I switched to a Mac 4 years ago and have never regretted it.  

15 hours ago, johng said:

What are the advantages of a Mac mini 

over an Intel NUC  ????

let alone a full sized PC with full "up gradability"

choice of case,mainboard,  PSU, RAM, CPU,VPU, PCI peripherals and storage options ????  

Windows computers are great for computer hobbyists.

I used to have a Windows computers and was always mail ordering stuff from Newegg.com to enhance or upgrade.

Since I got a Mac I just get on with my own business and don't worry about computerese stuff.

Never even think about "case,mainboard,  PSU, RAM, CPU,VPU, PCI peripherals and storage options"

8 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Yeah, and you judging other after your own preferences in life seems a bit mentally ill and stupid. it also shows that you have no clue how to use a computer for profit. instead, you sit with your hand, satisfying yourself with sex videos. Not enough baht to get the real thing, as you show a mentality that tell the only way for you is to pay for it.

Hit a sensitive spot did he?

16 hours ago, connda said:

My first computer was an IBM XT running DOS.  Fast forward to today after many Intel and AMD computers and laptops.  But I'm throwing in the chips and going for a Mac Mini M4.  That will give me peripheral cross-compatibility and still be within my budget.  Bye bye Windows and Linux.

Are you going to purchase it in Thailand or the states ?

Macs are far superior to PCs. They are far more intuitive and the interface is far more attractive. Every device I use is Apple except for the phone. I prefer Android phones for a dozen valid reasons. However with the new newly improved camera on the iPhone 17 Pro Max that could change, unless Samsung plays catch up as their zoom lens is really horrific, even on the flagship S25 ultra. 

13 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

I'm not going to switch to windows or linux because it would be too painful to relearn new ways of doing the same things but I'm certain we're now going down the backside of the apex. It's still a good OS though and I would recommend it but it's just sad how <deleted>e it looks now and buggier than ever.

 

All the old people who founded the company and made it successful are long gone so it's simply not the same company. The real problem is that it's basically a phone company now and mac is only 8% of revenue so it's just not important to them and not enough care goes in to it.

 

To make matters worse they've been trying to unify macOS and iOS over the years and that's not the direction I want to see as mac user and programmer who uses my computer daily for work and everything else.

The primary use for it - other than the normal stuff I do on my PC - is to do audio and video recording and editing.  Over 80% of the tutorial videos I see regarding home recording (music) are accomplished using GarageBand or Logic Pro with Focusrite computer interfaces. It's amazing how many people use that combination and have made tutorial videos.  Granted, my Linux desktop is snappy and works well, it's not that robust for recording/edit audio/video.  Then my Windows laptop - gag me with a spoon. It's just a freaking slug.  Updates take forever and the OS is so bloated and poorly engineered that it sucks the life out of the machine. I'm tired of staring at the screen wondering when the mouse or keyboard will work again.  I use Windows to run a couple of applications which don't run on Linux but do run on MacOS.  And I don't game so I don't need a gamer system running on Windows.

33 minutes ago, connda said:

Granted, my Linux desktop is snappy and works well, it's not that robust for recording/edit audio/video.

If you don't mind tinkering with your desktop, you may want to see if it can function as a Hackintosh.  That was my introduction to MacOS.  I loved the integration with the iPhone because at the time I used the iPhone extensively in my business while away from home.  It was so convenient that everything was synchronized with my Hackintosh desktop automagically.  When I had an opportunity to get an iMac by redeeming loyalty rewards, I took it.

Hard to beat the prices of these mac mini's aside from computing power being insane good, energy use like 3-5 watts average. I can even control the mac mini from my macbook with the trackpad and keyboard by default, as if it is a extending monitor and computer or visa versa. 

 

I guess a second hand one that already even has a M1 chip barely cost 10K baht, kind of funny as Apple was always bashed for being too expensive while their products lasts easy up to 8-10 years, try doing that with Windows laptops. Even they lasted as long they would be super slow.

 

I run this M4 mac mini now since maybe 8 months and it is just perfect, same that it works as it is one with my macbook air. Files are all synced realtime on both devices as well. Performance insane too, it barely uses capacity while running on 2x 34 inch ultrawide monitors.

 

For the real pro's, get a Ecoflow battery too, I can run my entire work station without power for 24 hours, charge it from grid direct or solar / car, keeps my wifi online too when there is power outages. Can find them on Lazada.

8 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

You're a bit old to still be playing games, get out more

Aah, that's why you don't use PC's anymore... you're getting out more.

Other people have other interests, and how would you know how old I am?

Is there some kind of age restriction in your mind to be a gamer?

Get out more? To do what? Drink beer and chase local skirt?  

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I switched to a Mac 4 years ago and have never regretted it.  

 

For personal use its different than work use - because software often dictates which machines a company use... So - regarding personal use 'only'... 

 

Is that a general 'thing' when people switch to MAC they don't go back to PC ?? (windows based or other).

 

So - after using MAC for a few years - does anyone ever revert back to a PC / Windows or Linus based ?

 

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Also - the type of person who would use a Linux would never get on with a MAC as they require far more control and freedom over their system - whereas when using a MAC you are limited, which I guess is also why its just more reliable (or appears more reliable) - its becasue we can't screw it up so easily !!!

 

The same can be said for the Phones - we can't 'change' too much on an iPhone and it works seemlessly.

With Android we can do a lot more, run Macro's etc - but some of those are glitchy.

 

I like the fun of messing with my Android phone - which I use for Work Based only (and can run 3x different accounts on WhatsApp etc and have my overseas work Apps running etc) - but I wont run my Crypto or Banking accounts on my Android - the iPhone remains 'within that sealed walled eco-system' where there is less digital risk.

 

 

 

 

Flames, off-topic, and troll posts removed.  

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

For personal use its different than work use - because software often dictates which machines a company use... So - regarding personal use 'only'... 

 

Is that a general 'thing' when people switch to MAC they don't go back to PC ?? (windows based or other).

 

So - after using MAC for a few years - does anyone ever revert back to a PC / Windows or Linus based ?

 

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Also - the type of person who would use a Linux would never get on with a MAC as they require far more control and freedom over their system - whereas when using a MAC you are limited, which I guess is also why its just more reliable (or appears more reliable) - its becasue we can't screw it up so easily !!!

 

The same can be said for the Phones - we can't 'change' too much on an iPhone and it works seemlessly.

With Android we can do a lot more, run Macro's etc - but some of those are glitchy.

 

I like the fun of messing with my Android phone - which I use for Work Based only (and can run 3x different accounts on WhatsApp etc and have my overseas work Apps running etc) - but I wont run my Crypto or Banking accounts on my Android - the iPhone remains 'within that sealed walled eco-system' where there is less digital risk.

 

 

 

 

Oh please stop the nonsense already, you talk things that were relevant years ago and even if talking about this, a mac mini is way faster and better performing to run your Linux or Windows on as well. Guess you never realized that you can run dual boot on apple products as well, aka if you want windows or ubuntu, you just boot that. A windows however can not do that, let alone smooth or functional.

 

Same you can still run windows only applications using Wine or similar in macOS too. Mac is basically the same as linux to begin with.

It is useless arguing about PC & MAC.

Neither side will back away - just like religion!

35 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Oh please stop the nonsense already, you talk things that were relevant years ago and even if talking about this, a mac mini is way faster and better performing to run your Linux or Windows on as well. Guess you never realized that you can run dual boot on apple products as well, aka if you want windows or ubuntu, you just boot that. A windows however can not do that, let alone smooth or functional.

 

Same you can still run windows only applications using Wine or similar in macOS too. Mac is basically the same as linux to begin with.

 

I don't know what you are getting so emotional about - but yes, dual boot is also an excellent option that MAC's offer.

 

But companies using software that requires windows - generally use PC based systems and not Mac - and for most of us who work, we don't get the choice of which system to use which is why I isolated the difference between personal choice and work use.

 

Hope you can calm down now.

20 hours ago, connda said:

My first computer was an IBM XT running DOS.  Fast forward to today after many Intel and AMD computers and laptops.  But I'm throwing in the chips and going for a Mac Mini M4.  That will give me peripheral cross-compatibility and still be within my budget.  Bye bye Windows and Linux.

We all get to an age where it is stupid to change a phone or a computer - from what we have been using for many decades.  It becomes very hard to re-learn something at a certain point in our lives. If you are young (under 50) then go for it - if you are old (over 70) then dont do it.  In between - it is up to you - but think carefully.  

21 hours ago, connda said:

My first computer was an IBM XT running DOS.  Fast forward to today after many Intel and AMD computers and laptops.  But I'm throwing in the chips and going for a Mac Mini M4.  That will give me peripheral cross-compatibility and still be within my budget.  Bye bye Windows and Linux.

I finally up graded my Mac Mini to the M4. Been using Mac's forever. Swift 4k will play on my 75 4h nice.

I'm seriously considering upgrading to Windows 98. 

4 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

I'm seriously considering upgrading to Windows 98. 

My PC is ancient, the Triggers broom of PC's, and runs great with Windows 11........

I have used windows pc systems for many years and the only reason i have not changed to a Mac is the price of them and rarely upgrade a pc's components unless its broken
Spent about 30k on a system almost 3 years ago that will last at least another 10 years before i change it
Would a 13 year old mac still be usable?
 

22 hours ago, cdemundo said:

Hit a sensitive spot did he?

Why? Just telling him that his thoughts about other people must originate from inside himself.

15 hours ago, kwak250 said:

I have used windows pc systems for many years and the only reason i have not changed to a Mac is the price of them and rarely upgrade a pc's components unless its broken
Spent about 30k on a system almost 3 years ago that will last at least another 10 years before i change it
Would a 13 year old mac still be usable?
 

90% of the time, MAC's are used by people who have extra cash and want to show it.

They are mostly show pieces IMHO 

1 hour ago, ravip said:

90% of the time, MAC's are used by people who have extra cash and want to show it.

They are mostly show pieces IMHO 

 

Strange comment.  That never occurred to me.  How do I 'show' my shiny Mac when I only use it at home?

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Strange comment.  That never occurred to me.  How do I 'show' my shiny Mac when I only use it at home?

So you must be in the other 10%

On 11/25/2025 at 7:46 PM, parafareno said:

apple computers is not for gaming...for pc you get everything you need for free. Why switching to mac??? that is insanity...you will only rack your bills

 

Just for your reference, I have an older Mac M2 model, and it plays Cyberpunk 2077 (a very CPU/GPU intensive game) natively at an equal framerate as my Intel 13th gen + RTX4090. The graphics on the wintel are marginally better, but otherwise zero difference. After much A/B testing I stuck with the Mac just for convenience as it's my daily machine while my wintel only gets booted up to play Steam games.

Hopefully more games will be ported over to macos. Macs today can absolutely compete on that front. But for the moment, if you're a gamer, wintel is still the way.

I've used both and used to be happy with both until my last Windows based computer started having the blue screen of death after only three months of operation--it still runs today but at a slower speed than when new. My last Mac ran and ran and ran but started getting slower after about 15 years, plus no support and many programs wouldn't work with the OS because of age. It still runs today but slower, similar problem to Windows but didn't crap out after three months. After my current Windows machine dies--which we all know it will, I'm going back to a Mac.

In 2010, I was sick of reinstalling, hanging, "not responding", Ctrl+Alt+Deltete, etc, etc, I changed to a Mac, as did my two colleagues. We should have done it much earlier. We saved so much time actually doing work rather than fixing PC issues.

You mean there is something more advanced than my TRS 80, flexing 32 kb of RAM) and it's 8" floppy disk? I can load up my VisiCalc worksheets in as little as 2-6 minutes.

On 11/25/2025 at 5:30 AM, connda said:

My first computer was an IBM XT running DOS.  Fast forward to today after many Intel and AMD computers and laptops.  But I'm throwing in the chips and going for a Mac Mini M4.  That will give me peripheral cross-compatibility and still be within my budget.  Bye bye Windows and Linux.

Once you go Mac you never go back.

On 11/25/2025 at 5:30 PM, connda said:

My first computer was an IBM XT running DOS.  Fast forward to today after many Intel and AMD computers and laptops.  But I'm throwing in the chips and going for a Mac Mini M4.  That will give me peripheral cross-compatibility and still be within my budget.  Bye bye Windows and Linux.

You're a bit late to the party there. When I moved to Thailand, my first purchase was an iMac G4, which I've never regretted, and everything in between, including MacPro. Now I have a Mac mini M2 pro, and I'm still satisfied.
But beware, even Apple has its quirks, not in terms of hardware but software.

On 11/26/2025 at 12:41 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

For personal use its different than work use - because software often dictates which machines a company use... So - regarding personal use 'only'... 

 

Is that a general 'thing' when people switch to MAC they don't go back to PC ?? (windows based or other).

 

So - after using MAC for a few years - does anyone ever revert back to a PC / Windows or Linus based ?

 

--------

 

Also - the type of person who would use a Linux would never get on with a MAC as they require far more control and freedom over their system - whereas when using a MAC you are limited, which I guess is also why its just more reliable (or appears more reliable) - its becasue we can't screw it up so easily !!!

 

The same can be said for the Phones - we can't 'change' too much on an iPhone and it works seemlessly.

With Android we can do a lot more, run Macro's etc - but some of those are glitchy.

 

I like the fun of messing with my Android phone - which I use for Work Based only (and can run 3x different accounts on WhatsApp etc and have my overseas work Apps running etc) - but I wont run my Crypto or Banking accounts on my Android - the iPhone remains 'within that sealed walled eco-system' where there is less digital risk.

 

 

 

 

Yes, I also have Windows installed on my MacPro, which is hanging under my desk. Very occasionally, there are apps that work better on Windows than on a Mac, such as EMDB.
But I think Windows 10 or 11 is a terrible operating system, and when you want to shut it down, you suddenly get an update that prevents you from doing so.
DaVinci, on the other hand, is a fantastic software programme for Mac, and unlike Final Cut, it's free.