2 hours ago, Mason45 said:

I was told a simple plan to reduce weight, cut out bread, spuds, rice and pasta. I've all but given up most of those things but I can't give up sourdough bread, any solutions?

 

Solutions for what?

Willpower to give up sourdough?

 

The only thing is when getting sick of body fat takes more importance than pleasure from food. 

Also, follow advice from previous poster Roger buttmore. Eat in a time restricted window. First meal at noon, 2nd meal at 6pm = 6 hour window.

You might be able to still get away with some sourdough bread. If insulin is low most of the day, you can still burn a lot of fat.

 

Or search for keto bread alternatives online. But you will need to make it yourself and it may not taste as good as sourdough.

 

 

9 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

They'd be right, they've been slim for generations on rice

 

I'm not sure how that works.

There is something called "The Randle Cycle". If you mix carbs and fats, the body can only use one for fuel, so it causes a lot of fat gain.

That's why the high carb crowd will tell you to eat low fat.

And keto is the opposite.

 

So "a balanced diet" seems to be the worst. Not sure how they get away with eating rice at every meal. Doesn't make sense according to science.

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

I'm not sure how that works.

There is something called "The Randle Cycle". If you mix carbs and fats, the body can only use one for fuel, so it causes a lot of fat gain.

That's why the high carb crowd will tell you to eat low fat.

And keto is the opposite.

 

So "a balanced diet" seems to be the worst. Not sure how they get away with eating rice at every meal. Doesn't make sense according to science.

 

 

 

Probably fat content was low, plus their portions not big, usually they pick at food including vegetables and fruit.

 

To me it's simple, to find the answer look to the past when people were mostly slim

My weight is good at 65.

 

I eat a reasonable amount of carbs ... perhaps small loaf of wheat bread per week and the rest is small helping of rice. I always ask for half rice at food court and eat about 70% of that. I eat lots of fresh, ripe fruit though a banana a day, 40b worth of both pineapple and papaya. Keep veggies on hand and make fresh salads. Eat local greens too 

 

I no longer eat much ice cream. The good stuff too expensive. Where I'm off the rails are the J&J Tivoli super pack. I go through at least one a week. I eat at food court, local market or wife's cooking. All Thai. I never eat pizza and burger or pasta 1x a month at home.

 

I probably drink too much as well. Maximum: five beers, and 400-500ml whisky. Lately, I've drank less whisky, but on the red wine. So maybe 250ml week and 1.5L wine. 

 

I get lots of exercise. Stretching and try to hit 60k steps a week. I can run a few km on off over an hour or so 

 

HBP in check with simple meds. 

 

Anyone want to chance my age of demise? I'm hoping to hit 93

 

PS. My wife was getting heavy in her face, ankles, ass and stomach. After a few battles and a promised trip to Europe she's dropped about 2.5kg and I'm asking for one more so she'll be 40.5kg. She looks hot again even approaching 50...🥰

 

This was once posted on Health forum Chronic kidney disease:

 

CKD can be (partially) reversible IF ...

 

This from AI Gemini:

 

You cannot reverse established kidney damage, but you can slow the progression of chronic kidney disease (CKD) through early diagnosis and consistent management.

 

So some things posted on here in general are just not believable.

 

 

 

 

 

On 11/21/2025 at 10:12 AM, FolkGuitar said:

Fructose converts to glucose.   Same as any other carb. No healthier than a candy bar. 
Honey, natural as can be, still converts to glucose. No healthier than a slice of chocolate cake. 
Just because it's natural,’ doesn’t mean it’s healthy. Arsenic is natural. So is cyanide. 
For best health, avoid almost ALL sugars and starches. 

Stop eating you gluten.

10 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Stop eating you gluten.

Why?
Unless a person is gluten-intolerant, there is absolutely no reason to avoid it.

In fact, because I don't use wheat flour when making my bread (I use lupin flour), I add vital wheat gluten to the mix to hold it together!

When diet becomes a belief system, either it is keto, IF, vegetarian or vegans, You just have to give up when we need protein, Fat, carbs and fibers for building. Maintenance good health physically and mentally. Only a balanced diet can give everything you need. Overeating is the core problem, nothing else. 

 

There is so much valid information out there, so I guess we all have a choice what we would and will like to believe. Why is it easier to go extreme one way or the other than just eat balanced and exactly what you need and nothing more? Clean whole food no junk? Understand what is good for you and not good for you? 

 

Very few want to give up some treats, and I guess that's the main problem, or get up and do something for themselves on daily basis involving enough physical and mentally exercises.

 

Carbohydrates, proteins, and fats are essential for everyone, including those at risk for diabetes, because they provide the body with energy, help repair tissues, and support vital functions like hormone balance and vitamin absorption. When consumed together in a balanced meal of fiber-rich carbs, lean protein, and healthy fats, they can help prevent rapid blood sugar spikes by slowing down carbohydrate digestion and glucose absorption. This combination also promotes fullness, which can help manage weight, a key factor in preventing diabetes complications. 

 

Carbohydrates, proteins, and fats are essential for everyone, including those at risk for diabetes, because they provide the body with energy, help repair tissues, and support vital functions like hormone balance and vitamin absorption. When consumed together in a balanced meal of fiber-rich carbs, lean protein, and healthy fats, they can help prevent rapid blood sugar spikes by slowing down carbohydrate digestion and glucose absorption. This combination also promotes fullness, which can help manage weight, a key factor in preventing diabetes complications. 

I have all of the symptoms and bad eating habits listed here but at 84 years old so far so good.

Mr. 

On 11/21/2025 at 1:35 PM, FolkGuitar said:

Diabetes is one of the fastest-rising medical issues in First World countries, outpacing Cancer. The shame of it is that it is USUALLY preventable, and that beats out having to stick yourself with a needle several times a day, just checking your blood sugar, to say nothing of the daily insulin injections.
Stop eating sugars and starches, and reduce your chance of developing Type 2 Diabetes today.

Mr. Guitar I think maybe you watch too many you tube videos from ''medical experts '' if you believe that diabetes is usually preventable. It is a condition

that you are born with in your genes (not jeans ) That means that you are predisposed to and Iit  is heredity. All you can do is try and eat less sugar and eat a good diet to keep your weight downto delay onsett but if you are gonna get it you will get it  and also there is no cure for diabetes but there is good medication to control but you  still have to do your bit.

1 minute ago, wavodavo said:

Mr. 

Mr. Guitar I think maybe you watch too many you tube videos from ''medical experts '' if you believe that diabetes is usually preventable. It is a condition

that you are born with in your genes (not jeans ) That means that you are predisposed to and Iit  is heredity. All you can do is try and eat less sugar and eat a good diet to keep your weight downto delay onsett but if you are gonna get it you will get it  and also there is no cure for diabetes but there is good medication to control but you  still have to do your bit.

Sorry, I should have been clearer. 
Type2 diabetes is preventable. Not Type1 to which you refer. 

On 11/24/2025 at 5:22 PM, jerrymahoney said:

This was once posted on Health forum Chronic kidney disease:

 

CKD can be (partially) reversible IF ...

 

This from AI Gemini:

 

You cannot reverse established kidney damage, but you can slow the progression of chronic kidney disease (CKD) through early diagnosis and consistent management.

 

So some things posted on here in general are just not believab

 

 

 

Question...Do you believe everythig that AI gemini tells you ??? because I wouldn't.

On 11/21/2025 at 5:50 PM, jvs said:

Yes there are a few trace minerals but in essence it is just sugar.

Don’t forget about Manuka honey.  At a high MGO level very antibacterial and anti inflammatory.  Excellent when having stomach or lung issues.  As a general dietary addition, not so much.

However, I believe many “nutrition fanatics” may disagree with me as regards the latter.

31 minutes ago, Globalres said:

Don’t forget about Manuka honey.  At a high MGO level very antibacterial and anti inflammatory.  Excellent when having stomach or lung issues.  As a general dietary addition, not so much.

However, I believe many “nutrition fanatics” may disagree with me as regards the latter.

Honey is great, and one tablespoon every morning instead of fruit is great. 

 

It is all about total consumption. 

On 11/21/2025 at 6:31 PM, scubascuba3 said:

so you're eating junk food, how often?

 

 

Never.  

Also almost zero processed food. 

Very little carbs. 

Haven't had a soft drink (coke etc) for about 15 years. 

Avoid sugar as much as I can. 

I only eat when I'm really hungry, I find eating to be a huge inconvenience, especially seeing as I also have to go and buy groceries every day and cook for myself.  

If I could survive without food I'd be very happy.  I'd just drink water.

On 11/21/2025 at 12:44 PM, roger buttmore said:

I used to have one of those firm bellies mentioned in the video clip in the link. It never hung down over the waist of my trousers, but rather looked like half a football under my shirt and was solid to the touch, plus a spare tyre around the waist. I was a fatty for sure on the way to diabetes, if I wasn't there already.

 

At the time I was unaware of things such as insulin resistance or intermittent-fasting etc., but something caught my eye on the sidebar in Youtube one day. I watched and thought I'd give it a go.

 

5 months later and I've lost 2½ stone (36lbs / 16kg). Down from 96kg to just under 80kg. It becomes a lifestyle and is no problem to maintain and  continue. The effort required is minimal, just some determination and self-control, which becomes much easier over time.

 

Skin tags have fallen off, skin looks and feels healthier overall, much lighter on my feet and taste buds quickly returned. I love food, just not the type of food I used to eat and it is delicious. I love eating and now cook for myself with an air-fryer, only consuming between certain hours of the day.

 

I live in Pattaya about 10 mins walk from Friendship Supermarket and they have so much of what I like and want, such as fresh pork, chicken, eggs and plenty of cruciferous and other vegetables and a great selection of nuts and seeds. There is always something else which could improve things, but doing 95% of it is fine with me.

 

Your life. Up to you. I'm so glad I did something about mine. It's not as hard or difficult as some may imagine. Don't let your health become an issue when it takes just a little effort for it not to be, starting right now.

good on you. may I ask what exercise you are doing everyday. time and km?

22 minutes ago, Freddy42OZ said:

I only eat when I'm really hungry, I find eating to be a huge inconvenience, especially seeing as I also have to go and buy groceries every day and cook for myself.  

 

Food is one of the sensory pleasures of life. It's right up there with sex.

But if you cook every single day, it becomes drudgery.

Maybe cut expenses in other areas and spend more money on good quality restaurants. Also, the atmosphere in good restaurants is pleasant. Boring to always eat at home and cooking every day turns into drudgery.

 

15 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Food is one of the sensory pleasures of life. It's right up there with sex.

But if you cook every single day, it becomes drudgery.

Maybe cut expenses in other areas and spend more money on good quality restaurants. Also, the atmosphere in good restaurants is pleasant. Boring to always eat at home and cooking every day turns into drudgery.

 

What else are you guys spending time on if not cooking yourself? 

 

When cooking yourself, at least you know what you eat, and how much 

On 11/21/2025 at 9:58 AM, novacova said:

Most my carbs come from unrefined grains, fresh fruit and there’s even some in fresh vegetables.

can you just simplify it and say sugar 

On 11/21/2025 at 5:43 PM, scubascuba3 said:

I'm 100% sure you are eating the wrong "carbs", you never learn

your body ( if you are human) .   needs  "0" as in ZERO carbs

On 11/21/2025 at 5:50 PM, jvs said:

Yes there are a few trace minerals but in essence it is just sugar.

yes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,   and you have to say it.    "Bee vomit"

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

What else are you guys spending time on if not cooking yourself? 

 

When cooking yourself, at least you know what you eat, and how much 

 

Well, this guy just said he's sick of food because he has to cook every day.

Some people enjoy cooking more than others. For some people, it's drudgery.

So I just recommended that he eats out more often.

And it's also about getting to the supermarket and sourcing the ingredients and cleaning up afterwards.

For me, it is drudgery. But I don't trust most restaurants. I was getting bacon and eggs at a local place and she kept insisting that they cook the eggs in butter, but part of me is still suspicous that they might be using crappy oils. And anyway, it's only 3 eggs and I do more eggs than that in my scrambles.

 

1 minute ago, Luuk Chaai said:

your body ( if you are human) .   needs  "0" as in ZERO carbs

 

Carb Confusion .... this debate rages on ...

It may be one of the more controversial issues in nutrition.

 

On 11/21/2025 at 6:25 PM, Aforek said:

There are different stages of diabetes; moderate diabetes does not require insulin. A good diet and one pill a day are sufficient.

great advice,   take pills....

why not just eat a proper human diet ?

On 11/21/2025 at 7:27 PM, Hummin said:

 

When you quote me, make sure you quote all of it. 

If you read closely and understand what I wrote you will see Im spot on !

 

 

• Build muscle: Resistance training can increase your muscle mass, which helps burn more calories at rest.
• Stay active: Regular physical activity is key to maintaining a faster metabolism.
• Eat a balanced diet: Focus on fruits, vegetables, and lean protein. Avoid excessive amounts of sugar and unhealthy fats, according to WebMD.
• Get enough sleep: Lack of sleep can negatively impact your metabolic rate

70 years old .. I exercise daily .. golf driving range at least 2x a week

no fruit..  it's SUGAR"   no veggies  SUGAR/CARBS>SUGAR and useless Fiber

Beef Butter Bacon Eggs.  chicken/pork Wild caught salmon

no bread no cake no cookies no beer no oils !

( no Thai beef ..      Khun LA gave us a heads up buying beef bulk @ Macro    you can get Austrailian Certified Angus Reserve

and cut your own Strip steaks as thick as you like and it's less than 1/2 the price of buying it from Villa Market

 

37 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Well, this guy just said he's sick of food because he has to cook every day.

Some people enjoy cooking more than others. For some people, it's drudgery.

So I just recommended that he eats out more often.

And it's also about getting to the supermarket and sourcing the ingredients and cleaning up afterwards.

For me, it is drudgery. But I don't trust most restaurants. I was getting bacon and eggs at a local place and she kept insisting that they cook the eggs in butter, but part of me is still suspicous that they might be using crappy oils. And anyway, it's only 3 eggs and I do more eggs than that in my scrambles.

 

 

A good healthy diet take some time and effort, but it is worth it, and also make shopping and making part of something you look at positive about. It is all in our minds, what we want it to be, and by time it becomes exactly what we think about it as. If you tell yourself you find it stressful, it becomes stressful, and if you tell yourself, it is going to be a nice trip out, look at people, have a nice shopping, coffe, etc etc it becomes exactly that. 

 

As an extremely healthy individual, the process of monitoring my health constantly is not a difficult process.  There are loads of interesting books on living a quality life well past 60 but IMO they all are too complicated.   Just  monitor metabolic health and cardiovascular health regularly. 

 

Problem is people are always surprised when the doctor delivers the bad news.  Relying on doctors seems insane to me.  Just get a blood pressure monitor and make sure you are not becoming insulin resistant by checking your blood sugar.  Both can be done at home and what you need to do it costs less than 4k baht.  Nearly impossible to get diabetes when your body manages insulin efficiently.  Almost impossible to have a stroke with great blood pressure numbers.

 

You don't just wake up one day with type 2 diabetes or clogged arteries.  It is a slow progression and I don't understand how more don't monitor arguably the two most important aspects in regards to living a healthy life.  I eat a ton of simple carbs and put 2-4 teaspoon of salt into my electrolyte drinks.  If my numbers were concerning I would adjust.  Simple 🙂

33 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

A good healthy diet take some time and effort, but it is worth it, and also make shopping and making part of something you look at positive about. It is all in our minds, what we want it to be, and by time it becomes exactly what we think about it as. If you tell yourself you find it stressful, it becomes stressful, and if you tell yourself, it is going to be a nice trip out, look at people, have a nice shopping, coffe, etc etc it becomes exactly that. 

 

Nothing wrong with being preachy I guess.

But some folks are never going to cook every meal at home and actually have a Zen experience.

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Nothing wrong with being preachy I guess.

But some folks are never going to cook every meal at home and actually have a Zen experience.

 

 

 

 

All Im saying is, we all have a choice to live the life’s we want,but it takes som effort to make it happen. if you are satisfied with status Q, nothing is better than that. 

Get your glucose below 100 (overnight fasting) and below 114 on the longer range test. Not easy to do if your hovering or slightly higher, but IMO it means really watch the sugar intake - especially as we age. Very hard to do when sugar is an ingredient in almost everything we eat. Also agree that fruit and fruit juice are suspect. Not so sure carbs are a big problem unto themselves, but protein and vegetables should be the mainstream diet.