Seems to me trump is again urging Ukraine to grant each and every demand putin wants……could you imagine if FDR tried to shank england ant every opportunity and suck up to hitler???sure seems that way to me…..some president ehh??

Yes he definitely is.

Europe needs to wake up. 

They're on their own.

Trump is with Putin. 

Hi

 

Are you aware of the massive corruption scandal that has broken in the Ukraine? 100M USD or more.

 

It pales in comparison to the past and involves government high ranking officials. A Ukraine academic at Clark University stated that any shred of hope and believability the citizens may have had for the government is lost. She went on to say that elections have not happened in years and anyone publicly protesting is sent to front lines to die. If it's a female then her male family members sent. It's right out of a dystopian novel. Check out System Update Glenn Greenwald or Google it. Below is synopsis 

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, MarcusAurelius said:

Hi

 

Are you aware of the massive corruption scandal that has broken in the Ukraine? 100M USD or more.

 

It pales in comparison to the past and involves government high ranking officials. A Ukraine academic at Clark University stated that any shred of hope and believability the citizens may have had for the government is lost. She went on to say that elections have not happened in years and anyone publicly protesting is sent to front lines to die. If it's a female then her male family members sent. It's right out of a dystopian novel. Check out System Update Glenn Greenwald or Google it. Below is synopsis 

 

 

 

 

 

In the energy sector too. Hmmmmm.

7 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

In the energy sector too. Hmmmmm.

 

She also stated that government official/s had taken money and absconded to Israel.  No surprise there

 

Here's the podcast 

 

https://3b5ca66c-db2e-4956-b5ca-c5b2011f190e.libsyn.com/trump-and-jd-vance-weigh-in-on-the-maga-civil-war-over-tucker-zelenskys-top-associates-embroiled-in-100-million-corruption-scandal-fbis-ongoing-concealment-about-trump-shooter

47 minutes ago, Tug said:

Seems to me trump is again urging Ukraine to grant each and every demand putin wants……could you imagine if FDR tried to shank england ant every opportunity and suck up to hitler???sure seems that way to me…..some president ehh??

Where is your link? Or is this another Trump hating thread without proof?

35 minutes ago, MarcusAurelius said:

Hi

 

Are you aware of the massive corruption scandal that has broken in the Ukraine? 100M USD or more.

 

It pales in comparison to the past and involves government high ranking officials. A Ukraine academic at Clark University stated that any shred of hope and believability the citizens may have had for the government is lost. She went on to say that elections have not happened in years and anyone publicly protesting is sent to front lines to die. If it's a female then her male family members sent. It's right out of a dystopian novel. Check out System Update Glenn Greenwald or Google it. Below is synopsis 

 

 

 

 

Therefore give Putin what he wants right. Jeez

2 minutes ago, thesetat said:

Where is your link? Or is this another Trump hating thread without proof?

News papers, try reading them.

5 minutes ago, thesetat said:

Where is your link? Or is this another Trump hating thread without proof?

Only a person who has not followed the news would post such a clueless question,

Unfortunately, Zelinskyy is vulnerable now because of the major corruption scandal. Clearly Putin and his ally Trump smelled a weakness and decided to play taco time again on sanctions and try to force a surrender yet again. 

It won't work.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Only a person who has not followed the news would post such a clueless question,

Ohh ok... So there is no link and the OP is only for the Trump haters.. i understand now. 

The war has been lost for years. It just drags on for the benefit of the grifters sucking American largesse out of the system. 

 

Eminent scholar John Mersheimer spoke to EU Parliament I'm Brussels, but of course you board members far more educated on the topic as indicated by lack of supporting evidence and ad hominem attacks and childish name calling 

 

It is conveniently in audio as I'm certain all the rabid anti Russian posters here averse to long and even short form reading 

 

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/mearsheimer-europes-bleak-future/

 

Moreover, the common wisdom here seems to be that Russia instagated the war. This is simply not true. Again, professor Mersheimer 

 

https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/who-caused-the-ukraine-war

 

The conventional wisdom in the West is that Vladimir Putin is responsible for causing the Ukraine war. The invasion aimed at conquering all of Ukraine and making it part of a greater Russia, so the argument goes.

 

The alternative argument, which I identify with, and which is clearly the minority view in the West, is that the United States and its allies provoked the war. This is not to deny, of course, that Russia invaded Ukraine and started the war. But the principal cause of the conflict is the NATO decision to bring Ukraine into the alliance, which virtually all Russian leaders see as an existential threat that must be eliminated. NATO expansion, however, is part of a broader strategy that is designed to make Ukraine a Western bulwark on Russia’s border. Bringing Kyiv into the European Union (EU) and promoting a color revolution in Ukraine – turning it into pro-Western liberal democracy – are the other two prongs of the policy. Russia leaders fear all three prongs, but they fear NATO expansion the most. To deal with this threat, Russia launched a preventive war on 24 February 2022.

 

Finally, some time ago Anthony Blinken acknowledged Us arms build up on Ukraine boarder which also really gave Russia no option other than to invade

 

There seems to be an enormous amount of name calling and distraction on this thread and when I look at the sub forum itself it's full of the same cheap shots. 

 

The war was lost before it started, but that never stops the masters of war

 

Enjoy your day gents 

1 minute ago, MarcusAurelius said:

The conventional wisdom in the West is that Vladimir Putin is responsible for causing the Ukraine war.

This is 100% accurate.  Putin did start the war. 

2 minutes ago, MarcusAurelius said:

But the principal cause of the conflict is the NATO decision to bring Ukraine into the alliance,

This never happen. 

This is also important. The Ukraine has in fact lost so many men there is a M/F imbalance in the society similar to Russia post WW2 

 

Per Grok:

 

Overview of Casualties in the Russia-Ukraine WarEstimating the total number of lives lost (deaths only) in the Russia-Ukraine war as of November 21, 2025, is challenging due to the fog of war, restricted access to occupied areas, and deliberate underreporting by both sides. Official figures from Russia and Ukraine are considered unreliable by independent observers, as they serve propaganda purposes. More credible data comes from Western intelligence, UN verification, open-source investigations (e.g., BBC/Mediazona, UA Losses), and think tanks like the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). These sources emphasize that actual numbers are likely higher than verified totals, especially for military deaths in remote or contested zones.The war, which escalated with Russia's full-scale invasion on February 24, 2022, has caused devastating human costs. Below, I break down estimates for military deaths (Russian and Ukrainian forces) and civilian deaths (primarily in Ukraine, as Russian civilian losses are minimal and not systematically reported). Total estimated deaths across all categories range from 500,000 to 700,000, with military losses dominating. This does not include the pre-2022 Donbas conflict (2014–2021), which added ~14,000 deaths.Key Caveats on EstimatesMilitary: Focus on killed in action (KIA); excludes wounded (which total 1–1.5 million across sides) or missing (tens of thousands). 
Civilian: UN-verified figures are conservative; they only include cases with evidence and exclude unaccessed areas like Mariupol. 
Trends in 2025: Casualties surged this year due to intensified Russian offensives (e.g., around Pokrovsk) and drone/missile strikes. Russia reports ~1,000 casualties/day; Ukraine ~500/day. 
Bias Consideration: Ukrainian sources inflate Russian losses; Russian sources downplay their own. Western/UN data balances this by cross-verifying via satellites, intercepts, and obituaries. 
 
Estimated Deaths by CategoryCategory 
Estimated Deaths 
Key Sources & Notes 
Russian Military 
250,000–350,000 
- CSIS (Aug 2025): ~250,000 KIA by May 2025, en route to 1M total casualties (KIA ~25–30%).
- BBC/Mediazona (Nov 2025): 95,000+ confirmed (via obituaries/social media), extrapolated to 250,000–327,000 excluding DPR/LPR militias.
- UK MoD/Euromaidan (May/Nov 2025): 160,000 casualties in first 4 months of 2025 alone; ~100,000 KIA in 2025.
- Includes ~21,000–23,500 DPR/LPR fighters (BBC, 2025). Zelenskyy (Dec 2024) claimed 198,000, but 2025 escalations add ~50,000–150,000. 
Ukrainian Military 
60,000–120,000 
- Zelenskyy (Dec 2024): 43,000 KIA; no 2025 update, but analysts add 20,000–80,000 for intensified fighting.
- CSIS (Jun 2025): 60,000–100,000 KIA within 400,000 total casualties.
- UA Losses (Oct 2025): ~70,000 confirmed dead/missing; NYT/Lostarmour (Jan 2025): >100,000 KIA by Dec 2024, plus 2025 losses.
- Lower than Russia's due to defensive posture and better training, but rising with conscription strains. 
Ukrainian Civilians 
15,000–20,000+ 
- UN OHCHR (Nov 2025): 14,534 verified KIA since 2022; real toll "substantially higher" due to unverified cases in occupied areas.
- 2025 surge: 12,062 casualties (Jan–Oct), exceeding 2024's full-year total; includes 733 children.
- Peaks from Russian strikes (e.g., 26 killed in Ternopil, Nov 19, 2025; Reuters).
- Excludes 8,000–10,000 from 2014–2021 Donbas phase. Russian civilian deaths: Negligible (100 from Ukrainian strikes). 
Total Lives Lost 
500,000–700,000 
Sum of above ranges. CSIS/NYT (Jun 2025): ~1.4M total casualties (both militaries), implying ~350,000–500,000 KIA. Excludes indirect deaths (e.g., ~100,000 from disrupted healthcare/cold winters). 
 
Broader Context and Human ImpactAsymmetry: Russia has suffered 3–5 times more military deaths due to "meat grinder" assaults (e.g., 27 KIA per sq km captured in 2024–2025; Economist). Ukraine's losses, while lower, strain its smaller population (~38M pre-war vs. Russia's 144M). 
2025 Escalation: Russian advances (e.g., Pokrovsk) cost ~45,000 casualties in November alone (UK intel). Civilian deaths rose 27% YoY (UN), driven by drones (24% of casualties) and infrastructure strikes. 
Demographic Toll: Ukraine faces a "lost generation" (millions displaced, birth rates halved). Russia sees excess male deaths (~1.1% of fighting-age men), fueling recruitment from prisons and abroad. 
Verification Challenges: Open-source tools (e.g., drone footage, social media) confirm ~10–20% of totals; satellites track advances but not bodies. UN accesses only government-held areas. 
 
These figures underscore the war's brutality—far exceeding recent conflicts like Afghanistan (US: 2,400 KIA over 20 years). Peace negotiations (e.g., Trump admin's reported framework) could halt this, but as Putin stated on Nov 20, 2025, Russia seeks "unconditional" goals, showing no compromise.  
 @tassagency_en 
  For the latest, monitor UN OHCHR or CSIS updates, as numbers evolve weekly. 
 

5 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

This is 100% accurate.  Putin did start the war. 

 

Thank you for your input professor. Could you please point me to your books, academic papers and lectures on the topic 

 

I'm especially interested in your address to the EU Parliament 

 

Thank you 

Trump is a terrible negotiator, and gets outplayed every time he attempts to negotiate with both allies and adversaries. Mark Carney outplayed him. Kim and Xi outplayed him. How many soybeans have the Chinese bought from US farmers since the Huuuge deal? Zero tons. Putin consistently outplays him. MBS made him look like a butt kissing fool recently. 

 

The fact is Don is a terrible leader and the 2nd worst president the US has ever had. 

 

 

 

*Trolling meme removed.

 

1 hour ago, MarcusAurelius said:

Hi

 

Are you aware of the massive corruption scandal that has broken in the Ukraine? 100M USD or more.

 

It pales in comparison to the past and involves government high ranking officials. A Ukraine academic at Clark University stated that any shred of hope and believability the citizens may have had for the government is lost. She went on to say that elections have not happened in years and anyone publicly protesting is sent to front lines to die. If it's a female then her male family members sent. It's right out of a dystopian novel. Check out System Update Glenn Greenwald or Google it. Below is synopsis 

 

 

 

 

Ooh  got expelled again huh? Another new account.

1 hour ago, thesetat said:

Ohh ok... So there is no link and the OP is only for the Trump haters.. i understand now. 

 

This okay for you? 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/11/20/russia-to-be-welcomed-back-to-g7-under-proposed-peace-plan/

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/11/20/revealed-trump-and-putins-28-point-peace-plan-for-ukraine/

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/20/steve-witkoff-shows-dangers-of-bamboozled-peace-envoy/

 

Ma Fia governments.

 

 

 

 

 

 

59 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

This is 100% accurate.  Putin did start the war. 

But understanding why he did is as important as understanding that he fired the first shot.

 

 

Just now, Yagoda said:

But understanding why he did is as important as understanding that he fired the first shot.

 

 

Tell all......?  🤫

This should be interesting........🤔

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

But understanding why he did is as important as understanding that he fired the first shot.

 

 

 

It's just a different bunch of criminals, isn't it?

Money launderers. Ma fia types. Trump is just bringing them all together, out of the cold. 

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Tell all......?  🤫

This should be interesting........🤔

 

Your answer is above. Read the post. 

 

Read

Just now, BatteringRam said:

It's just a different bunch of criminals, isn't it?

No they are the same, always have been. No difference between a Ukrainian and a Russian

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

No they are the same, always have been. No difference between a Ukrainian and a Russian

 

I'm referring to Trump, Putin, MbS...

6 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

 

I'm referring to Trump, Putin, MbS...

Mother Theresas dont run countries.

Just now, Yagoda said:

Mother Theresas dont run countries.

 

But you are happy to have criminals do so? He's just paying back the criminals who supported him.

 

 

44 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/20/steve-witkoff-shows-dangers-of-bamboozled-peace-envoy/

 

Ma Fia governments.

404 – Sorry, page not found

 

44 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/11/20/revealed-trump-and-putins-28-point-peace-plan-for-ukraine/

This link... does not show what the OP was stating. On the contrary, 

European governments, without seeing its contents, derided it as a capitulation and surrender to the Kremlin. So they were guessing without reading anything. 

So the OPS post was a Trump hating post. Simple but true. 

23 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

But understanding why he did is as important as understanding that he fired the first shot.

 

 

Tell all........?  🤫

This could be interesting..........🤔

33 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

 

This okay for you? 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/11/20/russia-to-be-welcomed-back-to-g7-under-proposed-peace-plan/

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/11/20/revealed-trump-and-putins-28-point-peace-plan-for-ukraine/

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/20/steve-witkoff-shows-dangers-of-bamboozled-peace-envoy/

 

Ma Fia governments.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Too bad all the Trump cucks that support him here have reading disabilities.