So, apart from Halal, that's nearly all British Muslims then.

But you wont count them as 'real British' because of Halal.

Therefore, you must also consider Steely Dan and his co religionists as not 'real' British because of shechita.

Yet he 'liked' your post, so must agree with you that the majority of British Jews, like the majority of British Muslims, aren't 'real' British!

Divide and rule on religious grounds does not work with atheists, besides that Jews don't try to foist their dietary customs on the rest of the populace, in contrast to Halal, adopted by default by various supermarkets and by school canteens too. It even led to the sacking of a dinner lady for accidentally serving pork to a Muslim student. Indeed the whining about one thing or another seldom stops.

First you trumpet your Jewishness, now you say you are an atheist; make your mind up. Or are you actually agnostic?

But the point remains valid. If someone declares Muslims to be 'unBritish' because of Halal, then they must hold the same opinion of Jews because of Shectica.

Otherwise they are simply being hypocritical.

You obviously know far more about what meat is available in British supermarkets, butchers etc. from your perch 6000 miles away than I do; after all I only buy meet in the UK every week; when was the last time you did?.

No one has forced Halal, or Shectica, on me. The shelves are full of pork and other non Halal or Shectica meat; with, in larger supermarkets in areas with a large Muslim or Jewish population, the occasional small section for Halal, Shectica or both.

Of course, there are shops catering for Halal and Kosher in areas where there is a demand.

The school dinner lady case was an over reaction by her employers; a private company, not the school, county council or LEA.

But you (purposefully?) missed an important point.

To avoid accusations of using a PC, liberal, apologist source, I am going to link to and quote from the Daily Express; a paper which rivals the Daily Mail for it's right wing hysteria.

MUSLIMS are rallying behind a primary school dinner lady who was sacked for accidentally serving pork to a Muslim pupil.

Inayat Buglawala of Campaign Muslim4UK said: "Mistakes occasionally happen. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of Muslim parents would be understanding.

"Dismissing a dinner lady for inadvertently serving pig meat is an overreaction.

"The most sensible way to rectify such mistakes is to improve awareness of the pupils' dietary requirements while apologising to the pupils and their parents."

'Dietary requirements' including, of course, those of Jews, vegetarians, those allergic to certain foods etc.

So, apart from Halal, that's nearly all British Muslims then.

But you wont count them as 'real British' because of Halal.

Therefore, you must also consider Steely Dan and his co religionists as not 'real' British because of shechita.

Yet he 'liked' your post, so must agree with you that the majority of British Jews, like the majority of British Muslims, aren't 'real' British!

Divide and rule on religious grounds does not work with atheists, besides that Jews don't try to foist their dietary customs on the rest of the populace, in contrast to Halal, adopted by default by various supermarkets and by school canteens too. It even led to the sacking of a dinner lady for accidentally serving pork to a Muslim student. Indeed the whining about one thing or another seldom stops.

First you trumpet your Jewishness, now you say you are an atheist; make your mind up. Or are you actually agnostic?

But the point remains valid. If someone declares Muslims to be 'unBritish' because of Halal, then they must hold the same opinion of Jews because of Shectica.

Otherwise they are simply being hypocritical.

You obviously know far more about what meat is available in British supermarkets, butchers etc. from your perch 6000 miles away than I do; after all I only buy meet in the UK every week; when was the last time you did?.

No one has forced Halal, or Shectica, on me. The shelves are full of pork and other non Halal or Shectica meat; with, in larger supermarkets in areas with a large Muslim or Jewish population, the occasional small section for Halal, Shectica or both.

Our local Sainsburys has a small two shelf selection of halal meat. It's right next to the twice-as-large Polish meat section.

So, apart from Halal, that's nearly all British Muslims then.

But you wont count them as 'real British' because of Halal.

Therefore, you must also consider Steely Dan and his co religionists as not 'real' British because of shechita.

Yet he 'liked' your post, so must agree with you that the majority of British Jews, like the majority of British Muslims, aren't 'real' British!

Divide and rule on religious grounds does not work with atheists, besides that Jews don't try to foist their dietary customs on the rest of the populace, in contrast to Halal, adopted by default by various supermarkets and by school canteens too. It even led to the sacking of a dinner lady for accidentally serving pork to a Muslim student. Indeed the whining about one thing or another seldom stops.

First you trumpet your Jewishness, now you say you are an atheist; make your mind up. Or are you actually agnostic?

But the point remains valid. If someone declares Muslims to be 'unBritish' because of Halal, then they must hold the same opinion of Jews because of Shectica.

Otherwise they are simply being hypocritical.

You obviously know far more about what meat is available in British supermarkets, butchers etc. from your perch 6000 miles away than I do; after all I only buy meet in the UK every week; when was the last time you did?.

No one has forced Halal, or Shectica, on me. The shelves are full of pork and other non Halal or Shectica meat; with, in larger supermarkets in areas with a large Muslim or Jewish population, the occasional small section for Halal, Shectica or both.

Our local Sainsburys has a small two shelf selection of halal meat. It's right next to the twice-as-large Polish meat section.

Strewth you must live in either Peterborough or Trowbridge.......

Our local Sainsburys has a small two shelf selection of halal meat. It's right next to the twice-as-large Polish meat section.

Strewth you must live in either Peterborough or Trowbridge.......

Neither. East Midlands.

The Bulgarians are also waking up to the threat.

http://news.yahoo.com/bulgarian-sentenced-jail-spreading-radical-islam-151224462.html

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The link doesn't work for me.

But if Bulgarians are 'waking up to the threat' it's taken them a long time; there have been Muslims living in what is now Bulgaria since the 9th century!

Indeed, it was once part of the Ottoman empire.

Under communism, Muslims, together with all religions, were persecuted and many Muslims fled to Turkey.

It seems that it is not the Bulgarian Muslims who are the threat to harmony and stability in Bulgaria; but the far right.

Cracks show in Bulgaria's Muslim ethnic model

The country won praise for avoiding ethnic clashes after the end of the Cold War, in contrast to the former Yugoslavia which borders it to the west............

There have been over 100 incidents of vandalized mosques and other Muslim buildings in the last 2-3 years...........

According to various estimates, between 500 and 1,500 people were killed resisting forced assimilation between 1984 and 1989, and thousands of others went to labor camps. The repression led to bomb attacks by ethnic Turks that killed scores.

"The wounds would have been healed by now if some people had stopped poking them," said Fikri Gulistan, 49, dentist in Momchilgrad, where Turkish is the daily language.

Religious leaders warn that some in the Muslim minority may fall prey to foreign Islamic groups trying to radicalize them.

"We are doing our best to stop such processes," said Hussein Hafazov, aide to Bulgaria's top Muslim cleric Mustafa Alish Hadji. "We try to control the mosques and all the rituals. We have been successful so far............

Anybody remember Ray Honeyford, the headmaster hounded out of his job at a Bradford school for publishing an article critical of multiculturalism? That was 1984, since then the liberal left has eaten away at our education system like termites. Aside from the comments about literacy I would add my own observations. I attended a junior school which was probably 80% Christian and 20% Jewish, we were not excused assembly, singing Christian hymns or participating in Christian festivals. School dinners included pork, with no alternative menu that I was aware of.

Fast forward to 2014 and this is where we have ended up.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/10700041/Muslim-extremists-and-a-worrying-lesson-for-us-all.html

Incidentally one ray of hope from the article is the concern of Muslim parents at the Islamisation of their schools. In the case of the sacked dinner lady I also acknowledge the support of normal moderate human beings who happen to be Muslim, but I would observe that PC liberals are just as adept at kicking a ball into the moderates net as the Islamists are. With friends like that who needs enemies?

With regard to the last three or four posts :-

I have worked with Bulgarian engineers on several projects, including the Great Man-made River in Libya. I also built two operating theatres in Benghazi, at the Children's Hospital where all those Bulgarian nurses were accused of experimenting on children with HIV/AIDS work.

I found no religious or racial prejudice in any of the people I knew - whether of Slav or Turkish origin. They all worked side-by-side to make a few shekels before returning home. Maybe they were all united against the repressive communist regime, I don't know, but it seems it is only now, having left the Russian sphere of influence and joined the glorious West, that differences of race and religion are seen as divisive factors, rather than the love of country being a unifying factor.

One can be a patriot, loving one's country - but can one love Europe without being a racist - loving the caucasian basic DNA and putting it above all others?

If I say I'm English (or British) and proud of it - no one says anything.

If I say I'm European and proud of it - many will accuse me of racism.

If I say I'm CofE and proud of it - people may walk a little further away from me, but will not say more.

If I say I'm Christian and proud of it - many will accuse me of religious prejudice.

It depends very much on how things are said these days as to what impression other people may have of you, and how they respond to you. When I was a lot younger these subtleties were less regarded. One was allowed to have one's say and either be accepted or derided openly. These days one's remarks can be distorted, or misquoted, or quoted out of context, and the media will seize upon such distortions and happily crucify someone without there being any chance of the perpetrator being given a reasoned right of reply. Two footballers spring to mind - John Terry and Luis Suarez - where in the first case no one heard the remarks, nor the context, and in the second the remark was made in Uruguayan Spanish and complained-about by a French player well known for his exaggerated tumbles and cheating. But the press leapt upon both incidents and branded the offendee in each case a racist - although no judicial court has stated this to be the case. (Yes, I know the FA have done so, but that was trial by media, not by justice. The FA have to consider their hundreds of millions of income before any justice.).

I used these two cases only because they are probably the best known, there are many others where the media have condemned people without trial and, whatever the final judicial outcome (if they ever went to trial) the mud has stuck, no apologies have been made, no press reporter or editor has been jailed.

Who are you to proclaim who makes the cut or otherwise?

I'm not, I was answering questions put to me by another poster. Try to keep up dear boy!

And stating my opinions. Is that still allowed or have the PC thought police put a stop to that as well? Try to read all the posts before replying and making an even bigger idiot out of yourself.

And all this from a person who has had to leave their country for alternative locations.....

If you didn't like where you come from why worry about it?

Firstly you stated 'had to leave their country.'

Had to??

Try again!

Secondly, I care about my home country (and I still have property there) because I hate seeing it destroyed by backward Sharia-loving immigrants and their apologist white liberal sympathizers.

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Who are you to proclaim who makes the cut or otherwise?

I'm not, I was answering questions put to me by another poster. Try to keep up dear boy!

And stating my opinions. Is that still allowed or have the PC thought police put a stop to that as well? Try to read all the posts before replying and making an even bigger idiot out of yourself.

And all this from a person who has had to leave their country for alternative locations.....

If you didn't like where you come from why worry about it?

Firstly you stated 'had to leave their country.'

Had to??

Try again!

Secondly, I care about my home country (and I still have property there) because I hate seeing it destroyed by backward Sharia-loving immigrants and their apologist white liberal sympathizers.

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Re stating your opinions, here are the unanswered questions...

So how many generations does it take to become "real British people"? Can a black man play for a British team, should Mo Farah not be a part of Team GB, how about a mixed race person, where do they fit in? Can a child with a British father and Thai mum be considered to be British? Are Rio Ferdinand or Theo Walcott really British?

Who in the UK is not a descendant of immigrants? It is hardly a place that has been inhabited continuously for the last 100,000 years. Any island nation is the recipient of endless phases of migration.

I can see how you have changed the onus from Islamic immigration onto West Indian. As you are fully aware, West Indian immigrants and their descendants aren't the problem here.

They, to some extent, have integrated and have given something to British culture. So have immigrants from India. They're not the problem so stick to the subject, Islamic immigrants.

Recent Muslim immigrants are the problem (as well as converts) and what I'm talking about as you well know.

If they don't integrate, learn the language, stop practicing their barbaric customs and their disgraceful anti-social behavior, there shouldn't be a place for them in Europe.

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And we even allow war criminals in. How worse can it get?

http://m.bbc.com/news/26677428

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A good perspective on the killers and what motivated them:

I attended a junior school which was probably 80% Christian and 20% Jewish, we were not excused assembly, singing Christian hymns or participating in Christian festivals. School dinners included pork, with no alternative menu that I was aware of.

You must have gone to a very harsh school; or maybe your memory is fading.

I attended school up to 1971.

At my primary school I recall two Jehovah's Witness kids, brother and sister, who were excused assembly and RE lessons.

At my secondary school there were also people excused the same, too many to recall them all or their religions.

In those days, school canteens didn't provide a choice of menu for anyone; but those whose dietary needs, religious or otherwise, were not forced to eat foods they did not wish to. They could bring a packed lunch or even going home.

As for Alison Waldock; 'It wasn't a one-off' says headteacher after dinner lady is sacked for serving pork to a Muslim pupil

A spokesman for Lunchtime UK said: “Following an incident involving Alison Waldock at one of our schools a full investigation was carried out prior to suspending her on full pay. A standard disciplinary procedure ensued which resulted in Alison Waldock being dismissed for gross misconduct.”

The company continued: “Obviously we cannot provide all of the details surrounding the dismissal. However, as a general note, Lunchtime UK would not seek to dismiss any employee due to just one honest mistake.”

She was represented by her union throughout; who no doubt will have told her that she can seek redress via an Industrial Tribunal for unfair dismissal.

I wonder why she has not done so. No I don't; the reasons obvious.

I can see how you have changed the onus from Islamic immigration onto West Indian. As you are fully aware, West Indian immigrants and their descendants aren't the problem here.

They, to some extent, have integrated and have given something to British culture. So have immigrants from India. They're not the problem so stick to the subject, Islamic immigrants.

India has the third largest Muslim population in the world only about a million less than Pakistan...

. I attended a junior school which was probably 80% Christian and 20% Jewish, we were not excused assembly, singing Christian hymns or participating in Christian festivals. School dinners included pork, with no alternative menu that I was aware of.

After I returned to the UK in the late 60s and started going to school here we always had kids excused assembly because of their religion which included Roman Catholics let alone Jews and Muslims.

Finally! The UK is starting to wake up to the threat.

Two Charged in UK FGM Cases.

http://m.bbc.com/news/uk-26681364

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I can see how you have changed the onus from Islamic immigration onto West Indian. As you are fully aware, West Indian immigrants and their descendants aren't the problem here.

They, to some extent, have integrated and have given something to British culture. So have immigrants from India. They're not the problem so stick to the subject, Islamic immigrants.

Recent Muslim immigrants are the problem (as well as converts) and what I'm talking about as you well know.

If they don't integrate, learn the language, stop practicing their barbaric customs and their disgraceful anti-social behavior, there shouldn't be a place for them in Europe.

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So you don't have a problem with race, just religion...right?

But what about an Indian muslim? 20% of London's ethnically Indian population are muslim and originate from E. Africa, the Caribbean (mainly Trinidad and Jamaica), Mumbai and Gujarat. So is a muslim from the West Indies ok?

Love your grudging recognition that West Indians have integrated "to some extent" and have at least given "something" to British culture...that's big of you. Anyone might think it's not religion you have an issue with...Perhaps "true British" means just white folk and those that know their place....?

So by your reckoning someone who's family originally came from India can be "true British", but only if they are Sikh, Hindu or Christian..? Virtually all British citizens of Bangladeshi or Pakistani descent fail your test on the basis of religion.

What about Mo Farah, Somali, muslim and not "true British"? How about one of your fellow British immigrants, currently culturally enriching Thailand, has a child with a Muslim Thai lady, is that child therefore excluded from being "true British".

So an Orthodox Christian from Bulgaria or Romania is fine and can become "true British", but a muslim Bulgarian or Romanian is forever set apart?

Looking around the world one can see many examples of immigrants refusing to integrate, refusing (unable?) to learn the language, practising shameful and anti-social behaviour, and that's just the white trash washed up in places like Pattaya and Bangkok.

And they say travel broadens the mind.....

Finally! The UK is starting to wake up to the threat.

Two Charged in UK FGM Cases.

http://m.bbc.com/news/uk-26681364

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Two charged out of thousands of cases is a start, but not very impressive. If found guilty it will probably be a real deterrent, such as a 12 month suspended sentence and 100 hours unpaid work! This filthy crime was first made one in 1985 and these are the first court cases! Four others have been dropped for lack of evidence, which means people are saying nowt.

Who are you to proclaim who makes the cut or otherwise?

I'm not, I was answering questions put to me by another poster. Try to keep up dear boy!

And stating my opinions. Is that still allowed or have the PC thought police put a stop to that as well? Try to read all the posts before replying and making an even bigger idiot out of yourself.

And all this from a person who has had to leave their country for alternative locations.....

If you didn't like where you come from why worry about it?

Firstly you stated 'had to leave their country.'

Had to??

Try again!

Secondly, I care about my home country (and I still have property there) because I hate seeing it destroyed by backward Sharia-loving immigrants and their apologist white liberal sympathizers.

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As much as Thais hate seeing their country 'destroyed' by drunken Westerners wandering about town in shorts and tank tops flaunting their latest bar fine?

Stereotyping is such fun; but proves nothing.

The thing is member Steely Dan, you are getting accused of judging people by the worst of them. Hundreds of thousands of people take to the streets burning effigies, attacking embassies and generally killing people all over the world because someone made an image of an illiterate goat herder. On the opposite side... A couple of people write a strongly worded letter to the Times or do an impromptu announcement stating that throwing acid on the face of a teenager for talking to someone is not Kosher. Who is judging people by numbers?

It is interesting to note that not one follower of the cult of Mohammadan Islam has said a single word on the thread.

It is interesting to note that not one follower of the cult of Mohammadan Islam has said a single word on the thread.

Well that is not surprising is it? My wife is Thai Muslim- born and raised in Pattaya - I personally do not practice the Islamic faith, but naturally have a degree of interest. None of my large Thai Muslim extended family subscribe to Islamic extremism, desire Sharia Criminal law and so on. When I have mentioned these facts in other topics I have been accussed of lying, being a sympathiser/apologist for Islamic terrorism etc including repeated personal attacks by a TV member posting in this topic. The vitriol/hate is very unpleasant and would not encourage someone who actually practises the Islamic faith to post content in TV. I do recall someone who did declare they were a follower of Islam (moderate) & they got bombarded by extremely negative attack posts.

With regard to FGM - yes, although the law condemning this practice was passed in 1985, this is the first case to make it to court.

And the charge refers to a surgeon who has complied with a husband's wishes that the wife by operated on after childbirth - not in the traditional understanding of FGM, but in the repair and reducing in size the opening after having birthed the child. As far as I can see, the surgeon has, on the husband's instructions, reduced the remaining opening to a very small orifice. That is the extent of the work by the surgeon (according to reports I have read). This is not FGM in the classical sense, in that it does not include removal of any external parts of the female organs.

Thus this case is not going to set any precedent to save the 20,000 or so young girls currently living in Britain who are at risk of suffering this abominable practice.

I don't really care what punishment this doctor receives (if he is found guilty of any form of assault), I want to see the police act upon the intention of parents/guardians/doctors/charlatans to carry out such a horrible act. And this is not covered by law. Only the mutilated victims can go to the police with evidence of a crime that is irreversible. It needs to be stopped.

With regard to FGM - yes, although the law condemning this practice was passed in 1985, this is the first case to make it to court.

And the charge refers to a surgeon who has complied with a husband's wishes that the wife by operated on after childbirth - not in the traditional understanding of FGM, but in the repair and reducing in size the opening after having birthed the child. As far as I can see, the surgeon has, on the husband's instructions, reduced the remaining opening to a very small orifice. That is the extent of the work by the surgeon (according to reports I have read). This is not FGM in the classical sense, in that it does not include removal of any external parts of the female organs.

Thus this case is not going to set any precedent to save the 20,000 or so young girls currently living in Britain who are at risk of suffering this abominable practice.

I don't really care what punishment this doctor receives (if he is found guilty of any form of assault), I want to see the police act upon the intention of parents/guardians/doctors/charlatans to carry out such a horrible act. And this is not covered by law. Only the mutilated victims can go to the police with evidence of a crime that is irreversible. It needs to be stopped.

If you go back to post #173 you will see that the issue of FGM in the UK has been discussed. with UK government website content links provided. Within the post there is a quote "Last year we had 69 referrals and undertook action in 57 of those cases". The wording reflects Met police early intervention after receiving advise of people at risk. Whilst the numbers are still relatively small, if in fact it has been identified that 20k females in the UK are at risk, it does indicate a small progression on the rights of women at risk by way of education and action by UK Police.

It is interesting to note that not one follower of the cult of Mohammadan Islam has said a single word on the thread.

Well that is not surprising is it? My wife is Thai Muslim- born and raised in Pattaya - I personally do not practice the Islamic faith, but naturally have a degree of interest. None of my large Thai Muslim extended family subscribe to Islamic extremism, desire Sharia Criminal law and so on.

Then they are ignoring the commands of Allah as set out in the koran and hadith. There is no such thing as Islamic extremism, there is just Islam-you are either a good Muslim and fight the unbeliever, or you ignore the commands of Allah. Mohammed said such 'Moslem's' with go to hell fire.

If you go back to post #173 you will see that the issue of FGM in the UK has been discussed. with UK government website content links provided. Within the post there is a quote "Last year we had 69 referrals and undertook action in 57 of those cases". The wording reflects Met police early intervention after receiving advise of people at risk. Whilst the numbers are still relatively small, if in fact it has been identified that 20k females in the UK are at risk, it does indicate a small progression on the rights of women at risk by way of education and action by UK Police.

In 30 years there have been no successful prosecutions under this law.

In 30 years there have only been 4 referrals to the CPS - of which the current example is the only one to go to court. We hope.

Police 'action' may only mean that a note has been entered into the daily log of a report. At best it may only be a visit by a WPC to the family. There is a distinct reluctance within the law-enforcement community to enforce this inadequate law. The law needs to consider that action be taken BEFORE any FGM occurs, not just chase the results (which the police fail to do). If people who arrive in the UK cannot follow the mores and customs of a civilised society, then they should be expelled, immediately. If they are capable and willing to follow our ways, then they are welcome. It is very simple - take the bone out of your nose and join us in companionship and eriendship.

If you go back to post #173 you will see that the issue of FGM in the UK has been discussed. with UK government website content links provided. Within the post there is a quote "Last year we had 69 referrals and undertook action in 57 of those cases". The wording reflects Met police early intervention after receiving advise of people at risk. Whilst the numbers are still relatively small, if in fact it has been identified that 20k females in the UK are at risk, it does indicate a small progression on the rights of women at risk by way of education and action by UK Police.

In 30 years there have been no successful prosecutions under this law.

In 30 years there have only been 4 referrals to the CPS - of which the current example is the only one to go to court. We hope.

Police 'action' may only mean that a note has been entered into the daily log of a report. At best it may only be a visit by a WPC to the family. There is a distinct reluctance within the law-enforcement community to enforce this inadequate law. The law needs to consider that action be taken BEFORE any FGM occurs, not just chase the results (which the police fail to do). If people who arrive in the UK cannot follow the mores and customs of a civilised society, then they should be expelled, immediately. If they are capable and willing to follow our ways, then they are welcome. It is very simple - take the bone out of your nose and join us in companionship and eriendship.

From the report they were talking about intervention, but apparently quite a bit of cultural constraint / reluctance to report as the accused family member could be arrested and a custodial sentence imposed if found guilty. It’s a very complex environment that seems resistance to law enforcement efforts; hopefully it will change over time.

Are you a serving member of CPS/UK police or have recently been so thereby talking from experience?

It is interesting to note that not one follower of the cult of Mohammadan Islam has said a single word on the thread.

Well that is not surprising is it? My wife is Thai Muslim- born and raised in Pattaya - I personally do not practice the Islamic faith, but naturally have a degree of interest. None of my large Thai Muslim extended family subscribe to Islamic extremism, desire Sharia Criminal law and so on.

Then they are ignoring the commands of Allah as set out in the koran and hadith. There is no such thing as Islamic extremism, there is just Islam-you are either a good Muslim and fight the unbeliever, or you ignore the commands of Allah. Mohammed said such 'Moslem's' with go to hell fire.

Indeed and this is something I have brought up a number of times, most recently with the cookbook on how to roast a chicken example. If the term 'extremist' is going to be used then it would be those who take Islam in a 'pick 'n' mix' or a la carte manner.

a system in a shop where you can choose a few of several different small things, especially sweets

It is interesting to note that not one follower of the cult of Mohammadan Islam has said a single word on the thread.

Well that is not surprising is it? My wife is Thai Muslim- born and raised in Pattaya - I personally do not practice the Islamic faith, but naturally have a degree of interest. None of my large Thai Muslim extended family subscribe to Islamic extremism, desire Sharia Criminal law and so on.

Then they are ignoring the commands of Allah as set out in the koran and hadith. There is no such thing as Islamic extremism, there is just Islam-you are either a good Muslim and fight the unbeliever, or you ignore the commands of Allah. Mohammed said such 'Moslem's' with go to hell fire.

Love to see you front members of my family telling them they are ignoring the commands of Allah and in effect preaching the Islamic extremist message.

There are many differing interpretations/rulings concerning the content of the Koran, as you say via Hadith, by Imams and so on. It's up to the individual to accept, or not, the more extreme interpretations. As so many have pointed out there are moderates within the Islamic world, who are obviously in the vast majority, who do not go down the path of Islamic extremism and actions who consider themselves faithful followers of Islam. Again as repeatedly highlighted in other topics, moderates who publically preach or counter the extremist POV are regularly murdered; these truths are coveniently ignored by you and others.