9 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

This is a real genocide.
60,000 dead Christians. 19,000 churches burned. 3.3 million displaced.
Trump’s threat is the first time a world leader has said: “Enough.”

It’s not phony.
It’s 16 years of blood — and finally, someone’s doing something about it.

I do not doubt the cruelty of Boko Haram, but it is not up to the American military to intervene in a local dispute. The Christian aspect is a red herring and the goal has nothing to do with protecting African people.

 

Nigeria has been actively suppressing Boko Haram for 20 years and has mostly succeeded. They do not require US help after the fact, any more than LAPD needs help monitoring frog cosplayers.

 

Trump is lying to the gullible again.

Trump should urgently send his military to Thailand, because there is a everyday massacre of chickens in Thailand. Some nuclear bombs might solve the problem.

1 hour ago, Alan Zweibel said:

What don't you understand about the fact that in the Mideast and in Spain Muslims and Christians lived in harmony for centuries. It was only in the 20th century that things started to go south. So tell me, is there a new version of the Quran that was published a 100 or so years ago that changed everything?

And let's say for the sake of argument that there was nothing in the Jewish or Christian bibles endorsing violence against those who held other beliefs. How did that work out in practice?

No. That is your revisionist history. Things did not go wrong ONLY in the 20th century. The persecution of non muslims by muslims is an established historical fact. You are regurgitating the  propaganda that the same people who invented the term "religion of peace", without concern for historical accuracy, have tried to disseminate.  You have accepted the falsehood just as the transgenders who march in support of Hamas do.

 

Are you really going to deny the long  violent persecution of  non muslims? What do you think the  muslims were doing in SE Asia as they rampaged through India and beyond from 800 for  centuries destroying Hindu and Buddhist temples and forcing conversions? Have you never heard of the Campaign of Terror waged by Timur? He  undertook an ethnic cleansing of  Christians from Iraq, and Syria.

The Ottoman Empire was not a benevolent  state. It ruled for centuries  subjugating much of Eastern Europe and the Middle east. It's atrocities against the Balkans, Romania, and Bulgaria as well as the Christians of Egypt, Israel, and Syria are well documented. Churches were  destroyed. Christians were enslaved.

 Who invaded Spain and declared a caliphate?  The radical groups who ran amuck in North Africa from the 1700's were savage in their treatment of Christians.

 

Are you discounting the suffering of the aforementioned regions because they are not not primarily white and European? Your views betray the imagined world of an elitist colonial descendant who's arrogance holds that the world revolves around the western white man. How smug and how wrong.  People of colour   are human beings and have rights too.  When England  sought to stop slavery in the early 1800's, the slave trade was still going strong in muslim Africa and the arab world. Non muslim Africans were captured and sold into bondage. This was allowed and encouraged in the muslim world. The Christian social activists who led the fight against slavery and who sought to educate  women and the poor were persecuted for their social justice views.

 

Please do not offer the deceitful propaganda of the  muslim image machine as a new  truth.

26 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

If that is your argument, then Trump should take military action against North Korea which is the country with the most severe persecution of Christain in the world. Christainity is a major crime and considered as an existential threat in North Korea. This is performative to placate Trump's christian base which is fracturing. 

North Korea

50,000 Christians in gulags

Zero churches

No one to bomb (Kim’s nukes would hit Seoul in 7 minutes)

Nigeria

60,000 Christians slaughtered in the open

19,000 churches burned

Terror camps you can strike without starting WW3

Trump’s base
Already 85 % locked in; this isn’t a rally stunt, it’s a 48-hour DoD order.

Bottom line:
NK = fortress you can’t touch.
Nigeria = bleeding wound you can cauterize today.
That’s why he’s moving. Not theater. Math.

20 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

I do not doubt the cruelty of Boko Haram, but it is not up to the American military to intervene in a local dispute. The Christian aspect is a red herring and the goal has nothing to do with protecting African people.

 

Nigeria has been actively suppressing Boko Haram for 20 years and has mostly succeeded. They do not require US help after the fact, any more than LAPD needs help monitoring frog cosplayers.

 

Trump is lying to the gullible again.

 

There is a real and horrible treatment of  Nigeria's christians which have worsened over time.  Open Door, the  humanitarian  group which advocates on behalf of oppressed Christians has provided data  that supports its position that of  the Christians who are killed because of their faith, almost 80% of the victims are in Nigeria.

 

It is not just Boko Haram. The Open Doors  country report states that Christians in northern Nigeria, especially in the states that follow strict interpretation of Sharia, face discrimination and exclusion as second-class citizens. In recent years, violence has increased and spilled into southern states, which heightens the sense of insecurity and the level of impunity. Former President Buhari positioned Muslims in the most important government roles, which has made it harder for Christians who have suffered human rights violations to speak out. Current President Tinubu has partially reversed this trend. Attacked Christian communities are often abandoned by the security forces, which are under federal command. Religiously-motivated violence is taking place against a backdrop of climate change and environmental degradation, pushing the Fulani herdsmen and their cattle southwards and putting additional stress on herder-farmer relationships. Particularly worrying are two new trends. Firstly, a new jihadist terror group, “Lakurawa”, has emerged in the North West, armed with advanced weaponry and a radical Islamist agenda. Lakurawa is affiliated with the expansionist Al-Qaeda insurgency Jama’a Nusrat ul-Islam wa al-Muslimin originating in Mali and is referred to as JNIM. Secondly, reports have surfaced about the emergence of a unified ISWAP-Boko Haram front. According to a Nigerian security analyst, it seems to confirm an ongoing alliance between jihadist groups in the Sahel.

 

So when Bin Liner reffered to the " crusading armies ' he was not so far out of touch with reality on
that one .

2 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

No. That is your revisionist history. Things did not go wrong ONLY in the 20th century. The persecution of non muslims by muslims is an established historical fact. You are regurgitating the  propaganda that the same people who invented the term "religion of peace", without concern for historical accuracy, have tried to disseminate.  You have accepted the falsehood just as the transgenders who march in support of Hamas do.

 

Are you really going to deny the long  violent persecution of  non muslims?

What do you think the  muslims were doing in SE Asia as they rampaged through India and beyond  from 800  on for   centuries until  destroying Hindu and Buddhist temples and forcing conversions?

Have you never heard of the  Campaign of Terror waged by Timur? He  undertook an ethnic cleansing of  Christians from Iraq, and Syria.

The Ottoman Empire was not a benevolent  state. It ruled for centuries  subjugating much of  Europe and the Middle east.It's atrocities against the  Balkans, Romania, and Bulgaria as well as the  Christians of Egypt, Israel, and Syria are well documented. Churches were  destroyed. Christians were enslaved.

 Who invaded Spain and declared a caliphate?

The radical groups who ran amuck in North Africa from the 1700's were savage in their treatment of Christians.

 

Are you discounting the suffering of the aforementioned regions because they are not not primarily white and European? Your views betray the imagined world of an elitist colonial descendant who's arrogance holds that the world revolves around the western white man. How smug and how wrong.  People of colour   are human beings and have rights too.  When England  sought to stop slavery in the early 1800's, the slave trade was still going strong in muslim Africa and the arab world. Non muslim Africans were captured and sold into bondage. This was allowed and encouraged in the muslim world. The Christian social activists who led the fight against slavery and who sought to educate  women and the poor were persecuted for their social justice views.

 

Please do not offer the deceitful propaganda of the  muslim image machine as a new  truth.

If the Turks were as brutal as you would have us believe, why did Christian orthodox churches not only survive but thrive in eastern europe?

Why did the Turks accept the Jews who fled the murderous anti-semitic Catholic forces. Jews prospered in Turkey for centuries. So did Christians.

Yes, Invaders who were Muslims invaded Spain and set up a caliphate. So what? Do you think wars of conquest are a Muslim invention? Christians and Jews were still allowed to practice their faith. And what happened in Spain after the reconquest by Christians? Muslims and Jews who survived were expelled. It's estimated 300,000 Jews were murdered by Christian forces.

Yes, there were some bad actors who were Muslims. But Muslims were far more tolerant overall of other religions than Christian Europe. Christian and Jewish communities thrived in Muslim ruled areas. When the Crusaders reconquered a piece of the mideast, things went quickly south for the Jews there who had lived under a comparatively benevolent Muslim rule. The Crusaders engaged in mass slaughter of the Jews. And what about the pogroms and oppression of the Jews in Christian Europe that led to the Jewish refugees fleeing to the New World. In the 19th century the Catholic church was still helping to persecute Jews.

15 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

No. That is your revisionist history. Things did not go wrong ONLY in the 20th century. The persecution of non muslims by muslims is an established historical fact. You are regurgitating the  propaganda that the same people who invented the term "religion of peace", without concern for historical accuracy, have tried to disseminate.  You have accepted the falsehood just as the transgenders who march in support of Hamas do.

 

Are you really going to deny the long  violent persecution of  non muslims?

What do you think the  muslims were doing in SE Asia as they rampaged through India and beyond  from 800  on for   centuries until  destroying Hindu and Buddhist temples and forcing conversions?

Have you never heard of the  Campaign of Terror waged by Timur? He  undertook an ethnic cleansing of  Christians from Iraq, and Syria.

The Ottoman Empire was not a benevolent  state. It ruled for centuries  subjugating much of  Europe and the Middle east.It's atrocities against the  Balkans, Romania, and Bulgaria as well as the  Christians of Egypt, Israel, and Syria are well documented. Churches were  destroyed. Christians were enslaved.

 Who invaded Spain and declared a caliphate?

The radical groups who ran amuck in North Africa from the 1700's were savage in their treatment of Christians.

 

Are you discounting the suffering of the aforementioned regions because they are not not primarily white and European? Your views betray the imagined world of an elitist colonial descendant who's arrogance holds that the world revolves around the western white man. How smug and how wrong.  People of colour   are human beings and have rights too.  When England  sought to stop slavery in the early 1800's, the slave trade was still going strong in muslim Africa and the arab world. Non muslim Africans were captured and sold into bondage. This was allowed and encouraged in the muslim world. The Christian social activists who led the fight against slavery and who sought to educate  women and the poor were persecuted for their social justice views.

 

Please do not offer the deceitful propaganda of the  muslim image machine as a new  truth.

I forgot your comments about the Muslim rule of India. I guess this is why there are so few Hindus today? Did the Moghuls ban the practice of Hinduism?

And it's funny that you invoke history to blame Muslims for enslaving people. Can you think of any other religious group that practiced slavery?

20 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

No. That is your revisionist history. Things did not go wrong ONLY in the 20th century. The persecution of non muslims by muslims is an established historical fact. You are regurgitating the  propaganda that the same people who invented the term "religion of peace", without concern for historical accuracy, have tried to disseminate.  You have accepted the falsehood just as the transgenders who march in support of Hamas do.

 

Are you really going to deny the long  violent persecution of  non muslims?

What do you think the  muslims were doing in SE Asia as they rampaged through India and beyond  from 800  on for   centuries until  destroying Hindu and Buddhist temples and forcing conversions?

Have you never heard of the  Campaign of Terror waged by Timur? He  undertook an ethnic cleansing of  Christians from Iraq, and Syria.

The Ottoman Empire was not a benevolent  state. It ruled for centuries  subjugating much of  Europe and the Middle east.It's atrocities against the  Balkans, Romania, and Bulgaria as well as the  Christians of Egypt, Israel, and Syria are well documented. Churches were  destroyed. Christians were enslaved.

 Who invaded Spain and declared a caliphate?

The radical groups who ran amuck in North Africa from the 1700's were savage in their treatment of Christians.

 

Are you discounting the suffering of the aforementioned regions because they are not not primarily white and European? Your views betray the imagined world of an elitist colonial descendant who's arrogance holds that the world revolves around the western white man. How smug and how wrong.  People of colour   are human beings and have rights too.  When England  sought to stop slavery in the early 1800's, the slave trade was still going strong in muslim Africa and the arab world. Non muslim Africans were captured and sold into bondage. This was allowed and encouraged in the muslim world. The Christian social activists who led the fight against slavery and who sought to educate  women and the poor were persecuted for their social justice views.

 

Please do not offer the deceitful propaganda of the  muslim image machine as a new  truth.

As for Timur...who was ruling the countries that he attacked? Muslims. In fact, Timur waged war massively against muslim nations and others as well. I asked chatgpt for a summary of Timur's career  vis a vis his religion:

• Invasions of Georgia: Timur launched multiple invasions into the Christian Kingdom of Georgia between 1386 and 1403. These were officially proclaimed as a jihad against non-Muslims, resulting in massacres and the taking of tens of thousands of slaves.
• Invasion of India: In 1398, Timur invaded northern India (the Delhi Sultanate). Although the ruling sultans were Muslim, Timur justified the extreme violence and massacres of the population on the pretext that they were showing excessive tolerance to their Hindu subjects. His forces carried out widespread slaughter and destruction, particularly in the city of Delhi, and he reportedly ordered the killing of 100,000 Hindu prisoners before the main battle.
• Siege of Smyrna: In 1402, after defeating the Ottoman Sultan Bayezid I, Timur captured the city of Smyrna (modern-day Izmir), a stronghold of the Christian Knights Hospitaller. He styled himself a ghazi (warrior of Islam) for this victory and ordered a mass beheading of the defenders.
• Campaigns in the Caucasus: He also attacked and devastated other non-Muslim populations in the Caucasus region, such as Assyrian Christians and a surviving Indo-Iranian people called the Alyani. 

Although he was a devout Muslim and used religious rhetoric to legitimize some of his conquests, he also attacked and destroyed cities within the Islamic world (such as Baghdad and Damascus), often in response to resistance or to consolidate power. 

 

 

 

 

27 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Are you discounting the suffering of the aforementioned regions because they are not not primarily white and European? Your views betray the imagined world of an elitist colonial descendant who's arrogance holds that the world revolves around the western white man. How smug and how wrong.  People of colour   are human beings and have rights too.  When England  sought to stop slavery in the early 1800's, the slave trade was still going strong in muslim Africa and the arab world. Non muslim Africans were captured and sold into bondage. This was allowed and encouraged in the muslim world. The Christian social activists who led the fight against slavery and who sought to educate  women and the poor were persecuted for their social justice views.

Please spare me your attempts at invoking race. Out of all the people fleeing repression, starvation and murder in the world, you know who Donald Trump chose to give priority to? White South Africans. You don't seem to have a problem with that even though they are not being persecuted. He just invited them to the front of the line.

6 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Please spare me your attempts at invoking race. Out of all the people fleeing repression, starvation and murder in the world, you know who Donald Trump chose to give priority to? White South Africans. You don't seem to have a problem with that even though they are not being persecuted. He just invited them to the front of the line.

White South Africans are indeed persecuted  by the ANC in South Africa. They are unwanted and told to leave. and because  of their situation have difficulty qualify as refugees in the western world. Perhaps if they  cam as illegal entrants you would be more sympathetic.  Now Nigerian Christians will join them on the list of people at risk who can apply for refugee status.

16 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

As for Timur...who was ruling the countries that he attacked? Muslims. In fact, Timur waged war massively against muslim nations and others as well. I asked chatgpt for a summary of Timur's career  vis a vis his religion:

• Invasions of Georgia: Timur launched multiple invasions into the Christian Kingdom of Georgia between 1386 and 1403. These were officially proclaimed as a jihad against non-Muslims, resulting in massacres and the taking of tens of thousands of slaves.
• Invasion of India: In 1398, Timur invaded northern India (the Delhi Sultanate). Although the ruling sultans were Muslim, Timur justified the extreme violence and massacres of the population on the pretext that they were showing excessive tolerance to their Hindu subjects. His forces carried out widespread slaughter and destruction, particularly in the city of Delhi, and he reportedly ordered the killing of 100,000 Hindu prisoners before the main battle.
• Siege of Smyrna: In 1402, after defeating the Ottoman Sultan Bayezid I, Timur captured the city of Smyrna (modern-day Izmir), a stronghold of the Christian Knights Hospitaller. He styled himself a ghazi (warrior of Islam) for this victory and ordered a mass beheading of the defenders.
• Campaigns in the Caucasus: He also attacked and devastated other non-Muslim populations in the Caucasus region, such as Assyrian Christians and a surviving Indo-Iranian people called the Alyani. 

Although he was a devout Muslim and used religious rhetoric to legitimize some of his conquests, he also attacked and destroyed cities within the Islamic world (such as Baghdad and Damascus), often in response to resistance or to consolidate power. 

 

 

Thank you for  agreeing with me and listing multiple examples of the slaughter of non muslims. You really should read your cut and pastes. That's the downside of relying on AI sources: You become intellectually lazy.

Just now, Patong2021 said:

White South Africans are indeed persecuted  by the ANC in South Africa. They are unwanted and told to leave. and because  of their situation have difficulty qualify as refugees in the western world. Perhaps if they  cam as illegal entrants you would be more sympathetic.  Now Nigerian Christians will join them on the list of people at risk who can apply for refugee status.

The Trump administration claimed that they are being singled out for murder. Not true. Who is telling them to leave  The South African Government? Stop making things up. And even if it were true, how does that compare to the awful situations of people who actuallyl are refugees? People who have been vetted and now have to get behind in line behind prosperous white poeople.

There was a law passed that would expropriate some of the land that was taken from black africans in the 2nd half of the twentieth century. Maybe you don't remember how black Africans who lived in the richest agricultural regions there was rounded up and herded into regions called homelands. Anybody who agreed to take those lands or their descendants deserves to have them confiscated. But so far, that hasn't even happened.

Your concern for people of color is obviously fake.

27 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

If the Turks were as brutal as you would have us believe, why did Christian orthodox churches not only survive but thrive in eastern europe?

Why did the Turks accept the Jews who fled the murderous anti-semitic Catholic forces. Jews prospered in Turkey for centuries. So did Christians.

Yes, Invaders who were Muslims invaded Spain and set up a caliphate. So what? Do you think wars of conquest are a Muslim invention? Christians and Jews were still allowed to practice their faith. And what happened in Spain after the reconquest by Christians? Muslims and Jews who survived were expelled. It's estimated 300,000 Jews were murdered by Christian forces.

Yes, there were some bad actors who were Muslims. But Muslims were far more tolerant overall of other religions than Christian Europe. Christian and Jewish communities thrived in Muslim ruled areas. When the Crusaders reconquered a piece of the mideast, things went quickly south for the Jews there who had lived under a comparatively benevolent Muslim rule. The Crusaders engaged in mass slaughter of the Jews. And what about the pogroms and oppression of the Jews in Christian Europe that led to the Jewish refugees fleeing to the New World. In the 19th century the Catholic church was still helping to persecute Jews.

The jews were allowed in provided they paid their head tax and accepted their 2nd class status. Jews had few rights  in muslim countries. Save the revisionist version of their exploitation. According to the muslim propaganda all was well when muslims ruled the jews. It was not. They were forbidden from multiple occupations and they had little recourse when in a dispute with a muslim. They were kept in confined areas, which today we call ghettos.

3 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Thank you for  agreeing with me and listing multiple examples of the slaughter of non muslims. You really should read your cut and pastes. That's the downside of relying on AI sources: You become intellectually lazy.

Yes, but they were being well treated by muslim rulers. Which is something you have repeatedly denied is a fact. Timur was a Mongol conqueror. Just like Genghis Khan after him. Genghis Khan also killed lots of Christians without being a Muslim.

On 11/2/2025 at 10:31 AM, Patong2021 said:

The hypocrisy and faux outrage is BS. Have any of the offended people even read Trump's statement? 

“If the Nigerian Government continues to allow the killing of Christians, the U.S.A. will immediately stop all aid and assistance to Nigeria, and may very well go into that now disgraced country, ‘guns-a-blazing,’ to completely wipe out the Islamic Terrorists who are committing these horrible atrocities,” 

 

Yes, it is not diplomatic. However, it is to the point and a reasonable position. The Islamic militias have been terrorizing Christians for years.  Children are kidnapped and forced to be sex slaves or to convert to Islam and to join the militias and kill Christians. The Nigerian government has failed to protect Christians. the Christians are an oppressed minority.

 

President Clinton participated in the protection of Bosnian muslims in the  war between Serbia and  Bosnia. 

President Bush the elder indirectly intervened to stop the   carnage in Sierra Leone in 1991

President Bush the younger  ordered a direct military intervention in Liberia to stop the  slaughter of people.

All 3 were praised for their interventions that saved lives.

 

The Trump administration has even acted to offer refugee status to Iqbal Nigerians who are facing persecution. They are actual refugees, not economic migrants.

 

 

What war? Are you opposed to protecting the Nigerian victims of Boko Harem and the Islamic militias? Is your opposition because theypeople being helped Black or Christian or both?

 

 

On the contrary, protecting  millions of Nigerians from the savagery of Islamic terrorists is what a peacemaker does. The Nigerian government refuses to protect the Christian Nigerians. It is not as if the UN or EU has offered to protect them.

As a reminder, the world  responded to late to the  massacres in Rwanda and Burundi and a genocide  ensued. Trump is not making the same mistake.

There is a lot of oil in Nigeria.

yeah right, he want that nobel prize too mut for that to ever happen, even beside the fact its unhinged

On 11/2/2025 at 10:33 AM, cjinchiangrai said:

Trumping up phony wars to claim emergency war powers at home. Nigerians are a big threat in Chicago and Los Angeles.

Disgraceful comment. Christians are being slaughtered all over the Middle East, Africa, and Central and South Asia. Even if you are not a Christian you should support any move to stop these tragic events.

 

 

Here we go again America Poking its Nose in anothers country's affairs.

46 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Disgraceful comment. Christians are being slaughtered all over the Middle East, Africa, and Central and South Asia. Even if you are not a Christian you should support any move to stop these tragic events.

 

 

I hope you have the same empathy for the Muslim slaughtered in Gaza even if you not a Muslim. This is not a holier than thou moment and we as citizen of the world should not be supporting such tragic loss of lives of all religion. 

Getting in there, Donald. Nobody else will do what needs to be done, certainly not that dishonourable robot of a ‘leader’ in No10. Round all the perps up and make use of a couple of those expensive nukes. That’ll send a solid message to the botox kid 👍. 

57 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I hope you have the same empathy for the Muslim slaughtered in Gaza even if you not a Muslim. This is not a holier than thou moment and we as citizen of the world should not be supporting such tragic loss of lives of all religion. 

Fine words, nevertheless I have little sympathy for the Muslims being killed in Gaza. They brought it on themselves and their families on 7th October 2023.

14 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

What is an anti muslim rant? what was factually incorrect? 

The US government has been asking the Nigerians to  intervene for years. So too have other  governments.  They have been ineffective. All that the UN did was to ask for more money.

 

They have been ineffective, as others have also been. Everyone failed to eradicate Boko Haram. Each and every other neighbouring country failed to get rid of Islamists extermists. The reasons have been largely explained in news and reports.

 

Which help offer from the US has Nigeria turned down?

Why doesn't he just mind his own business!!

Stop all aid immediately 

 

spend it on Americans 

On 11/2/2025 at 3:47 PM, Alan Zweibel said:

And why does the Trump administration focus on Christians?

To appease the right-wing Republican Christians of course because Trump knows he needs all the help he can get to improve his popularity with his cult members.

 

The irony of it all of course shouldn't be lost on any intelligent person when Trump shouts out that, "I am hereby instructing our Department of War to prepare for possible action,” he said. “If we attack, it will be fast, vicious, and sweet, just like the terrorist thugs attack our CHERISHED Christians!”

And why the irony, because Trump is a convicted rapist, an adulterer, a crook and "misappropriated/stole" funds from a charity, not to mention starting up a fake university in order to increase his wealth – – and the list goes on, so certainly not a devout Christian by any stretch of the imagination.

 

A conman, a crook and grifter are names that do apply to this orange fraudster.

Trump can use his favourite weapon-  tariff or even sanction. But that will be less dramatic than sending in the military. Always the showman who insist on spectacle rather than common sense. 

1 hour ago, EastBayRay said:

Stop all aid immediately 

 

spend it on Americans 

Already frozen in February 2025.

9 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Disgraceful comment. Christians are being slaughtered all over the Middle East, Africa, and Central and South Asia. Even if you are not a Christian you should support any move to stop these tragic events.

After 2000 years of christians killing everyone else? Don't care, one sky moron vs another. Christians do not have a special brand of stupid supporting their survival.

9 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Here we go again America Poking its Nose in anothers country's affairs.

How do you  propose that the slaughter of Christians be stopped in Nigeria?

 

Your position enabled the  genocide in Rwanda/Burundi and in Cambodia. If the Christians do not merit some help, who does?