Koh Tao murders: Police chief reconfirms Myanmar migrant workers are real suspects

[Fred Flinstone]

If they are so sure, that this case is solved correctly, why the need to come out and "explain" themselves twice a day?? (Apart from keeping Thaivisa alive!)

Because of you lot interfering on social media with you're outlandish conspiracy theories damaging the reputation of the Thai police force, that's why!!!

If the Royal Thai Police Force had not been deeply corrupt for years, they would have had a good reputation and people would have trusted them. They themselves built their own bad reputation - not social media.

Social Media might be the best thing that ever happened to them and this country. Maybe now they will understand that it requires pride, dignity, moral, ethics and seeking real justice to be a REAL and RESPECTED policeman/force. Something they should have learnt and understood a long time ago.

If they want respect, they have to earn it! Just like anyone else in any other job.

Why If these Burmese are killers of westerners do they allow them to pay bribes to Stay (by their own admission ) and how many more murders will they commit under Thai corruption?

[geraldbradford]

They have CCTV footage of him following the victims out of the bar.

How do you know this to be true spidey? Is that from the alledged 2 mins. of missing cctv footage?

Cheers.

[happy pattaya man]

Oh! good, that's that then

[spidermike007]

They have CCTV footage of him following the victims out of the bar.

How do you know this to be true spidey? Is that from the alledged 2 mins. of missing cctv footage?

Cheers.

It was posted online for awhile. Many saw it. Perhaps they have had it "removed? Plus there were witnesses. Some of whom went to the police with their evidence. The police dismissed them outright. They were NEVER interested in finding out the truth behind this crime. A decision was made from day one, to NOT go after the true perps, due to money and influence, and connections. The term above the law comes to mind. Anyone who believes otherwise may be naive at best.

Edited October 8, 2014 by spidermike007

[geraldbradford]

They have CCTV footage of him following the victims out of the bar.

How do you know this to be true spidey? Is that from the alledged 2 mins. of missing cctv footage?

Cheers.

It was posted online for awhile. ..

Do you mean the actual cctv footage of killer(s) following out of AC Bar was online? Wow. That should be able to be recovered by the computer geeks.

[johnnytuc]

Before anything else can be done, these boys MUST plead not guilty, and how are we or anybody else going to ensure that.

[Dogmatix]

Before anything else can be done, these boys MUST plead not guilty, and how are we or anybody else going to ensure that.

You are right. The police want the trial to start as quickly as possible. Maybe another injection of 'vitamins' in the cells and a guilty plea. Then their botched up evidence will never be scrutinised. The pair will be sentenced to death despite any deal offered to them because the court will argue the police evidence which was never subjected to cross examination was sound and the confessions were not needed. Then their sentences will eventually be commuted to life to avoid causing trouble with Burma which provides 5-10% of Thailand's labour force and is a place where the Thai government and Thai corporations are eager to invest.

If they plead not guilty and lose the case, the downside is realistically the same as if they plead guilty but the upside is that the police case might collapse and they get deported as illegal immigrants.

[stephen terry]

Well JTJ obviously you have not yet formulated your answers with the RTP, because there has been no response from you. Not that I expected one because when you are asked to explain the anomalise in the evidence you are completely F****D. But I am glad to see that you sent your alter ego/boyfriend SICOPHANTICSTEVE on to draw attention away from yourself.

Anyway I guess that you have now proved once and for all what a brown nosed arse licking RTP nark you are, and don't forget if you want to report me to the RTP just message me and i will give you my address

I suggest you tread carefully. Thailand is not a place that accepts freedom of speech. Challenging someone to report you to the RTP may be the last thing you would want to happen if they come knocking at your door.

Keep asking questions, but don't rise to the bait. The re-opened media interest will provide the momentum for transparency disclosure. Let's hope it will prevail.

[bannork]

They have CCTV footage of him following the victims out of the bar.

How do you know this to be true spidey? Is that from the alledged 2 mins. of missing cctv footage?

Cheers.

It was posted online for awhile. Many saw it. Perhaps they have had it "removed? Plus there were witnesses. Some of whom went to the police with their evidence. The police dismissed them outright. They were NEVER interested in finding out the truth behind this crime. A decision was made from day one, to NOT go after the true perps, due to money and influence, and connections. The term above the law comes to mind. Anyone who believes otherwise may be naive at best.

Are you sure you're not confusing yourself and actually referring to the cctv footage of the 3 footballers seemingly following Hannah down the street earlier in the evening?

[SICHONSTEVE]

Well JTJ obviously you have not yet formulated your answers with the RTP, because there has been no response from you. Not that I expected one because when you are asked to explain the anomalise in the evidence you are completely F****D. But I am glad to see that you sent your alter ego/boyfriend SICOPHANTICSTEVE on to draw attention away from yourself.

Anyway I guess that you have now proved once and for all what a brown nosed arse licking RTP nark you are, and don't forget if you want to report me to the RTP just message me and i will give you my address

Simply agreeing with and sharing the same take on events as someone does not make me a sycophant.

We might be in the small minority but I think we are in the winning corner as to who has got it right over this.

I do not support the fact that the RTP are very professional (they are better now after Prayuth's shake up whereby he has turfed out Thaksin's boot lickers). I just think that the two Burmese boys committed these acts of savagery and I fail to see why and for what reason you place yourselves in a position whereby you will all be ridiculed for getting it so wrong.

Lets see what the court case brings shall we and see who ends up with egg on their face!!!

[maxme]

Well JTJ obviously you have not yet formulated your answers with the RTP, because there has been no response from you. Not that I expected one because when you are asked to explain the anomalise in the evidence you are completely F****D. But I am glad to see that you sent your alter ego/boyfriend SICOPHANTICSTEVE on to draw attention away from yourself.

Anyway I guess that you have now proved once and for all what a brown nosed arse licking RTP nark you are, and don't forget if you want to report me to the RTP just message me and i will give you my address

Simply agreeing with and sharing the same take on events as someone does not make me a sycophant.

We might be in the small minority but I think we are in the winning corner as to who has got it right over this.

I do not support the fact that the RTP are very professional (they are better now after Prayuth's shake up whereby he has turfed out Thaksin's boot lickers). I just think that the two Burmese boys committed these acts of savagery and I fail to see why and for what reason you place yourselves in a position whereby you will all be ridiculed for getting it so wrong.

Lets see what the court case brings shall we and see who ends up with egg on their face!!!

Steve I think you know that if people found out the truth in this matter it would open a can of worms and the trail would lead back to your beloved group so yes you are a sycophant.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Well JTJ obviously you have not yet formulated your answers with the RTP, because there has been no response from you. Not that I expected one because when you are asked to explain the anomalise in the evidence you are completely F****D. But I am glad to see that you sent your alter ego/boyfriend SICOPHANTICSTEVE on to draw attention away from yourself.

Anyway I guess that you have now proved once and for all what a brown nosed arse licking RTP nark you are, and don't forget if you want to report me to the RTP just message me and i will give you my address

Simply agreeing with and sharing the same take on events as someone does not make me a sycophant.

We might be in the small minority but I think we are in the winning corner as to who has got it right over this.

I do not support the fact that the RTP are very professional (they are better now after Prayuth's shake up whereby he has turfed out Thaksin's boot lickers). I just think that the two Burmese boys committed these acts of savagery and I fail to see why and for what reason you place yourselves in a position whereby you will all be ridiculed for getting it so wrong.

Lets see what the court case brings shall we and see who ends up with egg on their face!!!

Steve I think you know that if people found out the truth in this matter it would open a can of worms and the trail would lead back to your beloved group so yes you are a sycophant.

double post

Edited October 8, 2014 by SICHONSTEVE

[Dogmatix]

CSI LA now seems to be working on the alibi of the 'person of interest' in Bangkok. He posted this on his FB page, "My girlfriend's friend is studying at Bangkok University. The suspect came to school on Sept 16th. She saw that he had scratch marks on his neck and arms."

[SICHONSTEVE]

Well JTJ obviously you have not yet formulated your answers with the RTP, because there has been no response from you. Not that I expected one because when you are asked to explain the anomalise in the evidence you are completely F****D. But I am glad to see that you sent your alter ego/boyfriend SICOPHANTICSTEVE on to draw attention away from yourself.

Anyway I guess that you have now proved once and for all what a brown nosed arse licking RTP nark you are, and don't forget if you want to report me to the RTP just message me and i will give you my address

Simply agreeing with and sharing the same take on events as someone does not make me a sycophant.

We might be in the small minority but I think we are in the winning corner as to who has got it right over this.

I do not support the fact that the RTP are very professional (they are better now after Prayuth's shake up whereby he has turfed out Thaksin's boot lickers). I just think that the two Burmese boys committed these acts of savagery and I fail to see why and for what reason you place yourselves in a position whereby you will all be ridiculed for getting it so wrong.

Lets see what the court case brings shall we and see who ends up with egg on their face!!!

Steve I think you know that if people found out the truth in this matter it would open a can of worms and the trail would lead back to your beloved group so yes you are a sycophant.

Just out of interest, what group would that be??

[maxme]

Well JTJ obviously you have not yet formulated your answers with the RTP, because there has been no response from you. Not that I expected one because when you are asked to explain the anomalise in the evidence you are completely F****D. But I am glad to see that you sent your alter ego/boyfriend SICOPHANTICSTEVE on to draw attention away from yourself.

Anyway I guess that you have now proved once and for all what a brown nosed arse licking RTP nark you are, and don't forget if you want to report me to the RTP just message me and i will give you my address

Simply agreeing with and sharing the same take on events as someone does not make me a sycophant.

We might be in the small minority but I think we are in the winning corner as to who has got it right over this.

I do not support the fact that the RTP are very professional (they are better now after Prayuth's shake up whereby he has turfed out Thaksin's boot lickers). I just think that the two Burmese boys committed these acts of savagery and I fail to see why and for what reason you place yourselves in a position whereby you will all be ridiculed for getting it so wrong.

Lets see what the court case brings shall we and see who ends up with egg on their face!!!

Steve I think you know that if people found out the truth in this matter it would open a can of worms and the trail would lead back to your beloved group so yes you are a sycophant.

Just out of interest, what group would that be??

Must have hit a nerve... Two posts with typos.

Do you adore more groups than just the one that is popular in NST?

[SICHONSTEVE]

Well done for typing Sichon into a search engine and finding it is in NST.

Other than that, I haven't got a clue what you are on about!!!

As for the typos comment, that really has me perplexed ?????????

[maxme]

Well done for typing Sichon into a search engine and finding it is in NST.

Other than that, I haven't got a clue what you are on about!!!

As for the typos comment, that really has me perplexed ?????????

NST... Surat Thani... Both of these provinces are run by the same group you cherished during the protests. I wonder why their spokesperson attacked the owner of CSI LA, accusing him of being a Thaksin stooge, only there to discredit the current administration.

Now it may be far fetched but once you factor in these... Surat thani, Koh tao, illegal work force, mob family, donations... The wheels begin to turn. But could just be a figment of my imagination because surely you're interested in seeing justice for these poor souls but then again... Doesn't your lot despise RTP because they are as you say "red"? So why do you come out and defend them now I wonder?

Edited October 8, 2014 by maxme

[Dogmatix]

An interesting point from the recent police statements on the television is that suspect Zaw Lyn took David's phone and gave it to a Burmese friend who found it didn't work (with a Thai SIM card) and smashed it up before helpfully depositing in the bushes next to Zaw's residence. The police didn't name this accomplice but then they don't seem to know the real names of the suspects anyway.

Why has this accomplice not been named and arrested as an accessory after the fact?

[lausie]

The world is watching Thailand:-

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph...ns-murders.html

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11147921/Amnesty-urges-investigation-into-torture-of-Thai-island-murder-suspects.html
The Guardian: http://www.theguardi...olice-brutality
ITV News: http://www.itv.com/n...ey-were-beaten/
Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...o-tortured.html
The Mirror: http://www.mirror.co...suspect-4398149
New York Daily News: http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1966290
Khaosod English: http://www.khaosoden...wsid=1412595379
Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.a...008-10rrxa.html
The Irish Times: http://www.irishtime...ality-1.1955225
News.com.au: http://www.news.com....q-1227083365604
New Zealand Herald: http://www.nzherald....jectid=11339226
Sky news: http://news.sky.com/...n-torture-claim
Bangkok post: http://www.bangkokpo...torture-surface
The Times South Africa: http://www.timeslive...st-in-thai-case
Irish Independent: http://www.independe...s-30647617.html

[mataleo]

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1412595379

[ParadiseLost]

An interesting point from the recent police statements on the television is that suspect Zaw Lyn took David's phone and gave it to a Burmese friend who found it didn't work (with a Thai SIM card) and smashed it up before helpfully depositing in the bushes next to Zaw's residence. The police didn't name this accomplice but then they don't seem to know the real names of the suspects anyway.

Why has this accomplice not been named and arrested as an accessory after the fact?

There were no facts to follow?

[SICHONSTEVE]

The world is watching Thailand:-

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph...ns-murders.html

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11147921/Amnesty-urges-investigation-into-torture-of-Thai-island-murder-suspects.html

The Guardian: http://www.theguardi...olice-brutality

ITV News: http://www.itv.com/n...ey-were-beaten/

Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...o-tortured.html

The Mirror: http://www.mirror.co...suspect-4398149

New York Daily News: http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1966290

Khaosod English: http://www.khaosoden...wsid=1412595379

Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.a...008-10rrxa.html

The Irish Times: http://www.irishtime...ality-1.1955225

News.com.au: http://www.news.com....q-1227083365604

New Zealand Herald: http://www.nzherald....jectid=11339226

Sky news: http://news.sky.com/...n-torture-claim

Bangkok post: http://www.bangkokpo...torture-surface

The Times South Africa: http://www.timeslive...st-in-thai-case

Irish Independent: http://www.independe...s-30647617.html

What, you mean they are reporting on it - newspapers tend to do this kind of thing!!!.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Well done for typing Sichon into a search engine and finding it is in NST.

Other than that, I haven't got a clue what you are on about!!!

As for the typos comment, that really has me perplexed ?????????

NST... Surat Thani... Both of these provinces are run by the same group you cherished during the protests. I wonder why their spokesperson attacked the owner of CSI LA, accusing him of being a Thaksin stooge, only there to discredit the current administration.

Now it may be far fetched but once you factor in these... Surat thani, Koh tao, illegal work force, mob family, donations... The wheels begin to turn. But could just be a figment of my imagination because surely you're interested in seeing justice for these poor souls but then again... Doesn't your lot despise RTP because they are as you say "red"? So why do you come out and defend them now I wonder?

My my!! you are a puzzling soul and you have a vivid sense of imagination.

Yes it is far fetched.

I think that the British police are the finest and most professional in the world .......and I despise them and hate all police generally. I don't know where you get my perceived love for the police from as that is far from the case!!

I'm not going to deny that I support the Democrats but what on earth is this mafia, mob, donations thing?

I am interested in seeing justice prevail, so lets just let where this goes.

[lausie]

The world is watching Thailand:-

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph...ns-murders.html

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11147921/Amnesty-urges-investigation-into-torture-of-Thai-island-murder-suspects.html

The Guardian: http://www.theguardi...olice-brutality

ITV News: http://www.itv.com/n...ey-were-beaten/

Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...o-tortured.html

The Mirror: http://www.mirror.co...suspect-4398149

New York Daily News: http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1966290

Khaosod English: http://www.khaosoden...wsid=1412595379

Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.a...008-10rrxa.html

The Irish Times: http://www.irishtime...ality-1.1955225

News.com.au: http://www.news.com....q-1227083365604

New Zealand Herald: http://www.nzherald....jectid=11339226

Sky news: http://news.sky.com/...n-torture-claim

Bangkok post: http://www.bangkokpo...torture-surface

The Times South Africa: http://www.timeslive...st-in-thai-case

Irish Independent: http://www.independe...s-30647617.html

What, you mean they are reporting on it - newspapers tend to do this kind of thing!!!.

Yep, that's exactly what they are doing. And in doing that, they are drawing it to the attention of a lot of people worldwide. Those people may then pay closer attention to the case than they might have done if they hadn't reported on it.

I think I've made my point, what was yours?

[SICHONSTEVE]

The world is watching Thailand:-

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph...ns-murders.html

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11147921/Amnesty-urges-investigation-into-torture-of-Thai-island-murder-suspects.html

The Guardian: http://www.theguardi...olice-brutality

ITV News: http://www.itv.com/n...ey-were-beaten/

Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...o-tortured.html

The Mirror: http://www.mirror.co...suspect-4398149

New York Daily News: http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1966290

Khaosod English: http://www.khaosoden...wsid=1412595379

Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.a...008-10rrxa.html

The Irish Times: http://www.irishtime...ality-1.1955225

News.com.au: http://www.news.com....q-1227083365604

New Zealand Herald: http://www.nzherald....jectid=11339226

Sky news: http://news.sky.com/...n-torture-claim

Bangkok post: http://www.bangkokpo...torture-surface

The Times South Africa: http://www.timeslive...st-in-thai-case

Irish Independent: http://www.independe...s-30647617.html

What, you mean they are reporting on it - newspapers tend to do this kind of thing!!!.

Yep, that's exactly what they are doing. And in doing that, they are drawing it to the attention of a lot of people worldwide. Those people may then pay closer attention to the case than they might have done if they hadn't reported on it.

I think I've made my point, what was yours?

I think that the police are pretty happy and confident with the case that they have presented - if not the rather shabby way in which it came about. Now it is down to the courts to decide!!

[lausie]

The world is watching Thailand:-

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph...ns-murders.html

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11147921/Amnesty-urges-investigation-into-torture-of-Thai-island-murder-suspects.html

The Guardian: http://www.theguardi...olice-brutality

ITV News: http://www.itv.com/n...ey-were-beaten/

Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...o-tortured.html

The Mirror: http://www.mirror.co...suspect-4398149

New York Daily News: http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1966290

Khaosod English: http://www.khaosoden...wsid=1412595379

Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.a...008-10rrxa.html

The Irish Times: http://www.irishtime...ality-1.1955225

News.com.au: http://www.news.com....q-1227083365604

New Zealand Herald: http://www.nzherald....jectid=11339226

Sky news: http://news.sky.com/...n-torture-claim

Bangkok post: http://www.bangkokpo...torture-surface

The Times South Africa: http://www.timeslive...st-in-thai-case

Irish Independent: http://www.independe...s-30647617.html

What, you mean they are reporting on it - newspapers tend to do this kind of thing!!!.

Yep, that's exactly what they are doing. And in doing that, they are drawing it to the attention of a lot of people worldwide. Those people may then pay closer attention to the case than they might have done if they hadn't reported on it.

I think I've made my point, what was yours?

I think that the police are pretty happy and confident with the case that they have presented - if not the rather shabby way in which it came about. Now it is down to the courts to decide!!

This report from Sanook News suggests the public prosecutor on Samui has doubts about (at least part of) the story and evidence provided by the RTP, as he wont accept what's in the current 800-page report and just sent the entire case back to the police: http://news.sanook.com/1679733/%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B3%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%A1%E0%B9%88%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%99-%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A5%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%86%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%9D%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B1%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%B0%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%95%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%B2/

Of course, I don't know whether theres any truth in that as yet, but interesting if there is.

[maxme]

Well done for typing Sichon into a search engine and finding it is in NST.

Other than that, I haven't got a clue what you are on about!!!

As for the typos comment, that really has me perplexed ?????????

NST... Surat Thani... Both of these provinces are run by the same group you cherished during the protests. I wonder why their spokesperson attacked the owner of CSI LA, accusing him of being a Thaksin stooge, only there to discredit the current administration.

Now it may be far fetched but once you factor in these... Surat thani, Koh tao, illegal work force, mob family, donations... The wheels begin to turn. But could just be a figment of my imagination because surely you're interested in seeing justice for these poor souls but then again... Doesn't your lot despise RTP because they are as you say "red"? So why do you come out and defend them now I wonder?

My my!! you are a puzzling soul and you have a vivid sense of imagination.

Yes it is far fetched.

I think that the British police are the finest and most professional in the world .......and I despise them and hate all police generally. I don't know where you get my perceived love for the police from as that is far from the case!!

I'm not going to deny that I support the Democrats but what on earth is this mafia, mob, donations thing?

I am interested in seeing justice prevail, so lets just let where this goes.

South is not so much for democrats as they are for PAD. And you didnt cheer the democrats, you cheered them. You still didn't answer the question though. Do you agree with JTJ?

[IslandLover]

ParadiseLost, on 08 Oct 2014 - 07:57, said:ParadiseLost, on 08 Oct 2014 - 07:57, said:

I may have missed it but cannot recall mention of a toxicology report. If date-rape drugs were slipped to the victims (very popular thing with local Thai youngsters) their cognitive reactions would have been impaired. As David was a big guy, drugs should have worn off quicker for him. He could have woken to a nightmare.

Early on in the investigation it was reported (in the British press) that toxicology tests had been made and the results would not be revealed publicly "out of respect for the families of the victims". I'm not sure how to interpret this given all the lies/disinformation and backtracking that has gone on in this case so far.

Edited October 8, 2014 by IslandLover

[KissMyAxe]

ANDREW DRUMMONDS latest on this is worth a read

KEY WITNESS DRIVES A HOLE THROUGH THAI POLICE CASE'

KAO TAO MURDERS - THE 'THIRD MAN' SPEAKS UP - 'I DO NOT BELIEVE MY FRIENDS DID IT'.

Edited October 8, 2014 by KissMyAxe

[SICHONSTEVE]

Well done for typing Sichon into a search engine and finding it is in NST.

Other than that, I haven't got a clue what you are on about!!!

As for the typos comment, that really has me perplexed ?????????

NST... Surat Thani... Both of these provinces are run by the same group you cherished during the protests. I wonder why their spokesperson attacked the owner of CSI LA, accusing him of being a Thaksin stooge, only there to discredit the current administration.

Now it may be far fetched but once you factor in these... Surat thani, Koh tao, illegal work force, mob family, donations... The wheels begin to turn. But could just be a figment of my imagination because surely you're interested in seeing justice for these poor souls but then again... Doesn't your lot despise RTP because they are as you say "red"? So why do you come out and defend them now I wonder?

My my!! you are a puzzling soul and you have a vivid sense of imagination.

Yes it is far fetched.

I think that the British police are the finest and most professional in the world .......and I despise them and hate all police generally. I don't know where you get my perceived love for the police from as that is far from the case!!

I'm not going to deny that I support the Democrats but what on earth is this mafia, mob, donations thing?

I am interested in seeing justice prevail, so lets just let where this goes.

South is not so much for democrats as they are for PAD. And you didnt cheer the democrats, you cheered them. You still didn't answer the question though. Do you agree with JTJ?

You clearly don't have much of a grasp of Thai politics - virtually every province in the South is Democrat (if not all) including those in the deep South!! I did cheer the Democrats with Abhisit the only decent politician out there plus the PAD are not a political party but a protest group that wanted the Shinawatra's out of politics as I did. In summary I supported both the Democrats and what PAD were doing.

Do I agree with John? I guess so, as I gave him quite a few 'likes' and am generally on the same wavelength as him regards what he has to say in his postings and so that is a qualitative yes.