12 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

There's nothing perfectly clean about  any source of power. Or any industrial activity for that matter. But some are a lot cleaner than others. 

Nuclear. Natural Gas. Hydrothermal. The cleanest and most efficient and cost effective.

 

Coal is fine too.

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Do you think that private companies that generate electricity do not do cost analysis? 

 

Yes, when the wind blows really hard, it works great. The rest of the time? Not so much. 

Are you claiming that BritManToo is a private company who generates electricity? What's your point? 

 

No, not just when the wind blows really hard. More BS from you. And as I noted, the UK has been a laggard in storage capacity.

2 hours ago, 300sd said:

You may be right about that or perhaps Trump understands that humanity prospers and progresses as energy is plentiful and cheap. That cheap energy has been created and developed through oil and gas exploration over many years. Obviously the so called “clean energy” can not replace oil and gas, at this time, because it isn't cheap and doesn't work well. Trying to ban or replace carbon fuels too early is only smart if one is trying to make current populations suffer.

What you don't seem to realize is that the easily obtainable oil and gas is running out, and the reserves are finite. Much of the oil and gas that has yet to be discovered is deep under sea or deep underground, and difficult and expensive to extract. 

 

That is the biggest reason why alternative erergy makes sense in the long term, besides some of it being environmentally sustainable. 

 

But Trump wouldn't know anything about that, and with the band of amateur and very, very low grade advisors and cabinet members that he has, it wouldn't be expected that anybody would try to convince him of that either. Besides he has lobbyists from Big Oil and major corporations whispering in his ear, and God forbid that he disappoints one of them. 

Trumps chums make more money burning stuff............

12 minutes ago, BKKKevin said:

 

Google estimates that in 2024 the US subsidies for all wind and solar was $31.4 billion which is what a pair of Trump class battleships will cost...  Sad... 

 

Yet the "Inflation Reduction Act" alone spent/pledged almost $300B on renewables the first year. 

 

Google's a leftist 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Are you claiming that BritManToo is a private company who generates electricity? What's your point? 

 

No, not just when the wind blows really hard. More BS from you. And as I noted, the UK has been a laggard in storage capacity.

No, I am not claiming that. 

 

Again, how much battery is needed to provide uninterrupted energy to power London for a week when the Sun is not shining and the wind is not blowing?

 

And, if solar is so cheap, why is electricity so expensive where areas with a large percentage of power comes from solar?

53 minutes ago, transam said:

You Google how solar panels work..............🤭

No need, I can just look out my window.

Sun 250+ days a year here, last months bill 200bht for both her home and 1000Kms in her car.

Cost of parts 20,000bht.

 

But back in the UK parts would cost x2 and generated electricity /4

Just now, BritManToo said:

No need, I can just look out my window.

Sun 250+ days a year here, last months bill 200bht for both her home and 100Kms in her car.

Cost of parts 20,000bht.

 

But back in the UK parts would cost x2 and generated electricity /4

Solar doesn't use heat, it uses light, which is what I was pointing out....😉

13 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Battleships are more important

 

Then have Battleships before Renewable Energy put on your tombstone so your grandchildren know who to blame...

13 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Battleships are more important

 

Then have Battleships before Renewable Energy put on your tombstone so your great grandchildren know who to blame...

Just now, BKKKevin said:

 

Then have Battleships before Renewable Energy put on your tombstone so your grandchildren know who to blame...

But for battleships, many of us would not be here to have children.

 

 

2 hours ago, Photoguy21 said:

For a start the material used is plastic based and needs replacing after just a few years. 

 

Usually carbon fibre or carbon composite. And no parts need replacing in oil, gas or nuclear powered power stations? Wow, amazing. 

 

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Secondly the land they would occupy is better used for food production to feed the country.

Never been to a wind farm have you. The footprint of a wind turbine is very small and generally the land they are sat on is used for farming.  These pictures I took at a wind farm in NE Thailand, huge, over several kilometres and all of it is farmed land. And they are a thing of awe and beauty when you see them for real. 

Beautiful clean energy, the farmers make extra money for having them on their land - and as I mentioned they take up very little space.

Trump hates them because he receives so much money from big oil and gas, that's the only reason. And and because he is thick and doesn't understand them. 

I can understand the argument of people who say they are ugly on the horizon but I disagree and find them great to look at, even more so when you get up close. 



 

21 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yet the "Inflation Reduction Act" alone spent/pledged almost $300B on renewables the first year. 

 

Google's a leftist 

 

 

Over a 10 year period...

9 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

 

Usually carbon fibre or carbon composite. And no parts need replacing in oil, gas or nuclear powered power stations? Wow, amazing. 

 

Never been to a wind farm have you. The footprint of a wind turbine is very small and generally the land they are sat on is used for farming.  These pictures I took at a wind farm in NE Thailand, huge, over several kilometres and all of it is farmed land. And they are a thing of awe and beauty when you see them for real. 

Beautiful clean energy, the farmers make extra money for having them on their land - and as I mentioned they take up very little space.

Trump hates them because he receives so much money from big oil and gas, that's the only reason. And and because he is thick and doesn't understand them. 

I can understand the argument of people who say they are ugly on the horizon but I disagree and find them great to look at, even more so when you get up close. 



 

Don't know about wind farms but my solar panels failed after 3 years, and so did my inverter.

50,000bht loss

 

The replacement panels and inverter were much cheaper

20,000bht ........ I'm hoping these will last at least 3 years.

3 minutes ago, BKKKevin said:

Over a 10 year period...

No, it was a trillion over ten years. 

Just now, Yellowtail said:

No, it was a trillion over ten years. 

 

8 minutes ago, BKKKevin said:

 

Then have Battleships before Renewable Energy put on your tombstone so your great grandchildren know who to blame...

Battleships may be the reason my great grandchildren live in a prosperous and free USA.

2 minutes ago, BKKKevin said:

 

Sorry, my bad, the trillion includes "private" investment.

8 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Trump hates them because he receives so much money from big oil and gas, that's the only reason. And and because he is thick and doesn't understand them. 

Trump hates them because they are unsightly, inefficient, kill animals, raise the cost of electricity for Americans and require government subsidies to operate. Further offshore ones interfere with mammalian marine life, funny that thats never mentioned when the greenies screech about drilling for oil in caribou country.

 

He understands all of that. He doesnt need oil and gas money to get elected. He understands that the fuel to the greatest economy in the world is abundant and cheap energy. We have that. Not in solar farms and wind, both of which can play an unsubsidized role in the overall energy picture

 

Simple unless you are a brainwashed global warming screecher or obsessed Trump hater.

12 hours ago, blaze master said:

There is nothing clean about alternative energy. 

There's nothing right about alternative facts.

23 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Don't know about wind farms but my solar panels failed after 3 years, and so did my inverter.

50,000bht loss

 

The replacement panels and inverter were much cheaper

20,000bht ........ I'm hoping these will last at least 3 years.

Basically 1000 baht a month. What would your bill be if you didnt have it?

3 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

There's nothing right about alternative facts.

Alternative? Ever seen the pollution you get from solar panel factories LOL. Bet you have read nothing on the subject

Why is Trump killing off clean energy?

 

Because dirty energy is paying him to.

 

This is the reason Trump is killing these almost completed projects. It's all personal, as usual.

What a complete and utter moron.

 

'How Trump's loathing for wind turbines started with a Scottish court battle'

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c15l3knp4xyo

 

 

"When Trump bought the Menie estate, about eight miles north of Aberdeen, in 2006, he promised to create the "world's greatest" golf course.

But he soon became infuriated at plans to construct an offshore wind farm nearby, arguing that the "windmills" - as he prefers to call the structures - would ruin the view.

Trump battled the plans through the Scottish courts, then appealed to the UK's Supreme Court - but he was unable to stop the "monsters" from going ahead."

15 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Basically 1000 baht a month. What would your bill be if you didnt have it?

1600bht/month.

There is only one reason The Donald is against Wind power ,and

it's because out at ses ,in front of one of his golf courses in Scotland

is a wind farm , he was against it and lost , and because he is a big baby,

he really hates the windmills,  

 

regards worgeordie

10 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

This is the reason Trump is killing these almost completed projects. It's all personal, as usual.

What a complete and utter moron.

 

'How Trump's loathing for wind turbines started with a Scottish court battle'

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c15l3knp4xyo

 

 

"When Trump bought the Menie estate, about eight miles north of Aberdeen, in 2006, he promised to create the "world's greatest" golf course.

But he soon became infuriated at plans to construct an offshore wind farm nearby, arguing that the "windmills" - as he prefers to call the structures - would ruin the view.

Trump battled the plans through the Scottish courts, then appealed to the UK's Supreme Court - but he was unable to stop the "monsters" from going ahead."

Knowing the Donald, it is very likely the main reason! 

20 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Alternative? Ever seen the pollution you get from solar panel factories LOL. Bet you have read nothing on the subject

Well, I asked Grok (AI) about that and here's the conclusion:

Hope this clarifies things for you.

 

 

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Nuclear. Natural Gas. Hydrothermal. The cleanest and most efficient and cost effective.

 

Coal is fine too.

Yeah, coal is so fine!😂

 

Question posed to Grok (AI):

"Rank the different forms of energy production according to how much pollution they produce"

 

Answer:

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Yeah, coal is so fine!😂

 

Question posed to Grok (AI):

"Rank the different forms of energy production according to how much pollution they produce"

 

Answer:

 

 

 

 

I dont need AI to think for me. Better check the pollution maps LOL