Scored Some Pure !

[RED21]

The engine does sound better on PURE. My bike is now running purely on pure PURE since I've filled up at the same PURE station three times in a row (wow that's so many "pures" in a sentence, pardon the attempts at levity- I couldn't resist, been writing a boring training manual the whole day ).

In case everyone gets the wanderlust up north, the station is a bit further from Mae Rim going towards Chiang Dao a few kms before the intersection to Rajabhat. Yes, the station does look a bit run down compared to the Shell and PTT stations on the opposite side of the road further along the way.

[wantan]

Edit: The Shell on Huay Kaew doesn't have any 91 benzine. It's all gasohol... at least it was last I checked. So if you did get 91, that was Shell's "fuel saver" gasohol 91.

This would explain a lot. As wana said before: Gasohol is EVIL

Talking to yourself again Wana-tan? There's nothing wrong with gasohol if you use it in a vehicle that's designed to run on it.

Having your daily delusion again? I don't want to drive through monocultures just to feed your supermodern bikes. But the really bad thing with gasohol is that most bikes owned by the people in LOS are not designed for it :sleepy:

[BigBikeBKK]

Edit: The Shell on Huay Kaew doesn't have any 91 benzine. It's all gasohol... at least it was last I checked. So if you did get 91, that was Shell's "fuel saver" gasohol 91.

This would explain a lot. As wana said before: Gasohol is EVIL

Talking to yourself again Wana-tan? There's nothing wrong with gasohol if you use it in a vehicle that's designed to run on it.

Having your daily delusion again? I don't want to drive through monocultures just to feed your supermodern bikes. But the really bad thing with gasohol is that most bikes owned by the people in LOS are not designed for it :sleepy:

<deleted> is a "drive through monoculture"?!

You're talking out your a$$ again- pretty much every vehicle built after 1997 can run on E10 gasohol. And benzene 91 is still easy to find for folks who have vehicles that are not designed to run on gasohol, so your comment about "gasohol is evil" is, as usual, complete nonsense.

[wantan]

<deleted> is a "drive through monoculture"?!

I should have known that this would overstress your brain. Sorry, better forget it. Of course you are right, Gasohol is produced with a mixer tap.

You're talking out your a$ again- pretty much every vehicle built after 1997 can run on E10 gasohol. And benzene 91 is still easy to find for folks who have vehicles that are not designed to run on gasohol, so your comment about "gasohol is evil" is, as usual, complete nonsense.

This is not worth a comment. But it proofs that "having many posts" and "having knowledge about bikes" is not always the same.

[KRS1]

^^ Re: Shell. I asked. You can also just check the price - if it costs almost the same as 91 benzine at PTT, it's benzine. If it costs less, it's gasohol.

Come to think of it I had 91 gasohol in there - Petronas, I think.

Yeah i asked four people and two just said gasohol 95 was the equivalent. Another two just reach for a nozzle when i ask for benzine, plus there's no mention of benzine on the sign out front. They got a nervous confused look whenever i asked.

I went through about 8 tanks of it in my CBR before figuring out i was being tricked into buying it. Switched to PTT after that then Petronas....Wish i could get PURE everytime, but the location doesnt really allow it for every fill up, although i was thinking of strapping a 5 gallon can to the bike and filling that up to avoid driving back for every tank.

[KRS1]

The engine does sound better on PURE. My bike is now running purely on pure PURE since I've filled up at the same PURE station three times in a row (wow that's so many "pures" in a sentence, pardon the attempts at levity- I couldn't resist, been writing a boring training manual the whole day ).

In case everyone gets the wanderlust up north, the station is a bit further from Mae Rim going towards Chiang Dao a few kms before the intersection to Rajabhat. Yes, the station does look a bit run down compared to the Shell and PTT stations on the opposite side of the road further along the way.

Cool, hows the engine running? My bike revs up and peaks a lot stronger on it.

Just a thought, the CBR 150 has a high compression ratio 11:1, anyone know what the Versys and Phantoms are?

[BigBikeBKK]

The engine does sound better on PURE. My bike is now running purely on pure PURE since I've filled up at the same PURE station three times in a row (wow that's so many "pures" in a sentence, pardon the attempts at levity- I couldn't resist, been writing a boring training manual the whole day ).

In case everyone gets the wanderlust up north, the station is a bit further from Mae Rim going towards Chiang Dao a few kms before the intersection to Rajabhat. Yes, the station does look a bit run down compared to the Shell and PTT stations on the opposite side of the road further along the way.

Cool, hows the engine running? My bike revs up and peaks a lot stronger on it.

Just a thought, the CBR 150 has a high compression ratio 11:1, anyone know what the Versys and Phantoms are?

Not sure I'd call 11:1 "high compression". The Versys is 11.3:1 and runs just fine on 91 octane. Put high octane gas in an engine designed for lower octane fuel is a waste of money. My Gixxer's compression is 12.5:1 and it definitely requires high octane.

[VocalNeal]

10:1 or higher seems quite common now whereas it used to be considered high.

Compression ratio does have an effect on detonation but so does combustion chamber design, grade of spark plug, carbon deposits etc. Air cooled engines run hotter so are more prone to it. That is why most air cooled engines run lower compression. Like PCX at 11.xx and PGO 150 at 9.xx

Use whatever fuel the book says.

Edited October 12, 2011 by VocalNeal

[aitch52]

Hi guys, I'll try and keep this simple, on my 4th top up of Pure. I have owned my Phantom from new, it has only ever had 91 benzine in the tank. Top speed is up, feels as if it has more torque. The bike is running better than it ever has. Always had to use choke to start first thing in the morning, now starts with out the choke. Very happy with the performance on Pure amd it will be my first choice in the future.

[Spoonman]

Hi guys, I'll try and keep this simple, on my 4th top up of Pure. I have owned my Phantom from new, it has only ever had 91 benzine in the tank. Top speed is up

Top speed is up because you are revving the bike harder, be-careful with that as I would be amused to see a "Pure is crap because it blew up my ride" thread.

[aitch52]

Wrong spoonman, if you read the thread then in an earlier post you would have noticed throttle settings are lower on Pure. Simple guide for posting on here, engage brain, type, check, post. In my opinion, my bike runs much sweeter and is performing so well in many parameters, if you or others cannot accept that, well boogaloo. If a blown engine amuses you then you are not the type of bloke I would wish to socialise with.

[KRS1]

Just wait till you try a NGK Platinum sparkplug. Only 80 baht.

[wantan]

Wrong spoonman, if you read the thread then in an earlier post you would have noticed throttle settings are lower on Pure. Simple guide for posting on here, engage brain, type, check, post. In my opinion, my bike runs much sweeter and is performing so well in many parameters, if you or others cannot accept that, well boogaloo.  If a blown engine amuses you then you are not the type of bloke I would wish to socialise with.

"runs sweeter", "performs better", "sounds faster", ...

One thing is for sure. If i ever come across a Pure station i will stop and fill up, as i am curious now. Maybe my Boxer will sound faster too? But i hope i will not need a new sparkplug for this

[BigBikeBKK]

Hi guys, I'll try and keep this simple, on my 4th top up of Pure. I have owned my Phantom from new, it has only ever had 91 benzine in the tank. Top speed is up, feels as if it has more torque. The bike is running better than it ever has. Always had to use choke to start first thing in the morning, now starts with out the choke. Very happy with the performance on Pure amd it will be my first choice in the future.

"Speed" and "Phantom" don't really belong in the same sentence...

[Spoonman]

Wrong spoonman, if you read the thread then in an earlier post you would have noticed throttle settings are lower on Pure. Simple guide for posting on here, engage brain, type, check, post. In my opinion, my bike runs much sweeter and is performing so well in many parameters, if you or others cannot accept that, well boogaloo. If a blown engine amuses you then you are not the type of bloke I would wish to socialise with.

You are claiming a better top speed, please engage your brain and tell me how this is possible without increasing engine revolutions (or changing sprockets), I assume you understand how gearing works.

Edited October 12, 2011 by Spoonman

[Shocktreatment]

Wrong spoonman, if you read the thread then in an earlier post you would have noticed throttle settings are lower on Pure. Simple guide for posting on here, engage brain, type, check, post. In my opinion, my bike runs much sweeter and is performing so well in many parameters, if you or others cannot accept that, well boogaloo. If a blown engine amuses you then you are not the type of bloke I would wish to socialise with.

You are claiming a better top speed, please engage your brain and tell me how this is possible without increasing engine revolutions (or changing sprockets), I assume you understand how gearing works.

I would answer that but I guess I would be wasting my time, I do get a good laugh out of a lot of you guys.

[Semper]

Hi guys, I'll try and keep this simple, on my 4th top up of Pure. I have owned my Phantom from new, it has only ever had 91 benzine in the tank. Top speed is up

Top speed is up because you are revving the bike harder, be-careful with that as I would be amused to see a "Pure is crap because it blew up my ride" thread.

Don't think one can over-rev a Phantom in top gear.

[aitch52]

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit chaps, although I must admit to using it myself frequently. Yes I am aware of gearing Spoonman, after 38 years working on mechanical systems, I have just about got the hang of it. So how about this Mr Potato head, is it just possible that the mixture in the combustion chamber is burning more efficiently than the other brands? More bang for your buck at whatever RPM you happen to be doing at the time. That wil produce more of the T word which is transferred to the gearbox and ultimately to the rear wheel via the chain thingy. Yes Tony I am aware of the low esteem in which the Phantom is held but the Phantom has been a phenominal phorm of phucking transport for me. Incidentally I did a rough check on kms per litre on the lsst fill up 34.5 per litre, which is roughly the mileage claimed. KSR thsnks again for a good steer m8,wil be trying the NGK forthwith. Take care guys, happy and safe trailstrails.tr

[aitch52]

Tried to edit but this phone is too complicated for an old technophobe. Apologise for the errors above.

[Spoonman]

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit chaps, although I must admit to using it myself frequently. Yes I am aware of gearing Spoonman, after 38 years working on mechanical systems, I have just about got the hang of it. So how about this Mr Potato head, is it just possible that the mixture in the combustion chamber is burning more efficiently than the other brands? More bang for your buck at whatever RPM you happen to be doing at the time. That wil produce more of the T word which is transferred to the gearbox and ultimately to the rear wheel via the chain thingy. Yes Tony I am aware of the low esteem in which the Phantom is held but the Phantom has been a phenominal phorm of phucking transport for me. Incidentally I did a rough check on kms per litre on the lsst fill up 34.5 per litre, which is roughly the mileage claimed. KSR thsnks again for a good steer m8,wil be trying the NGK forthwith. Take care guys, happy and safe trailstrails.tr

Yes I too understand gearing and torque multiplication however none of your post alludes to how a higher top speed is attained (At same RPM) without a gear ratio change.

[thaicbr]

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit chaps, although I must admit to using it myself frequently. Yes I am aware of gearing Spoonman, after 38 years working on mechanical systems, I have just about got the hang of it. So how about this Mr Potato head, is it just possible that the mixture in the combustion chamber is burning more efficiently than the other brands? More bang for your buck at whatever RPM you happen to be doing at the time. That wil produce more of the T word which is transferred to the gearbox and ultimately to the rear wheel via the chain thingy. Yes Tony I am aware of the low esteem in which the Phantom is held but the Phantom has been a phenominal phorm of phucking transport for me. Incidentally I did a rough check on kms per litre on the lsst fill up 34.5 per litre, which is roughly the mileage claimed. KSR thsnks again for a good steer m8,wil be trying the NGK forthwith. Take care guys, happy and safe trailstrails.tr

Yes I too understand gearing and torque multiplication however none of your post alludes to how a higher top speed is attained (At same RPM) without a gear ratio change.

I know how.................................................it's PURE magic

[VocalNeal]

Don't think one can over-rev a Phantom in top gear.

Correct they have a built in rev limiter.

(Oops sarcasm again.)

[KRS1]

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit chaps, although I must admit to using it myself frequently. Yes I am aware of gearing Spoonman, after 38 years working on mechanical systems, I have just about got the hang of it. So how about this Mr Potato head, is it just possible that the mixture in the combustion chamber is burning more efficiently than the other brands? More bang for your buck at whatever RPM you happen to be doing at the time. That wil produce more of the T word which is transferred to the gearbox and ultimately to the rear wheel via the chain thingy. Yes Tony I am aware of the low esteem in which the Phantom is held but the Phantom has been a phenominal phorm of phucking transport for me. Incidentally I did a rough check on kms per litre on the lsst fill up 34.5 per litre, which is roughly the mileage claimed. KSR thsnks again for a good steer m8,wil be trying the NGK forthwith. Take care guys, happy and safe trailstrails.tr

I was going to say something similiar but hesistant, but you've verified it also. I got 300 kilometers with Caltex 91 benzine two tanks ago, the following tank of PURE gave me 370 kilometers. :jap:

Ready to get flamed for my non scientific evaluation without dyno...

Just a thought, maybe its possible that the viscosity of PURE is thinner allowing for better atomization of the fuel for better combustion. So maybe fuel injected bikes are seeing less gains because the injectors do a better job of atomizing the fuel instead of carbs?

[Spoonman]

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit chaps, although I must admit to using it myself frequently. Yes I am aware of gearing Spoonman, after 38 years working on mechanical systems, I have just about got the hang of it. So how about this Mr Potato head, is it just possible that the mixture in the combustion chamber is burning more efficiently than the other brands? More bang for your buck at whatever RPM you happen to be doing at the time. That wil produce more of the T word which is transferred to the gearbox and ultimately to the rear wheel via the chain thingy. Yes Tony I am aware of the low esteem in which the Phantom is held but the Phantom has been a phenominal phorm of phucking transport for me. Incidentally I did a rough check on kms per litre on the lsst fill up 34.5 per litre, which is roughly the mileage claimed. KSR thsnks again for a good steer m8,wil be trying the NGK forthwith. Take care guys, happy and safe trailstrails.tr

Yes I too understand gearing and torque multiplication however none of your post alludes to how a higher top speed is attained (At same RPM) without a gear ratio change.

I know how.................................................it's PURE magic

It's PURE bullshit that's what it is.

[VocalNeal]

Ready to get flamed for my non scientific evaluation without dyno...

If you really want to do it scientifically you simply need to ensure the tank is full to the brim and run the bike until the engine stops and you have to switch to reserve, if you have one. That and making sure the roads are similar. If you commute on the bike perfect.

Who cares. I don't. If you are happier using Pure then carry on.

Some guys swear by certain brands of oil. There often is no scientific reasoning behind such product loyalty.

The only thing that would be silly would be riding too far out of your way to get Pure, unless that was part of the ride

[aitch52]

Again spoonman you resort to profanity, read the thread and msybe you will understand. I was struggling to think of what to cook for dinner and eureka! An adjective that describes you perfectly has provided inspiration RISSOLES.

[Spoonman]

Hi guys, I'll try and keep this simple, on my 4th top up of Pure. I have owned my Phantom from new, it has only ever had 91 benzine in the tank. Top speed is up, feels as if it has more torque. The bike is running better than it ever has. Always had to use choke to start first thing in the morning, now starts with out the choke. Very happy with the performance on Pure amd it will be my first choice in the future.

Again spoonman you resort to profanity, read the thread and msybe you will understand. I was struggling to think of what to cook for dinner and eureka! An adjective that describes you perfectly has provided inspiration RISSOLES.

Unless you have changed sprockets a higher top speed can only be achieved by revving the bike harder, which you claim you do not. So please humour me and explain how more Torque gives you a higher top speed, my guess is that you will choose not to answer this once again.

[aitch52]

The bike is 4 and a half years old. New, it could get up to 130 kph no problem. Over the years top speed had reduced to 124 kph, as I don't thrash the bike I haven't been flat out that often. To get to that speed (124) recently, needed full throttle. As Vocal Neal correctly stated there is a rev limiter, it has operated a couple of times on my machine at about that speed (124). Now the bike accelerates to 130 and maintains that speed at about three quarter throttle. No doubt it will go faster than that, but the Phantom riding position is crap for speeds above 120.

In the past year or so I have replaced the chain and sprockets using Honda replacements and kept the sprocket ratios the same, 13 - 41 if memory serves me correct. It has had new wheel bearings front and rear, rear brake master cylinder and cleaned the carb, last month I had a new spark plug and air filter fitted also.

I think it is just more efficient combustion, KRS had a thought that it may have a lower viscosity allowing for cleaner and more efficient atomisation of the fuel, could be.

This combustion process has not increased the design torque of the bike, just restored it to what it should be, giving my bike a higher top speed than it could achieve recently on a different brand of fuel.

I am very happy using Pure, I am fortunate in that I have a station nearby and will be using it in the future.

There you go Mr Spoonman, that is my last word on this subject which seems to have aroused such hostility. Happy and Safe Trails and be careful out there fellow bikers no matter what your ride is..

Edited October 13, 2011 by aitch52

[Spoonman]

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha.

[KRS1]

Ready to get flamed for my non scientific evaluation without dyno...

If you really want to do it scientifically you simply need to ensure the tank is full to the brim and run the bike until the engine stops and you have to switch to reserve, if you have one. That and making sure the roads are similar. If you commute on the bike perfect.

Who cares. I don't. If you are happier using Pure then carry on.

Some guys swear by certain brands of oil. There often is no scientific reasoning behind such product loyalty.

The only thing that would be silly would be riding too far out of your way to get Pure, unless that was part of the ride

It's a nice ride ! So i don't mind. The immediate road outside of the gas station is also uphill.