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BTW,

If needed I would fight to protect my family in Thailand against a foreign invader.

I would do so without any incentives.

It's rarely that simple in actual wars.

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If I would fight for Thailand and join a foreign army I will have problems with the German government.

The Southerner wouldn't fight for Thailand, the Northeast might too not fight for Thailand and the Chinese in Bangkok would move to Singapore or Western countries and bring their money with them.

Thailand would be knocked years back. My guess is that Thai's will fight each other as they have been done for centuries.

I would bring my lassie and little boy to Singapore.

Really? I work with southerners and people from Isaan that are in the RTA

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Who here has actually been to war? I mean, seen actual combat. Not a supply tech sleeping in a safe base.

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BTW,

If needed I would fight to protect my family in Thailand against a foreign invader.

I would do so without any incentives.

It's rarely that simple in actual wars.

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Of course it is.

I have family here. I would fight to protect them against a foreign invader.

The reasons for an invasion would be immaterial to the need to protect my family.

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This is funny, Most of those that answered probably have never fought for anything in their lives except when they think they are being overcharged for a Chang. And how many of the "Shhhh I can tell you but I would have to kill you crowd" think they still have the skills needed if they ever had them at all.

Just think Vietnam vs France, Vietnam vs USA.

Speaking from experience?

From the looks of things I must have been channeling you

Yea my spidy senses have a habit of picking up ex spooks, cooks and radio operators from Langley....

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I draw the line at direct relatives. I don't consider myself strange for contributing to save a life of someone I have become close to. I can call it expedient but supporting my mother in law is a necessity because without me, nothing works.

I find it incredibly weird in their attitude to foreigners who are actively raising children in Thailand. Presuming that many are providing the finance to enable educating and caring for Thai citizens, they still make it hard for father's to stay, and largely impossible to work.

And I hold this against the British rules for immigration now, which can separate a family due to financial problems. Families should be together, and parents allowed to work to provide for their family. That is a basic right I believe.

Once had an argument with a Thai over this issue. He said that it is easy for me to get into Thailand but extremely difficult for a Thai to get into Britain. My response to him was; it maybe more difficult for a Thai to go to Britain, but once in they are in, and for farangs it maybe easier for them to get into Thailand, but once in the trick then becomes being able to stay here.

My personal opinion is and it is just my opinion not saying I am right, that as regards Immigration, Britain has got it wrong and Thailand has got it right because the Thais put the interests of their own people first plus I would hate to see Westerners given any footholds in Thailand, having been married to Thais and with families or not. The more difficult it becomes for farangs to stay here for the long term, the more I like it for various reasons, which now leads me back to the original topic of this thread that if Thailand ever offered westerners Thai citizenship for fighting in a Thai war the cons would out weight the pros because if the country fell to western influences it would eventually destroy Thai culture, Pattaya being a typical example how how Thailand would be shaped by influxes of farangs into the country.

I was shocked to learn some years ago that there is such a thing as war tourists, war torn countries that actually invite westerners to fight for them. They don`t get paid, just armed and they actually fight for fun. Difficult to believe but it`s fact. My point being that if Thailand did invite farangs to fight on their behalf than it would mostly attract the nutters rather than those fighting for a cause loyal to Thailand.

Neither have it right. Once married, with as many caveats as you like, there should be a simple path to residency and the right to work. Thailand has this wrong.

The UK has it wrong with their fake attempt to make the initial entry hard for married couples.

You are missing the point that one foreign group already took a foothold already in Thailand and took it over. There is nothing left for the farangs to control. The chinese already bought it all

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Who here has actually been to war? I mean, seen actual combat. Not a supply tech sleeping in a safe base.

And there will be fewer and fewer. For over 20 years the US military's emphasis has been on exposing fewer people to combat. The Nintendo Generation has the skills for future warfare: Floating robots, drones, and remote control tanks blowing each other up. Drones over Iraq are piloted remotely by Enlisted personnel in a safe building in Nevada. Many women.

The macho man with his helmet strap dangling and bombs going off all around is a relic of the past.

So, no I would not fight as my Nintendo skills are lacking.

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If they gave me a passport and every entitlement a Thai has with no strings attached, to protect my family in this country, then yeah, I'd do it.

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If they gave me a passport and every entitlement a Thai has with no strings attached, to protect my family in this country, then yeah, I'd do it.

so what your saying is, if they don't, then you don't intend to protect your family ?

being rather mercenary aren't you

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Regarding your OP, I was at "no" until you threw in the wife and kids stipulation. In that case, I would. In fact, who wouldn't? Although, I'm sure there's people in the this exact situation- citizens- that choose not to fight in war times. So I guess it's acceptable to sit things out. But I'm not sure I'd trust the Thai government to honor any deal unconditionally. I'm sure they'd reconsider after the next coup.

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I can't win the television remote control from my wife and son, both of whom are dual Thai/ Aussie citizens. What chance do I have of winning a war?

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I would fight only for my own country.

And why limit it to age 30's? For those of us who have handled rifles all of our lives and hunted and practiced many, many thousands of rounds, know how to disguise ourselves, know how to move around without been seen or smelled even by cagy wild animals...

I could kill 20 of them before they even knew where I was.

Even if they had signed up Chuck Norris?

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OK..... so let's change the rules a little.

Let's say that Thailand just happens to be at war with your home country.

Would you find it tough to make a decision?

Would you go back to your country and fight against Thailand?

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Good thread and good subject.

Impossible, wouldn`t happen because we would not be given the choice. If while as foreigners living in Thailand war was declared between our home countries and Thailand, we would either be thrown out, interned as possible enemies of the state, held as POWs or murdered. That would be the reality.

If i was young enough to be considered fit and able to fight for Thailand against a neighboring country and in return offered a citizenship for my efforts, I think yes I would, but it would have to be in the case where Thailand was at threat of being invaded by the other country and the other country were the aggressors that started the war in the first place. In other words fighting for Thailand to defend it, as the allies did trying to defend our countries during WW2, otherwise if I was offered a citizenship to go abroad and fight for Thailand as some sort of canon fodder, definitely a no, no.

Being realistic,that's all there is to it: Cannon fodder,and not even your Country!

Being realistic you have missed the point. The OP`s question was would you fight for Thailand if given Thai citizenship not as a foreign national or a mercenary.

Actually, without scrolling back, I think it's taking up arms for Thailand upon the offer of citizenship no?

My Thainess gained over a few years here dictates that I ask for the citizenship be fully conferred BEFORE I think about it.

Then I would think about it.

Then I would say no, but thanks for the second passport.

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If they gave me a passport and every entitlement a Thai has with no strings attached, to protect my family in this country, then yeah, I'd do it.

so what your saying is, if they don't, then you don't intend to protect your family ?

being rather mercenary aren't you

No, that's not what I'm saying at all, given that you know nothing about me or my family, allow me to explain.

My wife and all of her family have British citizenship, every single family member, brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces, and my mother in law who's been married to a farang for over 30 years.

My wife and I met in the UK, she'd been living there for over 20 years, she moved there when she was a kid with her parents, who moved back to Thailand about 8 years ago, we chose to move out here a couple of years ago, we live next door to each other.

Even though we still have business interests and property back there, we have no intention of ever moving back, that stuff is all in place as a 'plan B' should we ever need to bug out and return there for whatever reason.

So, what "I'm saying" is, if war were to break out, and Thailand gave me the option of staying and 'doing my bit' for King and country, and would reward me with a passport and all the trimmings, then I'd do it, that is of course assuming my wife and family were ok with that, maybe they would prefer to relocate back to the UK so we'd all be safe?

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Last week I was shopping at Tops supermarket in Robinson inside the Airport Plaza in Chiang Mai. 2 Thai ladies approached me and asked if I would contribute some money towards the refugees? I did not bother asking who are these refugees and responded by saying; the Thais would never let me stay in Thailand as a refugee or as anything else if I had no money and if i did fall down on my luck like so many other farangs who have been in the news lately and only saw one way out by committing suicide such as jumping off high buildings, would anyone give a rat`s behind about me, my welfare and whether I could survive or not? I think not. The 2 ladies looked at me in astonishment and failed to understand my attitude as most Thais do.

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I think they failed to understand what you were going on about. Nobody can discern attitude from something they don't understand.

A bit like pissing yourself in a dark suit. You felt warm but nobody noticed.

I agree with you BTW. Me first, sod the rest.

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This is funny, Most of those that answered probably have never fought for anything in their lives except when they think they are being overcharged for a Chang. And how many of the "Shhhh I can tell you but I would have to kill you crowd" think they still have the skills needed if they ever had them at all.

Just think Vietnam vs France, Vietnam vs USA.

If someone mess with my beer, it is time for fight tongue.png

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BTW,

If needed I would fight to protect my family in Thailand against a foreign invader.

I would do so without any incentives.

It's rarely that simple in actual wars.

Sent from my Lenovo S820_ROW using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Of course it is.

I have family here. I would fight to protect them against a foreign invader.

The reasons for an invasion would be immaterial to the need to protect my family.

The invader might have no problem with your family. They may even be the friendlier nation. And if not wouldn't it smarter to move your family?

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I already did, 47 years ago - on highland jungle patrols in the Phu Phan -- Isaan.

Not quite fighting for Thailand old chap, that was fighting for the US in Thailand because you didn't like the Commies.

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I already did, 47 years ago - on highland jungle patrols in the Phu Phan -- Isaan.

Not quite fighting for Thailand old chap, that was fighting for the US in Thailand because you didn't like the Commies.

But the thinking at the time was the "Domino Theory," that if VN fell, then one-by-one the other countries in SEA Asia, including Thailand, would fall.

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BTW,

If needed I would fight to protect my family in Thailand against a foreign invader.

I would do so without any incentives.

Maybe there would never be a need for you to fight for thailand because if my limited history serves me correctly Thailand has never gone into any serious conflict other than border disputes!

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If I would fight for Thailand and join a foreign army I will have problems with the German government.

The Southerner wouldn't fight for Thailand, the Northeast might too not fight for Thailand and the Chinese in Bangkok would move to Singapore or Western countries and bring their money with them.

Thailand would be knocked years back. My guess is that Thai's will fight each other as they have been done for centuries.

I would bring my lassie and little boy to Singapore.

Really? I work with southerners and people from Isaan that are in the RTA

Conscription (national service). Gets you every time.
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I already did, 47 years ago - on highland jungle patrols in the Phu Phan -- Isaan.

Not quite fighting for Thailand old chap, that was fighting for the US in Thailand because you didn't like the Commies.

But the thinking at the time was the "Domino Theory," that if VN fell, then one-by-one the other countries in SEA Asia, including Thailand, would fall.

Might be a great discussion, but certain laws might be an issue to discuss properly

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If I would fight for Thailand and join a foreign army I will have problems with the German government.

The Southerner wouldn't fight for Thailand, the Northeast might too not fight for Thailand and the Chinese in Bangkok would move to Singapore or Western countries and bring their money with them.

Thailand would be knocked years back. My guess is that Thai's will fight each other as they have been done for centuries.

I would bring my lassie and little boy to Singapore.

Really? I work with southerners and people from Isaan that are in the RTA
Conscription (national service). Gets you every time.

None of them were conscription.

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