12 hours ago, riclag said:

This is what the international left supported & appeased, America/Israel and some other brave gulf states have had enough of years & years of the same ole same ole appeasement as this article calls out Iranian extortion tactics.

"The clerical dictatorship is again doing to the world economy what it has done for decades to people, governments and entire societies, taking hostages again.About one-fifth of the world’s oil and liquefied natural gas moves through that waterway. Reuters quoted the head of Kuwait Petroleum saying Iran was “holding the world’s economy hostage.”

https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/terrorism-a-fundamentalism/irans-regime-runs-on-extortion/

This is what the international left supported & appeased, America/Israel and some other brave gulf states have had enough of years & years of the same ole same ole appeasement as this article calls out Iranian extortion tactics.

"The clerical dictatorship is again doing to the world economy what it has done for decades to people, governments and entire societies, taking hostages again.About one-fifth of the world’s oil and liquefied natural gas moves through that waterway. Reuters quoted the head of Kuwait Petroleum saying Iran was “holding the world’s economy hostage.”

https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/terrorism-a-fundamentalism/irans-regime-runs-on-extortion/

Iran is at war. Having had its' military capabilities severely compromised it is using the other tools available to it i.e. economic. Why should that be a surprise?

That is not appeasement or an endorsement of the Iranian regime, it is merely what I consider to be a statement of the obvious

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Yes they have. The precedent was set in 1940 by the RAF.

The Battle of Britain was a very important victory in the fight against Germany - imo an essential one without which the outcome of WW2 may well have been different - but it certainly did not in itself win the war.

16 hours ago, Yagoda said:

What have we won? You are kidding right? You dont read the news?

We have destroyed 99 percent of their miliitary, we have them by the throat, their nukes and missiles are gone, their ability to project any power is finished and they are about to lose their oil and whatever little they have left. WE have COMPLETE AND UNCHALLENGED control of their airspace which means WE are the effective rulers of Iran, The Gulf states are essentially militarily allied with Israel and all the oil of those countries are in our sphere of influence even more. The Chinese generals, if they havent been purged, are staring wideeyed and rewriting their aggressive plans, or they should be. Israel has attacked Russias supply lines in the Caspian so thats ongoing. Anything that sticks it to Vlad is a win. Lets not even talk about the virtually casualty free target practice we have had as well as a way to test out our new weaponry.

What have we lost? A MONTH of higher gas prices, 13 heroes, a few Israeli Arab civilians and some poor souls in the Gulf.

No Iranbot or someone spewing Iranian propaganda here can dispute any of that.

For Iran, its Spring, 1945. Not Hanoi, 1968

complete and unchallenged control doesn't equate since they seem to be bombing pretty much every country in the region including all us airbases. Their use of drones has been pretty effective at carrying out their agenda of retaliation. Had no problem blowing up iron dome installations either. They have the Strait of Hormuz under their control. They continue to mock and challenge him and seem to have a plan that's working. Trump has been constantly lying about peace talks and Iran wanting to make him their supreme leader and 10 imaginary tankers coming to the USA as a gift, hahahaha. Its clear you support his bs too. But I guess none of that does match up with your reality, so you deflect and ignore facts and "trumpette" bs like your idol. too sad and pathetic that you're so easily fooled but since you seem to have his level of intelligence and lack of moral character it does fit you.

20 minutes ago, Dan O said:

But I guess none of that does match up with your reality, so you deflect and ignore facts and "trumpette" bs like your idol. too sad and pathetic that you're so easily fooled but since you seem to have his level of intelligence and lack of moral character it does fit you.

Oh I wouldn't get too worked up over him. Like the great conservative provocateur Rush Limbaugh used to say of himself, he's just "a harmless little fuzzball".

And if he is putting you in a "dispute this" tizzy, just click your heals together 3 times and say:

Comey is cooked

Comey is cooked

Comey is cooked *

... and it will all float away on a bubble. * per 04 NOV 2025

14 hours ago, Yagoda said:

So, is Iran winning or not ?

Yes.

13 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Deflecting again 5555555.

Now just as an aside, winning to me would be leveling of Tehran and plowing salt into the ruins, but times have changed and I think Trump has other plans.

Trump's got plans? Well, I'll be damned! Did he convey those plans to Pete, Marco and JD?🤣

More accidental truths from the demented one. The "laundry fire" on USS Gerald Ford? Yeah, it wasn't caused by "fluff buildup". It go hit, and hit hard. Most reports say it's out of commission for at least a year. At least that will give them time to unclog the crappers onboard. Every cloud, and so on.....

4 hours ago, RayC said:

Iran is at war. Having had its' military capabilities severely compromised it is using the other tools available to it i.e. economic. Why should that be a surprise?

That is not appeasement or an endorsement of the Iranian regime, it is merely what I consider to be a statement of the obvious

What it sounds like to me is you are recognizing a regime similar to 1930s Germany, Mao and Stalin. Those killed thousands or millions to keep control.Iran is at war and now uses economic tools after its military got hit. It is extorting the world that relies on oil.Common sense nations and past experts said they cannot have nukes period. The world is seeing in real time why diplomats reached that conclusion over the years.I am done with you.

16 minutes ago, riclag said:

What it sounds like to me is you are recognizing a regime similar to 1930s Germany, Mao and Stalin. Those killed thousands or millions to keep control.Iran is at war and now uses economic tools after its military got hit. It is extorting the world that relies on oil.Common sense nations and past experts said they cannot have nukes period. The world is seeing in real time why diplomats reached that conclusion over the years.I am done with you.

Wait. Are you blocking him too???

Hey, AN powers that be. Shouldn't there be a cap on the numbers of posters you're allowed to block?

Dear @Yagoda , if the US has won the war and Iran is down to 1% of it's former military strength, then why is Thailand asking Iran for permission?

Is it indeed possible that you're talking out of your derrière, and that Iran is calling the shots?

'Thailand says reached deal with Iran for vessels to transit Hormuz Strait'

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/thailand-strait-hormuz-deal-iran-ships-6022996

Donald J. Trump, making allies the world over.😂

PS. Those two deserve each other. Murderers and pedo rapists always get along so well.

1 hour ago, BLMFem said:

Trump's got plans? Well, I'll be damned! Did he convey those plans to Pete, Marco and JD?🤣

No,as per usual he has a concept of a plan,hahahahah. The village idiot could not plan his own dinner.

On 3/27/2026 at 4:30 AM, JerryM said:

why does the bien-pensant Left not care about the human rights of the oppressed Iranian people?

I think you will find that more civilians will be killed by bombing. Look at Gaza as an example. I don't see how anyone would think bombing them is the way to free people from oppression. It only kills more of them.

1 hour ago, JerryM said:

Oh I wouldn't get too worked up over him. Like the great conservative provocateur Rush Limbaugh used to say of himself, he's just "a harmless little fuzzball".

And if he is putting you in a "dispute this" tizzy, just click your heals together 3 times and say:

Comey is cooked

Comey is cooked

Comey is cooked *

... and it will all float away on a bubble. * per 04 NOV 20

35 minutes ago, riclag said:

What it sounds like to me is you are recognizing a regime similar to 1930s Germany, Mao and Stalin. Those killed thousands or millions to keep control.Iran is at war and now uses economic tools after its military got hit. It is extorting the world that relies on oil.Common sense nations and past experts said they cannot have nukes period. The world is seeing in real time why diplomats reached that conclusion over the years.I am done with you.

No what it sounds like is he was accurate in his statement and you in typical fashion have no grasp of facts or reality as your blinded by a demented ignorant moron.

2 hours ago, JerryM said:

Oh I wouldn't get too worked up over him. Like the great conservative provocateur Rush Limbaugh used to say of himself, he's just "a harmless little fuzzball".

And if he is putting you in a "dispute this" tizzy, just click your heals together 3 times and say:

Comey is cooked

Comey is cooked

Comey is cooked *

... and it will all float away on a bubble. * per 04 NOV 2025

nope just stating facts but you can read it anyway that makes you feel better.

2 minutes ago, Dan O said:

nope just stating facts but you can read it anyway that makes you feel better.

That's very nice of you . I have been on the receiving end from him often enough.

It seems Marco is confirming that Iran might very well end up winning this war. Pretty amazing for a country that has been wiped out militarily.....

5 hours ago, RayC said:

The Battle of Britain was a very important victory in the fight against Germany - imo an essential one without which the outcome of WW2 may well have been different - but it certainly did not in itself win the war.

The claim that prompted me to cite the RAF was this : Wars have never been won by creating no-fly zones, having air superiority due to 'modern air power' or obliterating countries with bombs and drones alone.

A direct result of the Battle of Britain being effectively won by the RAF, was that Hitler abandoned his plan to invade. Instead he sent his armies east. After initial success against Russia, the German axis was stopped before Moscow, then slowly ground down around Stalingrad, and by early 1943 it was depleted so much that retreat was the only option. The Germans never really recovered after that and with the USA now involved, they were done.

So, in this case I would say that the war was won due to the RAF victory domino, because if Germany had occupied the UK, then the British would not have been able to fight in North Africa and Americans would not have had the UK to use as a staging post to use as a launch pad to send their army into continental Europe.

6 hours ago, RayC said:

It is absolutely possible that the IAEA was hoodwinked but it falls on those making the accusation to prove it, something that imo the article to which you linked fails to do. The evidence provided is, at best, circumstantial e.g. the finding of written documentation and, at worse, irrelevant e.g. the views of the US public about JCPOA.

I think that the real "evidence" would be good to see but I guess that is unlikely to happen. However, if Iran is truly building a bomb then is it worth the risk of countering that possibility with inaction?

15 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The claim that prompted me to cite the RAF was this : Wars have never been won by creating no-fly zones, having air superiority due to 'modern air power' or obliterating countries with bombs and drones alone.

A direct result of the Battle of Britain being effectively won by the RAF, was that Hitler abandoned his plan to invade. Instead he sent his armies east. After initial success against Russia, the German axis was stopped before Moscow, then slowly ground down around Stalingrad, and by early 1943 it was depleted so much that retreat was the only option. The Germans never really recovered after that and with the USA now involved, they were done.

So, in this case I would say that the war was won due to the RAF victory domino, because if Germany had occupied the UK, then the British would not have been able to fight in North Africa and Americans would not have had the UK to use as a staging post to use as a launch pad to send their army into continental Europe.

I think that the observation goes more like this: Wars have never been won by air power alone.

29 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

I think that the observation goes more like this: Wars have never been won by air power alone.

The observation?

37 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I think that the real "evidence" would be good to see but I guess that is unlikely to happen. However, if Iran is truly building a bomb then is it worth the risk of countering that possibility with inaction?

But going that avenue also has its' dangers: We can't prove X but we're pretty sure that it's happening, therefore we are going to war, force regime change, etc.

No easy answers but I don't buy this idea being implied by some (not you) that Trump is some sort of knight in shining armour who is saving the world.

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The observation?

"a remark, statement, or comment based on something one has seen, heard, or noticed."

In this case it has been noticed that air power alone doesn't win wars.

20 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

"a remark, statement, or comment based on something one has seen, heard, or noticed."

In this case it has been noticed that air power alone doesn't win wars.

By some...

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

By some...

You've yet to cite a case where air power alone has won a war

Meanwhile, bad grandpa continues to get his emotional support from Putin.

1 hour ago, riclag said:

What it sounds like to me is you are recognizing a regime similar to 1930s Germany, Mao and Stalin. Those killed thousands or millions to keep control.Iran is at war and now uses economic tools after its military got hit. It is extorting the world that relies on oil.Common sense nations and past experts said they cannot have nukes period. The world is seeing in real time why diplomats reached that conclusion over the years.I am done with you.

In that case, I guess that I get the final word in our exchange.

This Iranian regime may be similar to Nazi Germany, Mao's China and Stalin's Russia in having a disregard for human life in order to retain power. If so, then it shares that trait with a number of other recent dictators e.g Videla, Allende, Batista, Marcos, etc. Many of these dictators were recognised by the US, Indeed many were installed - at the expense of the democratically elected government - with the support of the US.

You keep trying to claim the moral high ground for Trump/ the US in this war when it simply doesn't exist.

MAGA, it's over. Even Joe Rogan wants out.😆

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

In that case, I guess that I get the final word in our exchange.

This Iranian regime may be similar to Nazi Germany, Mao's China and Stalin's Russia in having a disregard for human life in order to retain power. If so, then it shares that trait with a number of other recent dictators e.g Videla, Allende, Batista, Marcos, etc. Many of these dictators were recognised by the US, Indeed many were installed - at the expense of the democratically elected government - with the support of the US.

You keep trying to claim the moral high ground for Trump/ the US in this war when it simply doesn't exist.

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

In that case, I guess that I get the final word in our exchange.

Thats right. Common sense prevails. Never argue with someone who insists on defending a regime that chants Death to America, runs terror proxies, kills its own people, and pushes for nukes while calling it just "the obvious".