week is fine. And yes the sex is absolutely amazing.

Publicly announcing that you will still check her phone weekly, fear she’ll leave, and continue buying her gifts is not a flex. It’s an admission of permanent anxiety wrapped in bravado. If exclusivity requires surveillance, it isn’t stability.

When your defensiveness reduces to “the sex is amazing”, its because the structural arguments aren’t holding up.

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

No, I'm not. I'm just sick and tired of partaking in the prostitute obsession some feel they need to put on display on this thread. This thread was NEVER about prostitution, p4play girls or sex workers of any kind. All this talk about prostitutes, whores, p4p is all WHOLLY irrelevant.

If money, allowances, gifts, negotiations, and replacement candidates are part of the story, then the financial component is inherently relevant. Removing the word doesn’t remove the economics or the facts.

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Please, they wouldn't know their knees from their elbows and don't even have half the facts. The Austrian is not even Austrian, I merely protected the innocent. How can they "tell me exactly" the way it is when they have 2 percent of the facts? Don't be ridiculous.

You’re right - we only have what you chose to share. The irony is that even the curated version raises eyebrows. If this is the controlled narrative, one wonders what the unfiltered version looks like.

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

She is not a sex worker. Of any kind. She is a 25 year old who is looking for her best option, and was writing to a lot of guys. Who had a Thai bf for 5 years, and then wanted to try a farang, after 2 years of writing. Then cheated on him, came to live with me. No, she's no angel. She's calculating, and yes she asks for an allowance, but just because she comes from a poor background this doesn't make her a bad person, a prostitute or anything of that kind. She is a generous, loving, exciting, fun and amazsing person. There's no need to fit her into any labels.

No one is condemning poverty. The issue is consistency.

When financial support is a condition of romantic continuity, the arrangement is transactional. That’s not moral judgement - that’s simple pattern recognition.

What’s falling under scrutiny here isn’t even the relationship itself. It’s your attempt to normalise it and compare it to conventional relationships. That’s where the delusion lies, and that’s what keeps being highlighted in this thread.

It’s not about her behaviour. It’s about yours.

When you suggest your arrangement mirrors the kind of relationships our parents and families built, those of us in normal long term relationships not based on financial basis - mutual commitment, shared foundation, stability without negotiation - that’s where it collapses. Your relationship is nothing like that and given your comments in throughout the thread - it cannot be dressed up not matter how much you try - its purely mercenary.

Yours is a relationship built on transaction first and foremost, however you try to polish it. And the uncomfortable reality is simple: she has been with other men, under a financial structure, her condition of meeting them and you, has been based on a financial structure. The moment that structure disappears, so does she.

That’s not cruelty, that’s the risk baked into the design of 'your' relationship.

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

That was a major part of why she went back. They'd lived almost half a year together, they'd pair bonded and cared about each other. So when she was told he needed help she felt pity for him, and she wanted to help. She also thought I was inviting my ex back to my place, that I lied to her etc, which is why she gave up on our rel. Until she realised I was not doing that, and then she was clear she wanted to come back.

Every reversal in the story seems to come with a sympathetic justification. At some point, a pattern stops being a misunderstanding and starts being behaviour - inherently p4p.

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

So what if the road ahead is turbulent? There's no marriage and no kids on the horizon. Of course I'll get her gifts. But she has BPD, she'll try to sabotage us sooner or later, I'm very well aware of of the turbulence to come. Love always hopes, always protects, always perseveres. Love is patient, love is kind. That's all you can do. Love and hope you can both ride out the turbulence. Maybe we will, maybe we won't.

There’s a difference between romantic turbulence and structural instability. Planning for sabotage while quoting scripture about love isn’t resilience - it’s pre-emptive damage control - you are scared because you know exactly what she is, exactly why she is with you and your ego simply deludes you.

- You will check the phone.
- You will fear she leaves.
- You will keep paying.

That’s not moral superiority... That’s anxiety with a monthly invoice.

You argue that she has BPD - thats not medically diagnosed, that your 'excuse' for her behavior, your interpretation because you are unable to face the reality, her behavior is not her sabotaging love - the reality is she is just 'not that into you' and will choose financial resources over you.

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You thought the thread was “fine” when it was an echo chamber. The moment someone questioned the narrative, you argue it became “hijacked" - it was never hijacked - everyone (most people) have remained very 'on topic' its just that you don't understand that the topic, the subject matter, the the subjects and behavior all clearly revert back to a type your ego is refusing to accept.

Blaming “boring men over 45” in long-term relationships is a convenient caricature. It’s easier to invent a cast of sexually frustrated, morally posturing dullards than to address the substance of what’s being said. When arguments start wobbling, mock the demographic - thats where your character falls apart.

Disagreeing with you isn’t moral superiority or sexual jealousy. It’s simply refusing to applaud while you rebrand a financial arrangement as a love story.

If scrutiny is feeling like sabotage, that says more about the fragility of the position than the people questioning it.

Calling it “obsession” doesn’t erase the financial structure.. it just avoids addressing it.

Dismissing critics as jealous is easier than engaging with the facts.

No one needs a dull sex life to recognise the transactional dynamic you present.

If scrutiny feels uncomfortable and you want to twist that into envy, perhaps your narrative isn’t as solid as you think - its very very shaky - only you can't see that.

Projecting your own restlessness onto every stable relationship doesn’t make it universal truth. Passion isn’t measured by age gaps or turbulence. Sometimes it’s measured by trust - the one thing you openly admit you don’t have.

Publicly announcing that you will still check her phone weekly, fear she’ll leave, and continue buying her gifts is not a flex. It’s an admission of permanent anxiety wrapped in bravado. If exclusivity requires surveillance, it isn’t stability.

When your defensiveness reduces to “the sex is amazing”, its because the structural arguments aren’t holding up.

If money, allowances, gifts, negotiations, and replacement candidates are part of the story, then the financial component is inherently relevant. Removing the word doesn’t remove the economics or the facts.

You’re right - we only have what you chose to share. The irony is that even the curated version raises eyebrows. If this is the controlled narrative, one wonders what the unfiltered version looks like.

No one is condemning poverty. The issue is consistency.

When financial support is a condition of romantic continuity, the arrangement is transactional. That’s not moral judgement - that’s simple pattern recognition.

What’s falling under scrutiny here isn’t even the relationship itself. It’s your attempt to normalise it and compare it to conventional relationships. That’s where the delusion lies, and that’s what keeps being highlighted in this thread.

It’s not about her behaviour. It’s about yours.

When you suggest your arrangement mirrors the kind of relationships our parents and families built, those of us in normal long term relationships not based on financial basis - mutual commitment, shared foundation, stability without negotiation - that’s where it collapses. Your relationship is nothing like that and given your comments in throughout the thread - it cannot be dressed up not matter how much you try - its purely mercenary.

Yours is a relationship built on transaction first and foremost, however you try to polish it. And the uncomfortable reality is simple: she has been with other men, under a financial structure, her condition of meeting them and you, has been based on a financial structure. The moment that structure disappears, so does she.

That’s not cruelty, that’s the risk baked into the design of 'your' relationship.

Every reversal in the story seems to come with a sympathetic justification. At some point, a pattern stops being a misunderstanding and starts being behaviour - inherently p4p.

There’s a difference between romantic turbulence and structural instability. Planning for sabotage while quoting scripture about love isn’t resilience - it’s pre-emptive damage control - you are scared because you know exactly what she is, exactly why she is with you and your ego simply deludes you.

- You will check the phone.
- You will fear she leaves.
- You will keep paying.

That’s not moral superiority... That’s anxiety with a monthly invoice.

You argue that she has BPD - thats not medically diagnosed, that your 'excuse' for her behavior, your interpretation because you are unable to face the reality, her behavior is not her sabotaging love - the reality is she is just 'not that into you' and will choose financial resources over you.

He seems like a decent guy with a huge ego. I still think much of what he is posting is fiction because it is hard grasp that a 55 yo is this emotionally insecure. One of the first threads he made years ago here at AN was almost identical to this thread. He needed the ego boost I assume and started this almost exact thread with a slightly different title.

He has been repeatedly cheated on by Asian "girls" by his admission. His ego ignores this fact and convinces him he is more special than all the other guys which is bizarre. He is determined to zone in on young girls that are needy and tries to transform them into mature women with zero success. He has to teach them how to have sex, how to cook, how to clean... He has told us all about their deficiencies.

As far as I can tell, every girl he has been with on this continent is working other guys while with him. He knows it and demands to see their phones. Creepy and in my worst moment, I can't imagine I would ever do this even one time.

Originally I found him interesting and I still think he has a great sense of humor. I don't dislike him but his behaviour is pathetic and the last few weeks many of his posts are becoming offensive.

1 hour ago, atpeace said:

I don't dislike him but his behaviour is pathetic and the last few weeks many of his posts are becoming offensive.

It’s the future stress in realising she might not be that into him. He takes it out on others by being generally nasty I mean laughing(comparing) at the size of the might be Austrian might not be Austrian guys appendage to bolster his ego says it all. He genuinely got off on seeing the guys manhood and its size and then ridiculed him by shouting I’m effing her now she’s with me wow what a win. Juvenile behaviour at its finest and he expected some in here to laugh along with him. Personally I think the guy needs to get a grip he’s all over the place.

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

hijacked by men who are locked into long-term relationships with over 45 year old women stuck in boring lives

There is nothing more boring than an old man coming to Thailand and hooking up with a 25 year old ugly p4p.

Trust me in this, no one who posted this thread would shag her even if they were getting paid

MELTDOWN

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You thought the thread was “fine” when it was an echo chamber. The moment someone questioned the narrative, you argue it became “hijacked" - it was never hijacked - everyone (most people) have remained very 'on topic' its just that you don't understand that the topic, the subject matter, the the subjects and behavior all clearly revert back to a type your ego is refusing to accept.

Blaming “boring men over 45” in long-term relationships is a convenient caricature. It’s easier to invent a cast of sexually frustrated, morally posturing dullards than to address the substance of what’s being said. When arguments start wobbling, mock the demographic - thats where your character falls apart.

Disagreeing with you isn’t moral superiority or sexual jealousy. It’s simply refusing to applaud while you rebrand a financial arrangement as a love story.

If scrutiny is feeling like sabotage, that says more about the fragility of the position than the people questioning it.

Calling it “obsession” doesn’t erase the financial structure.. it just avoids addressing it.

Dismissing critics as jealous is easier than engaging with the facts.

No one needs a dull sex life to recognise the transactional dynamic you present.

If scrutiny feels uncomfortable and you want to twist that into envy, perhaps your narrative isn’t as solid as you think - its very very shaky - only you can't see that.

Projecting your own restlessness onto every stable relationship doesn’t make it universal truth. Passion isn’t measured by age gaps or turbulence. Sometimes it’s measured by trust - the one thing you openly admit you don’t have.

Publicly announcing that you will still check her phone weekly, fear she’ll leave, and continue buying her gifts is not a flex. It’s an admission of permanent anxiety wrapped in bravado. If exclusivity requires surveillance, it isn’t stability.

When your defensiveness reduces to “the sex is amazing”, its because the structural arguments aren’t holding up.

If money, allowances, gifts, negotiations, and replacement candidates are part of the story, then the financial component is inherently relevant. Removing the word doesn’t remove the economics or the facts.

You’re right - we only have what you chose to share. The irony is that even the curated version raises eyebrows. If this is the controlled narrative, one wonders what the unfiltered version looks like.

No one is condemning poverty. The issue is consistency.

When financial support is a condition of romantic continuity, the arrangement is transactional. That’s not moral judgement - that’s simple pattern recognition.

What’s falling under scrutiny here isn’t even the relationship itself. It’s your attempt to normalise it and compare it to conventional relationships. That’s where the delusion lies, and that’s what keeps being highlighted in this thread.

It’s not about her behaviour. It’s about yours.

When you suggest your arrangement mirrors the kind of relationships our parents and families built, those of us in normal long term relationships not based on financial basis - mutual commitment, shared foundation, stability without negotiation - that’s where it collapses. Your relationship is nothing like that and given your comments in throughout the thread - it cannot be dressed up not matter how much you try - its purely mercenary.

Yours is a relationship built on transaction first and foremost, however you try to polish it. And the uncomfortable reality is simple: she has been with other men, under a financial structure, her condition of meeting them and you, has been based on a financial structure. The moment that structure disappears, so does she.

That’s not cruelty, that’s the risk baked into the design of 'your' relationship.

Every reversal in the story seems to come with a sympathetic justification. At some point, a pattern stops being a misunderstanding and starts being behaviour - inherently p4p.

There’s a difference between romantic turbulence and structural instability. Planning for sabotage while quoting scripture about love isn’t resilience - it’s pre-emptive damage control - you are scared because you know exactly what she is, exactly why she is with you and your ego simply deludes you.

- You will check the phone.
- You will fear she leaves.
- You will keep paying.

That’s not moral superiority... That’s anxiety with a monthly invoice.

You argue that she has BPD - thats not medically diagnosed, that your 'excuse' for her behavior, your interpretation because you are unable to face the reality, her behavior is not her sabotaging love - the reality is she is just 'not that into you' and will choose financial resources over you.

Wow, that was brilliantly put together, broken down into components, each dissected and answered with a clear explanation and compelling reply.

You are doing all the hard work for the rest of us. 👍

It is so very clear what is going on, we can see it so clearly but Cannelloni will still try and break down your reply and ignore reality, or counter attack by saying we are the ones with the problem, when it is so clear to see what is going on.

He is also assuming the girl has only one mobile phone as she has lied in so many different ways according to the author of this blog.

And the simple fact we know a 25 year old can never be attracted to someone old enough to be her father, that we could also go and hire such a girl at the drop of a hat, there is no skill, personality in doing that, a full wallet and an ATM card and a banking app is the only items we or anyone else need to possess.

I am still not sure if any of this story is true or he is taking the pisssssss, but in any case it is good to drop in now and then to see what the latest situation is as I find it funny and unique.

If he really is a lawyer (which I doubt due to his inconsistent arguments) and decided to defend himself in court due to a speeding ticket he would pissss the judge off due to his evidence moving rapidly "to and fro", he might even accuse the judge of being miserable and delusional, the judge would end up totally confused by dishing out a jail sentence of 20 years for murder. 😃

On 2/19/2026 at 6:21 PM, Cameroni said:

This girl is not a prostitute.

She sounds.... special. 🤣

10 hours ago, Utalk2mutt said:

It’s the future stress in realising she might not be that into him. He takes it out on others by being generally nasty I mean laughing(comparing) at the size of the might be Austrian might not be Austrian guys appendage to bolster his ego says it all. He genuinely got off on seeing the guys manhood and its size and then ridiculed him by shouting I’m effing her now she’s with me wow what a win. Juvenile behaviour at its finest and he expected some in here to laugh along with him. Personally I think the guy needs to get a grip he’s all over the place.

He did this also in the PH (can't spell :) with the same results as Thailand. He is becoming increasingly erratic which is a concern I guess. Karma can be a bitchhh. He uses them and they use him with such ease because of his humongous ego. I really think he could keep the "girls" if he was able to spend the 30-60k that would keep them from looking for other punters but I can't grasp the appeal. He demands to look at all the girls phones which I'm sure causes them to lose any respect they may have had at the beginning. Cowardly...

1 hour ago, atpeace said:

He did this also in the PH (can't spell :) with the same results as Thailand. He is becoming increasingly erratic which is a concern I guess. Karma can be a bitchhh. He uses them and they use him with such ease because of his humongous ego. I really think he could keep the "girls" if he was able to spend the 30-60k that would keep them from looking for other punters but I can't grasp the appeal. He demands to look at all the girls phones which I'm sure causes them to lose any respect they may have had at the beginning. Cowardly...

Yes,he keeps telling all and sundry he is a lawyer ,but i think not. The way he writes and talks onhre ,he comes across as a boorish bully that cannot cotrol his ego. She is so obviously a pay for play tart,yet cameroni is he only one that cannot see it. hahahaha, what a lose r he really is.

22 hours ago, mangkut70 said:

I agree, fair enough, but I think this puts quite a bit of pressure on you to appear as best option. How long can you keep this up? Where are the financial red lines?

for your objective situation it makes very little difference how PG is labelled. A girl has to live from something if not having rich parents or a job and often enough there is no clear line between “looking for options” and “prostitution” in Asia.

Fair enough to give a chance for a clean new start.

But please don’t jump from a balcony in case she decides to check out alternative options.

Yah, I know it's an almost unwinnable position. Because she's not just looking to make a living. She wants an iphone, to pay all the bills on her mother's side, etc etc, her demands are not exactly modest.

She's 25. She knows she gorgeous, funny and has guys lining up. If she doesn't get what she wants she'll roll the dice, I'm quite sure.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Yah, I know it's an almost unwinnable position. Because she's not just looking to make a living. She wants an iphone, to pay all the bills on her mother's side, etc etc, her demands are not exactly modest.

She's 25. She knows she gorgeous, funny and has guys lining up. If she doesn't get what she wants she'll roll the dice, I'm quite sure.

That's someone who is selling herself for gifts and money. What do you call that? Is that being in love with you for you?

She's a 'ho' and you are her 'john' 😊 It's just you trying to dress it up nicely. I'm sure there are people here from poor families, whose mothers did not turn to whoring. Being poor is not an excuse, you need a certain character.