6 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Of course it is baiting. A visit to some other topics will show what I would term a malicious intent. It isn't discussion, nor opinion, despite the attempt made to pass it as such. The attempt to twist the murder of Charlie Kirk into something it is not and to take the comment of his grieving widow out of context is offensive. Every proper Christian knows that in order for them to obtain the benefit of Grace and Salvation, Jesus had to die. For a Christian, his was the ultimate sacrifice, often termed a substitutionary atonement. He sacrificed himself, taking on all the sins of humanity so that humans would not suffer. His death was ordained and to say otherwise is to deny the faith.

There haven't been any reports of Israeli's implicated in petty crimes in Thailand for several months, while other nationalities have been a weekly feature. I expect that the hating brigade has a need to mention Israel or juden to satiate a blood lust. Rather tiresome. Malcolm would be proud.

When any other nationality is in the news, and being discussed, nobody reacts, and everyone can speak their minds within the rules of the forum, but at once a Jew is singled out, hells brakes loose, and it is hate speech? Tell me what is the difference between a Indian, Russian, Brit, Ozzy, Arab or any other nationality who gets some steam for bad behaving, or even internationals news.

Why does it have different rules for jews or Israelis? Isrealis is in the heat for what they do and not do! Simple as that, and on top of it, they have a very strong religion which have promises and their goverment execute actions, and their location, that influence many more people on this planet than just themselves.

What is the difference?

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

When any other nationality is in the news, and being discussed, nobody reacts, and everyone can speak their minds within the rules of the forum, but at once a Jew is singled out, hells brakes loose, and it is hate speech? Tell me what is the difference between a Indian, Russian, Brit, Ozzy, Arab or any other nationality who gets some steam for bad behaving, or even internationals news.

Why does it have different rules for jews or Israelis? Isrealis is in the heat for what they do and not do! Simple as that, and on top of it, they have a very strong religion which have promises and their goverment execute actions, and their location, that influence many more people on this planet than just themselves.

What is the difference?

Actually it's open season on attacking Jews these days. Nobody is gonna stop you.

17 hours ago, Hummin said:

We can be bickering about texts that do not exists in real time, so? As the story goes, Jesus was convicted because of blasphemy, accused by the Jews.

What really happened and who Jesus really was, we will never know. Even some people claims they know, we can for sure say nobody knows.

There is no historical proofs

On 2/21/2026 at 4:12 PM, MIke B Bad said:

Why don't Jews love Jesus, Mommy?

Having murdered him it would take some serious spin to get to......... 'they now love him'

Jews and Romans were the instrument, Jesus died for all mankind to save our souls if we believe, so we all killed him.

On 2/21/2026 at 10:12 AM, MIke B Bad said:

Why don't Jews love Jesus, Mommy?

Having murdered him it would take some serious spin to get to......... 'they now love him'

Sorry, but .. ifr Jezus exisats, and the story of the New Testament is true, only and only the Romans were guitly of executing that man. Jews were even not allowed to flock a person with 40 lashes, so they performed 40 - 1 = 39.

1 hour ago, Cory1848 said:

There’s plenty of evidence from historians of the period (Tacitus, Flavius Josephus, and others) t

That's a great name -- Flavius Josephus.

Fake news and fake historians have existed for a long time.

There are several arguments suggesting Jesus was fabricated.

For one thing, even AI admits that the Jesus story has an uncanny resemblance to a mythological god that existed long before Jesus.

Coincidence? Or did they just copy and paste it into the Bible and change the name?

26 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Actually it's open season on attacking Jews these days. Nobody is gonna stop you.

Where is my attack?

14 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

That's a great name -- Flavius Josephus.

Fake news and fake historians have existed for a long time.

There are several arguments suggesting Jesus was fabricated.

For one thing, even AI admits that the Jesus story has an uncanny resemblance to a mythological god that existed long before Jesus.

Coincidence? Or did they just copy and paste it into the Bible and change the name?

What you say makes no sense. The comparison with Dionysus discusses attributes of the mythologized Jesus -- the vast fictions that were written about him later. It has nothing to do with whether there was a human named Jesus of Nazareth who, for a brief time, was a bugbear to local Jewish authorities in Roman Judea. I have no argument with what Google AI says here, but it completely misses the point.

18 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

So, it was actully the Italians who killed Jesus .

They had the choice whether to kill him or not

18 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The Italians/Romans yes did kill him by nailing him on the cross but the Romans gave the crowd, being Jews, to decide which prisoner could be set free. It was the custom for the Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, to release one prisoner chosen by the crowd during the Passover festival.

Instead of selecting Jesus they chose a low level criminal instead being Barabbas, a "notorious prisoner" who had committed murder.

Pilate, the Roman governor, is described as wanting to release Jesus, he ultimately bowed to pressure to avoid a riot, formally handing Jesus over to be scourged and crucified by Roman soldiers.

In short it was the Jewish crowd that condoned and approved Jesus's death.

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3 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

whether there was a human named Jesus of Nazareth who, for a brief time, was a bugbear to local Jewish authorities in Roman Judea.

But that's not what people identify as Jesus.

And who cares if some hippie was challenging authority 2000 years ago? It has no relevance to anyone's life today. And any historical accounts are unreliable anyway.

It sounds like mostly mind control to me. The "son of God" was supposed to save us all from oppressive forces, but they kicked his head in. Just in case you forget who the boss is ... it's the guys with the biggest guns.

Kirk and his lovely wife are about as religious as Satan or the antichrist. Their professed religiosity is a money spinning enterprise.

If atheism was more profitable they would drop their pseudo religiousness in no time.

Almost worse than the orange retard, who saved Christmas, where everybody can see it's all BS.

Kirk /Scientology/the moonies etc, it's all a huge scam.

19 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

But that's not what people identify as Jesus.

And who cares if some hippie was challenging authority 2000 years ago? It has no relevance to anyone's life today. And any historical accounts are unreliable anyway.

It sounds like mostly mind control to me. The "son of God" was supposed to save us all from oppressive forces, but they kicked his head in. Just in case you forget who the boss is ... it's the guys with the biggest guns.

What historians identify as Jesus is just that -- the person, human just like you and me, who lived for some thirty years in Roman Judea and was executed. And you’re right, that should have no relevance to anyone’s life today, but given the subsequent growth of the Jesus cult, the actual facts of his life are necessarily of interest and relevance to scholarship.

 

The historical accounts that you dismiss are actually not as unreliable as you claim. Two millennia of scholarship have enabled researchers to gauge the reliability of historians such as Josephus, Tacitus, and others who wrote about Jesus, and the basic facts of Jesus’s life are pretty widely agreed upon, though details are thin. Simple common sense enables historians and others to distinguish between what’s clearly mythological and what might be real.

May as well have a laugh about it. Snowflakes don't watch.

22 hours ago, MIke B Bad said:

• Instigation: Jewish leadership accused and pressed Pilate.

• Decision & Execution: Rome judged, sentenced, and killed.

So in forensic terms: shared responsibility. The Jewish leaders acted as instigators; Rome had the choice and carried out the act.

Right using four contradictory accounts written more than forty years after the purported "events".

The various claims of the 4 accounts beginning with a virgin having a baby and the story's finale a guy rising from the dead.

Those are your historical documents.

The statements I made are known to be fact.

"Crucifixion was a Roman means of punishment.

I believe that a person sentenced to death by a Jewish court would be stoned."

On 2/22/2026 at 1:02 PM, Yagoda said:

I love the way the thought of Jewish people just consumes some of the lesser elements of society. Some folks always hate their betters.

People who talk about inferior people always remind me of the disgusting Nazi doctrine of the 1930s!

I guess I have to ask where do peope stand on the Goldilocks issue?

Why was Goldilocks never prosecuted for trespassing?

Did the three bears have something to hide and so were reluctant to call in the authorities?

These questions have never been answered satisfactorily.

I don't even believe Jesus existed, as nothing seems to have been written about him, while alive. Everything 30-50+ years AD. Nobody seems to find that strange.

Oh Jesus not this the Jews killed Christ dreck again!

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

I don't even believe Jesus existed, as nothing seems to have been written about him, while alive. Everything 30-50+ years AD. Nobody seems to find that strange.

You would think that the Roman courts would have written it down, and if it was that important, someone would have kept it. Still not buying the virgin birth story, regardless.

Mr. Believer: "Hey, I'm not saying that any old person was born of a virgin and rose from the dead.

I'm saying that Jesus of Nazareth was born of a virgin and rose from the dead.

And he is special."

Grown-ass adult: "Ok, but why is he special?"

Mr. Believer: "Because he was born of a virgin and rose from the dead."

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

When any other nationality is in the news, and being discussed, nobody reacts, and everyone can speak their minds within the rules of the forum, but at once a Jew is singled out, hells brakes loose, and it is hate speech? Tell me what is the difference between a Indian, Russian, Brit, Ozzy, Arab or any other nationality who gets some steam for bad behaving, or even internationals news.

Why does it have different rules for jews or Israelis? Isrealis is in the heat for what they do and not do! Simple as that, and on top of it, they have a very strong religion which have promises and their goverment execute actions, and their location, that influence many more people on this planet than just themselves.

What is the difference?

Maybe because this allegation was used as a pretext to persecute Jews for almost 2000 years?

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You have presented the antisemitic interpretation of what chosen people actually means Typical.

Well enlighten us with another interpretation of the chosen people.

7 hours ago, pomchop said:

The bigger question might be why do so many people in the world allow themselves to be brainwashed with myths. In many countries it starts with santa claus or the easter bunny or tooth faries....teach the kids that there is a big fat guy who flies around the world in a magic sled and delivers toys to all the good little boys and girls...or that the tooth fairy will sneak into your room and but a dollar under your pillow for a rotten tooth...or the easter bunny will bring you a chocolate egg?

Eventually most kids by ten or so figure out its all a load of lies but by then the churches have gotten hold of them to indoctrinate them on an even more fantasy myth about coming back from the dead, or virgins for martyrs or you name it. And for some inexpicable reason these kids who when they learned to think on their own rejected the fat guy in the magic sled buy into the bigger fantasies and then often hate those who don't believe any of it.

If you were born in america you most likely were indoctrinated christian....Iraq? Muslim. Thailand: Buddhist. Israel: Jewish. India: Hindu....where you born and raised ultimately generally determines which myths you are sold and which if any religion you are told is the one and true one and the rest are a load of baloney.

I for one wish that more people would simply follow the basics guidelines and just be a good person, not steal , kill, lie, cheat, do unto others, etc and the like and skip all the rest. Jews, muslims, christians have all been brainwashed one way or another and that has resulted in amazing number of wars, deaths, hatred that only seems to get worse and worse every year.

"In many countries it starts with santa claus or the easter bunny or tooth faries."

I have a vivid memory of 8 or 9 year old me walking to school by myself (Catholic school) and thinking "Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth fairy were all lies.. What about God and Jesus?" My next thought was along the lines of "Better not go there."

It took a few more years for the maturity to follow the thought to its conclusion.

As you indicate, (I will confine my thoughts to Christianity) it seems impossible that an adult would buy into the whole story of virgin birth and resurrection. It is fundamental that these things are presented to children who have no frame of reference.

The mental processes of Christian believers are frankly as unbelievable as the magical stories they buy into. I once read something by a Protestant Christian who wrote "I always find it laughable when I hear a Catholic say "I find that hard to believe". As if the whole Christian story wasn't obviously horse feathers. I believe the pertinent phrase is "straining at a gnat but swallowing a camel".

2 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Maybe because this allegation was used as a pretext to persecute Jews for almost 2000 years?

Every minority or belief system, gays, or anyone who went against the system have faced persecution?

Still it doesn't mean Israelis on behalf of a religion makes historically claims, that no other minority have been given ever in history, and continue to do exactly what was done against themselves.

There is no black and white, but claiming and living up to you are gods people will take a toll on every Jew wherever they are, with no exemption.

Ask a Muslim about how they being treated because what other Muslims do in Allahs name?

I'm asking what is the difference?

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Every minority or belief system, gays, or anyone who went against the system have faced persecution?

Still it doesn't mean Israelis on behalf of a religion makes historically claims, that no other minority have been given ever in history, and continue to do exactly what was done against themselves.

There is no black and white, but claiming and living up to you are gods people will take a toll on every Jew wherever they are, with no exemption.

Ask a Muslim about how they being treated because what other Muslims do in Allahs name?

I'm asking what is the difference?

Tucker Carlson style tactic.

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Tucker Carlson style tactic.

Really, and I despise Tucker Carlson. What I do not say, it is okay, what I say, it must be okay to discuss reasons why things happening, but I guess that isn't even on the table here! To touchy

16 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Really, and I despise Tucker Carlson. What I do not say, it is okay, what I say, it must be okay to discuss reasons why things happening, but I guess that isn't even on the table here! To touchy

2 hours ago, cdemundo said:

Right using four contradictory accounts written more than forty years after the purported "events".

The various claims of the 4 accounts beginning with a virgin having a baby and the story's finale a guy rising from the dead.

Those are your historical documents.

The statements I made are known to be fact.

"Crucifixion was a Roman means of punishment.

I believe that a person sentenced to death by a Jewish court would be stoned."

You don't understand "instigated" ?

31 minutes ago, Hummin said:

There is no black and white, but claiming and living up to you are gods people will take a toll on every Jew wherever they are, with no exemption.

In the days of Paganism , before Religion .

A tribe of people changed to believing in God and they believed that their tribe was chosen to believe in God .

Christians and Muslims came long 1000's of years later both believing that THEY were actually chosen to follow Gods words .

Jews, Christens and Muslims all believe that they are the people chosen to follow Gods instructions

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Every minority or belief system, gays, or anyone who went against the system have faced persecution?

Still it doesn't mean Israelis on behalf of a religion makes historically claims, that no other minority have been given ever in history, and continue to do exactly what was done against themselves.

There is no black and white, but claiming and living up to you are gods people will take a toll on every Jew wherever they are, with no exemption.

Ask a Muslim about how they being treated because what other Muslims do in Allahs name?

I'm asking what is the difference?

The difference is at least 8 million. That's the difference between the total number of Jews in the world and how many Jews live in Israel. In other words, stop equating Israeli Jews or Israel with all Jews.

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

In the days of Paganism , before Religion .

A tribe of people changed to believing in God and they believed that their tribe was chosen to believe in God .

Christians and Muslims came long 1000's of years later both believing that THEY were actually chosen to follow Gods words .

Jews, Christens and Muslims all believe that they are the people chosen to follow Gods instructions

The question is, when was this? What is the real year zero?