2013 Kawasaki Ninjette 250 Breaks Cover!

[mania]

I like the red and black in the second set of pics, looks kind of like the ER6 red from a couple of years ago. It looks more orange in the first set of pictures.

Seems like quite a jump in HP for just 50cc extra. That must be measured at the crank but isn't that almost a 25% increase over the 250?

Yeah that does look less orange than teh Japan pic.

On power yes that is crank HP #s

Actual rear wheel is around 35 & they are hitting 40 now with EFI controller & pipe from area P

First graph is stock baseline

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Then with pipe etc.

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[macknife]

As it's the same model as the 250 I wonder if we can just swap the engine for 20K.

[mania]

This RSV Racing in Thailand do some beautiful work.

Rearsets, sliders etc.

Now they have this Ninja 250/300 swingarm in black or silver for 7500 baht

Very nice work & I bet it is stiff as heck

Kawasaki should have done this themselves although maybe they figured overkill

[mania]

As it's the same model as the 250 I wonder if we can just swap the engine for 20K.

For sure you can swap engines but 20k maybe not quite enough baht heheh

Although the way the young Thai's crash these things it would be interesting to get in with a insurance company & claim the

first total if the engine is ok.

Then swap your side case with your serial number onto the new engine & done

I had said already I like the 250 Bore & stroke wise but one thing I was curious about is whether this slipper clutch

is a direct fit? That would be an interesting upgrade that may not cost much.

I have been noticing parts for the Ninja here are about a third of what the US charges so there is one small benefit

to being where they manufacture

I recently had to buy a new speedo unit & it was 5k baht

In the USA they want close to 600 USD or 18,500 baht

[KRS1]

if i had a 2013 N250 id be really pissed

[KRS1]

if i had a 2013 N250 id be really pissed

[Salapoo]

I have been noticing parts for the Ninja here are about a third of what the US charges so there is one small benefit

to being where they manufacture

I recently had to buy a new speedo unit & it was 5k baht

In the USA they want close to 600 USD or 18,500 baht

For the N250 or another bike?

[macknife]

if i had a 2013 N250 id be really pissed

For me, not really. I'm very happy with my new model 250 it's just 50cc more. Had the 300 only been available at 182,500B I probably would have went for the CBR500. The 158,000B that I paid was considerably less than the CBR and that made the difference for me. I have no regrets.

Just think of the poor sods that bought the 2012 ninja, now they must be really really pissed.

[macknife]

if i had a 2013 N250 id be really pissed

For me, not really. I'm very happy with my new model 250 it's just 50cc more. Had the 300 only been available at 182,500B I probably would have went for the CBR500. The 158,000B that I paid was considerably less than the CBR and that made the difference for me. I have no regrets.

Just think of the poor sods that bought the 2012 ninja, now they must be really really pissed.

[mania]

I have been noticing parts for the Ninja here are about a third of what the US charges so there is one small benefit

to being where they manufacture

I recently had to buy a new speedo unit & it was 5k baht

In the USA they want close to 600 USD or 18,500 baht

For the N250 or another bike?

Yes for my 2013 N250

[mania]

if i had a 2013 N250 id be really pissed

For me, not really. I'm very happy with my new model 250 it's just 50cc more. Had the 300 only been available at 182,500B I probably would have went for the CBR500. The 158,000B that I paid was considerably less than the CBR and that made the difference for me. I have no regrets.

Just think of the poor sods that bought the 2012 ninja, now they must be really really pissed.

Tell you the truth me too

Because like you I paid 158k since I bought in December before the tax increase.

But also like I have said many times this engine has a characteristic I like

I like it as far away from squared as possible & this 250 is equal to the 600RR

or KTM 390 in that respect but of course less HP

[wantan]

Sorry, wrong thread

Edited July 24, 2013 by wantan

[KRS1]

That difference in 50cc, plus the extra torque is going to be a big difference.

I stroked out a CBR 150 by 6mm once and the difference was quite noticeable. Wheelies off the line, and top speed of 160kph (speedo, opposed to 140kph)

[KRS1]

double post

Edited July 25, 2013 by KRS1

[Gomyway]

This RSV Racing in Thailand do some beautiful work.

Rearsets, sliders etc.

Now they have this Ninja 250/300 swingarm in black or silver for 7500 baht

Very nice work & I bet it is stiff as heck

Kawasaki should have done this themselves although maybe they figured overkill

A nice swing arm but please take a look at my swing arm where I'd mark in red the spot where the bracket for the brake gets pushed in.

With this swing arm you need to create your own bracket.

[mania]

A nice swing arm but please take a look at my swing arm where I'd mark in red the spot where the bracket for the brake gets pushed in.

With this swing arm you need to create your own bracket.

I am thinking it may be different on the 2013 model Gomyway

See this pic shows the stud & you can barely see the threaded hole below it.

Then see the parts blowup for the 2013 250/300

It has a plate part# 43034 that bolts there on the stud & threaded hole

Then I believe the caliper bolts to it.

I will look at mine tomorrow to check

Edited July 25, 2013 by mania

[Gomyway]

When I look at the given informations then the bracket from the 2009 250 and to the 2013 300 Ninja the bracket is the same.

Look here for the 300 http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/50aa3891f8700226a4146686/rear-brake

and here for the 250 http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/500b656ef8700223e4797614/rear-brake

The partno. is the same for both: 43034-0021-18R

[mania]

When I look at the given informations then the bracket from the 2009 250 and to the 2013 300 Ninja the bracket is the same.

Look here for the 300 http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/50aa3891f8700226a4146686/rear-brake

and here for the 250 http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/500b656ef8700223e4797614/rear-brake

The partno. is the same for both: 43034-0021-18R

Good eye Gromyway

I will wonder know how they expect to sell this swingarm

I wonder if that is why we have not seen a picture of the swingarm on a bike?

Odd

Will take a look tomorrow too at mine when I change the fork springs

PS: I just looked at the stock swingarm blowup & your right

there is a bracket there isn't there?

Edited July 25, 2013 by mania

[mania]

A nice swing arm but please take a look at my swing arm where I'd mark in red the spot where the bracket for the brake gets pushed in.

With this swing arm you need to create your own bracket.

Right again Gomyway

Chain looks close?

[Gomyway]

Wow Mania,

just installed software and thought I take a last look and now you make me envious - this looks really good and I think you're right about the chain.

If they'd offer this when I've been looking for could safe me many money and they even have the bracket for the Brembo caliper.

That's life - you're always one step to late or just that step in front of some occasions.

And you know what, even in black it's looking good.

Now I better step out before I start thinking of...

But one thing I just remember, if you think about getting a spring for your rear shock.

Before I bought the shock from YSS I'd install the Hyperpro progressive spring. The oem spring rate is 93 n/mm and the Hyperpro is 87 up to 120 n/mm, so it is more stiff when compressed.

Today I'd take a look about the slipper clutch from the 300 and I carefully would say it looks like that it should fit the 250 also.

The price for all parts at KawasakiPartsHouse is 700 USD what means around 20,000 THB but the parts here normally cost less so maybe its only 15,000 THB.

[mania]

Thanks for the info on the rear spring Gomyway!

Many USA folks are dropping in a used GSXR 600 I think shock too & say it is a perfect fit.

On the swingarm I am asking them about that bracket now

as to what the price is. They say 7500 swingarm & I think 2500 bracket?

But that sounds high considering they sell the whole swingarm for 7500

so I am asking to double check they understand what I am asking.

Hey interesting about the clutch & I thought the same looking at the parts manual & service manual.

Price might even be better than you think here

Reason I say that is I just bought a new speedometer unit

the US price was $574

But only 5000 baht here so quite a bit less

Maybe a benefit of being here near manufacture. But I also have been seeing many Thai's thinking the same thing

on the Thai sites So slipper clutch parts stock may run low

Oh btw: they said the picture of chain clearance is due to camera angle & assure there is

plenty of space.

Edited July 27, 2013 by mania

[taninthai]

obviously a much better rider than the others but interesting watching the lines and braking

[mania]

Skies cleared enough here today to try a ride to test the new

85kg Sonic fork springs & oil change

I am very very impressed!

It has really transformed the bikes handling. I knew the old was way too soft but did not expect or remember

what a good front felt like. Amazing difference!

No diving nose on braking or engine braking now. Mid turn no wallowing before getting back on the throttle.

Downhill & uphill hairpin turns are a thing of beauty now

Especially the steep downhill hairpins which we have some of here. Because now the front is actually still working

& not collapsed even though it is loaded with the weight shift caused by the downhill.

Overall the chassis is just so much more settled now in the twistys

Very impressed with this upgrade! It is as drastic or more than changing to the Pirelli tires as far as handling is concerned.

Think I can actually go up a click on the rear preload now & still be very balanced suspension wise. Before I was thinking I should drop it

softer a click just to try & balance the old mushy settings. It is on the 2nd from softest now so I have some room. ( 3 more clicks )

Better yet would be a new heavier rear spring that allows it to stay at the longer stroke but have a stiffer rate.

Brakes & lines next

Edited July 31, 2013 by mania

[macknife]

How much was it and can they got here?

[mania]

How much was it and can they got here?

I ordered from Sonic Spring direct

http://www.sonicsprings.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=29_59&osCsid=2cabfd0eef9cf858b7a38b859781fdb1

$80 USD + 42 shipping USPS Priority Air Mail

Then Thai customs hit it for 673 baht customs charge on arrival

I went with 85kg springs

Install was another 1400 baht which included the 15w fork oil

So about $190 or around 5900 baht all together.

Another good company is Race Tech but Rich at Sonic does a good job.

Although you can use the weight calculators at both sites to see what you need

http://www.sonicsprings.com/catalog/calculate_spring_rate.php?osCsid=2cabfd0eef9cf858b7a38b859781fdb1

http://racetech.com/ProductSearch/2/Kawasaki/EX250%20Ninja%20250R/2008-12

The only springs available here in Thailand are progressive springs from folks like Hyperpro

I dont like/want progressive springs. I like something that is constant rate & geared to me specifically.

Some folks like progressive though

Edited July 31, 2013 by mania

[mania]

My new replacement speedo came in today.

The good.....
1- it is way cheaper to buy parts here
This part is $555 in the USA & $150 here

2- Kawasaki was nice enough to install for free. Not a small task as
all fairings must be removed including nose. Took an hour

The bad......
The hamfisted take no responsibility other small shop that broke it in the 1st place

Lesson learned? If you have anything done anywhere inspect very closely before you leave that shop

Normally I would have seen it but it must have been tiny & then ran after the vibration of riding hit.

Edited August 2, 2013 by mania

[macknife]

What happened to your speedo?

[mania]

What happened to your speedo?

Well awhile back I wanted to try those Mazriano clip-ons

A shop near here had them & offered to install free.

That was my big mistake.

They must have put pressure on the smaller window in the unit...the LCD one that shows speed & mileage....

which the crack lined up perfect with the front brake master banjo bolt...

Well the next morning on my first ride with it the crack grew from me not noticing it to an inch.

Now I noticed it ! Later it went all the way across the screen

You can see the first pic was after a couple weeks & the second was today when I got home I took

the old unit apart to look if I could change the lens...cannot

But, they do not sell speedo parts only a full unit so $150/5000 baht

The sad part is the clip-ons sucked & I ended up taking them off & selling them.

The were rubbish because to install you had to slide the fork legs up 12-15mm in the clamps.

That changed the steering geometry too much & the bike felt squirrely in fact turns.

I will buy Woodcraft clip-ons which mount below the top triple clamp like they should

Then the final slap was when I took them off to reinstall the stock bars I realized those lame installers who broke the speedo

went the brokanic route of clipping off the locating pins in the handle controls. These pins keep your

turn signal unit & the starter unit from spinning on your bar as you can never get them tight enough.

So I had to build up the old bar a hair with tape. It fine now but still.......

What they were suppose to do is drill two small holes in the new bars for the pins- Not clip them off because the new bar

did not have holes Live & learn I guess

You have to do things yourself or find a good shop or like I just finally found is a shop that speaks good English

& is not adverse to me helping or working with the mechanics. That is what I did with the fork springs

They let me come in the back & cut my own spacers & also measure the fork oil from top in each leg.

Owner is nice & did not mind as he did not understand the concept of measuring the spacers to create the right

preload as manufacturer stock springs come with a pre-cut spacer.

Also he said they do not do oil as I did with fork legs collapsed & springs out. But that is how Sonic does it & they

have been in the business for decades.

Anyway live & learn as I said & I did

On a side note Kawasaki here is super & as I said installed the speedo for free.

( They were not the shop who broke the speedo )

Edited August 2, 2013 by mania

[dave_boo]

Skies cleared enough here today to try a ride to test the new

85kg Sonic fork springs & oil change

 

I am very very impressed!

It has really transformed the bikes handling. I knew the old was way too soft but did not expect or remember

what a good front felt like. Amazing difference!

 

No diving nose on braking or engine braking now. Mid turn no wallowing before getting back on the throttle.

Downhill & uphill hairpin turns are a thing of beauty now

Especially the steep downhill hairpins which we have some of here. Because now the front is actually still working

& not collapsed even though it is loaded with the weight shift caused by the downhill.

Overall the chassis is just so much more settled now in the twistys

 

Very impressed with this upgrade! It is as drastic or more than changing to the Pirelli tires as far as handling is concerned.

Think I can actually go up a click on the rear preload now & still be very balanced suspension wise. Before I was thinking I should drop it

softer a click just to try & balance the old mushy settings. It is on the 2nd from softest now so I have some room. ( 3 more clicks )

Better yet would be a new heavier rear spring that allows it to stay at the longer stroke but have a stiffer rate.

 

Brakes & lines next

 

 

Glad someone who is a better rider than confirmed what I had been saying since getting the RaceTech springs.

I have Galfer brake lines on mine and it makes two finger braking super easy. Also really easy to lock up the rear with my big clumsy feet.

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[mania]

Glad someone who is a better rider than confirmed what I had been saying since getting the RaceTech springs.

I have Galfer brake lines on mine and it makes two finger braking super easy. Also really easy to lock up the rear with my big clumsy feet.

Oh 100% big improvement I agree!

The handling is night & day.

Like you brakes are my next upgrades

SS lines & HH pads for sure

May later upgrade front caliper but will try lines & pads first.