Koh Tao murder trial rescheduled

[boomerangutang]

I just looked at the map of the region, and the nearest mainland city west of Ko Tao is Chumpon. How long would it take to drive as fast as possible from there to Bkk? Maybe 3 hours? If NS was one of the criminals on the beach, then the other perps would know he would need to get to Bkk a.s.a.p. in order to try and get an alibi. This would be particularly true if NS was the one who went beserk and/or if Mon were also a perp. Mon would naturally want to protect his nephew.

re; taking roll call in U. I was a lecturer for several months at a Thai U. I would take roll call at each class. When, after awhile, I showed my roll call data to my section superior, she looked at me and almost laughed. It was an amusing moment for her.

Also, Chumpon can't have too many hired cars which might be available at the break of dawn. Ask around. If nothing comes up, ok, then it's a cold lead.

[JLCrab]

You could also check all the control tower records in the area to see if there were any charter helicopters operating in the area that morning. And if there were no charter helicopters operating in the area that morning, that could just mean that all the control tower records have been 'cleansed'.

Edited January 3, 2015 by JLCrab

[stephen terry]

Now that a Frenchman has been found hanged with his hands tied behind his back, the indications are foul play (you don't say). If he indeed was murdered, possibly by the same gang, it is more likely that Nomsod (who is now a monk) is only a possible witness, rather than taking an active part in Hannah and David's deaths. Or he could be completely clear, but I don't think so as his actions throughout have been highly suspicious.

[stephen terry]

You could also check all the control tower records in the area to see if there were any charter helicopters operating in the area that morning. And if there were no charter helicopters operating in the area that morning, that could just mean that all the control tower records have been 'cleansed'.

...and check whether he had a police escort from Chumpon. Shouldn't be too difficult...

[JLCrab]

You could also check all the control tower records in the area to see if there were any charter helicopters operating in the area that morning. And if there were no charter helicopters operating in the area that morning, that could just mean that all the control tower records have been 'cleansed'.

...and check whether he had a police escort from Chumpon. Shouldn't be too difficult...

Sure no problem ... just call up the Chumpon police and ask to speak with anyone who hasn't been paid off not to talk about who they escorted to BKK from Chumpon morning 15 SEP 2014.

Edited January 3, 2015 by JLCrab

[greenchair]

You could also check all the control tower records in the area to see if there were any charter helicopters operating in the area that morning. And if there were no charter helicopters operating in the area that morning, that could just mean that all the control tower records have been 'cleansed'.

...and check whether he had a police escort from Chumpon. Shouldn't be too difficult...

Smart ass as you like. All this snooping around people are doing might just be a bit to close for comfort.

[JLCrab]

You could also check all the control tower records in the area to see if there were any charter helicopters operating in the area that morning. And if there were no charter helicopters operating in the area that morning, that could just mean that all the control tower records have been 'cleansed'.

...and check whether he had a police escort from Chumpon. Shouldn't be too difficult...

Smart ass as you like. All this snooping around people are doing might just be a bit to close for comfort.

What on earth are you talking about?

[Sirpia]

Will that footage be shown, or has it been destroyed?

The police chief was dismissed from the case the next day btw.

[loonodingle]

You could also check all the control tower records in the area to see if there were any charter helicopters operating in the area that morning. And if there were no charter helicopters operating in the area that morning, that could just mean that all the control tower records have been 'cleansed'.

...and check whether he had a police escort from Chumpon. Shouldn't be too difficult...

Guys, Nobody in Thailand who has any clout is going to check anything. The Police or prosecution. No Native Thai is speaking out despite the students spreading rumours on social media about Nomsod.

Thats Fear or Favour for you.

The people who can do something is the UK government who can protest. The defence who can counter their arguments. And then any foreigner who has the balls to speak out. It doesn't help when we see foreigners swinging from a rope though. Connected or not. Its a reminder why Sean McAnna was pooping himself because of what he knew. Genuine fear etched over his face. It was oozing from his pores like a man waiting to go to the electric chair. Calling his mother and sister, using every method he could to let the outside world ( Outside Koh Tao) he was about to meet his maker.

Why though..... He wasn't there was he. he told us he was in bed sick. Oh well lets all believe it was a random choice.... We believe you Sean McAnna... Not!!! ...............Tw@t

[greenchair]

You could also check all the control tower records in the area to see if there were any charter helicopters operating in the area that morning. And if there were no charter helicopters operating in the area that morning, that could just mean that all the control tower records have been 'cleansed'.

...and check whether he had a police escort from Chumpon. Shouldn't be too difficult...

Smart ass as you like. All this snooping around people are doing might just be a bit to close for comfort.

What on earth are you talking about?

?you? ?and me?

[boomerangutang]

Headlines we might (like to) see in not-too-distant future:

>>> Ko Tao Residents Form Own 'Citizens Protection Force' To Replace RTP.

subitle: claim they've lost trust for police, who are in Mafia-like family's pocket.

>>> Surat Thani Residents Sue To Withhold Police Salaries

subtitle: Assertions fly that police are not doing the jobs they're paid and trained to do.

>>> Two Burmese Suspects, Let Out of Prison After 12 months, Sue Police For False Imprisonment

>>> CCTV Footage From AC Bar Proves Altercation

subtitle: On Night Of Ko Tao Murders, once-hidden video shows relatives of Headman harassing Brit who didn't survive the night

[loonodingle]

Headlines we might (like to) see in not-too-distant future:

>>> Ko Tao Residents Form Own 'Citizens Protection Force' To Replace RTP.

subitle: claim they've lost trust for police, who are in Mafia-like family's pocket.

>>> Surat Thani Residents Sue To Withhold Police Salaries

subtitle: Assertions fly that police are not doing the jobs they're paid and trained to do.

>>> Two Burmese Suspects, Let Out of Prison After 12 months, Sue Police For False Imprisonment

>>> CCTV Footage From AC Bar Proves Altercation

subtitle: On Night Of Ko Tao Murders, once-hidden video shows relatives of Headman harassing Brit who didn't survive the night

LOL....you cant beat a sense of Humour.

Edited January 3, 2015 by loonodingle

[JohnThailandJohn]

Now that a Frenchman has been found hanged with his hands tied behind his back, the indications are foul play (you don't say). If he indeed was murdered, possibly by the same gang, it is more likely that Nomsod (who is now a monk) is only a possible witness, rather than taking an active part in Hannah and David's deaths. Or he could be completely clear, but I don't think so as his actions throughout have been highly suspicious.

You do realize he is not a monk or becoming a monk right? You can't be this far removed from Thai Culture can you? If so ask a Thai, if you know one, about the tradition for young Thai males to take time off stay at temple for a number of weeks. While they are called samaner while there since they are studying, it is not a commitment or even a desire to enter monkhood .... assuming you have been duped by Facebook or other less than less than credible source with an agenda if you really believe he has become a monk.

[JLCrab]

?you? ?and me?

Well, at least while ruminating on the Kao Tao doings, I'm not worried about being attacked by the guy across the street.

Edited January 3, 2015 by JLCrab

[loonodingle]

Now that a Frenchman has been found hanged with his hands tied behind his back, the indications are foul play (you don't say). If he indeed was murdered, possibly by the same gang, it is more likely that Nomsod (who is now a monk) is only a possible witness, rather than taking an active part in Hannah and David's deaths. Or he could be completely clear, but I don't think so as his actions throughout have been highly suspicious.

You do realize he is not a monk or becoming a monk right? You can't be this far removed from Thai Culture can you? If so ask a Thai, if you know one, about the tradition for young Thai males to take time off stay at temple for a number of weeks. While they are called samaner while there since they are studying, it is not a commitment or even a desire to enter monkhood .... assuming you have been duped by Facebook or other less than less than credible source with an agenda if you really believe he has become a monk

Is it true that some people who have committed crimes in Thailand become monks as a form of atonement. #

That's what my Thai wife just told me.

Do you dispute that JTJ?

[JohnThailandJohn]

Now that a Frenchman has been found hanged with his hands tied behind his back, the indications are foul play (you don't say). If he indeed was murdered, possibly by the same gang, it is more likely that Nomsod (who is now a monk) is only a possible witness, rather than taking an active part in Hannah and David's deaths. Or he could be completely clear, but I don't think so as his actions throughout have been highly suspicious.

You do realize he is not a monk or becoming a monk right? You can't be this far removed from Thai Culture can you? If so ask a Thai, if you know one, about the tradition for young Thai males to take time off stay at temple for a number of weeks. While they are called samaner while there since they are studying, it is not a commitment or even a desire to enter monkhood .... assuming you have been duped by Facebook or other less than less than credible source with an agenda if you really believe he has become a monk

Is it true that some people who have committed crimes in Thailand become monks as a form of atonement. #

That's what my Thai wife just told me.

Do you dispute that JTJ?

Are you just asking a completely non relevant question out of boredom or are you trying to perpetuate an untruth since I am unaware of anyone involved in the case becoming a monk or trying to become a monk especially not Nomsod.

Edit: Not to get to far off topic here as I was simply pointing out Nomsod is not becoming nor is he a monk but atonement in Buddhism is about forgiving others for wrongs they've done to you and not about atonement or forgiveness of ones own's wrong doings.

Edited January 3, 2015 by JohnThailandJohn

[englishoak]

Now that a Frenchman has been found hanged with his hands tied behind his back, the indications are foul play (you don't say). If he indeed was murdered, possibly by the same gang, it is more likely that Nomsod (who is now a monk) is only a possible witness, rather than taking an active part in Hannah and David's deaths. Or he could be completely clear, but I don't think so as his actions throughout have been highly suspicious.

You do realize he is not a monk or becoming a monk right? You can't be this far removed from Thai Culture can you? If so ask a Thai, if you know one, about the tradition for young Thai males to take time off stay at temple for a number of weeks. While they are called samaner while there since they are studying, it is not a commitment or even a desire to enter monkhood .... assuming you have been duped by Facebook or other less than less than credible source with an agenda if you really believe he has become a monk.

samaner as you like to put it is for minors or those under 18, he is neither.

It is also very common for people to don the robes for a period to cleanse themselves of bad karma for some wrong doing or if you prefer pay penance.

Its also common for criminals to don the robes in order to avoid prosecution and even questioning. I must say the coincidences keep on piling up re KT

Would you say that Suthep has become a monk or not ? Im certain hes as much interest as Nomsod but hes happily hiding in a temple and has been since the coup. If nomsod stays as a monk until after the KT trial is done or past songkran hes not there for the usual reason of merit, in fact hes already been wearing the robes for more than the norm anyway.

PS hes also been off island as a monk there are pics of him, also very unusual for one entering for a few weeks, they are nearly always confined to the temple grounds.

[JohnThailandJohn]

Now that a Frenchman has been found hanged with his hands tied behind his back, the indications are foul play (you don't say). If he indeed was murdered, possibly by the same gang, it is more likely that Nomsod (who is now a monk) is only a possible witness, rather than taking an active part in Hannah and David's deaths. Or he could be completely clear, but I don't think so as his actions throughout have been highly suspicious.

You do realize he is not a monk or becoming a monk right? You can't be this far removed from Thai Culture can you? If so ask a Thai, if you know one, about the tradition for young Thai males to take time off stay at temple for a number of weeks. While they are called samaner while there since they are studying, it is not a commitment or even a desire to enter monkhood .... assuming you have been duped by Facebook or other less than less than credible source with an agenda if you really believe he has become a monk.

samaner as you like to put it is for minors or those under 18, he is neither.

It is also very common for people to don the robes for a period to cleanse themselves of bad karma for some wrong doing or if you prefer pay penance.

Its also common for criminals to don the robes in order to avoid prosecution and even questioning. I must say the coincidences keep on piling up re KT

Would you say that Suthep has become a monk or not ? Im certain hes as much interest as Nomsod but hes happily hiding in a temple and has been since the coup. If nomsod stays as a monk until after the KT trial is done or past songkran hes not there for the usual reason of merit, in fact hes already been wearing the robes for more than the norm anyway.

PS hes also been off island as a monk there are pics of him, also very unusual for one entering for a few weeks, they are nearly always confined to the temple grounds.

You clearly have no idea what you are speaking about right from the first sentence to your last.

Edited January 3, 2015 by JohnThailandJohn

[loonodingle]

Now that a Frenchman has been found hanged with his hands tied behind his back, the indications are foul play (you don't say). If he indeed was murdered, possibly by the same gang, it is more likely that Nomsod (who is now a monk) is only a possible witness, rather than taking an active part in Hannah and David's deaths. Or he could be completely clear, but I don't think so as his actions throughout have been highly suspicious.

You do realize he is not a monk or becoming a monk right? You can't be this far removed from Thai Culture can you? If so ask a Thai, if you know one, about the tradition for young Thai males to take time off stay at temple for a number of weeks. While they are called samaner while there since they are studying, it is not a commitment or even a desire to enter monkhood .... assuming you have been duped by Facebook or other less than less than credible source with an agenda if you really believe he has become a monk

Is it true that some people who have committed crimes in Thailand become monks as a form of atonement. #

That's what my Thai wife just told me.

Do you dispute that JTJ?

Are you just asking a completely non relevant question out of boredom or are you trying to perpetuate an untruth since I am unaware of anyone involved in the case becoming a monk or trying to become a monk especially not Nomsod.

Edit: Not to get to far off topic here as I was simply pointing out Nomsod is not becoming nor is he a monk but atonement in Buddhism is about forgiving others for wrongs they've done to you and not about atonement or forgiveness of ones own's wrong doings.

JTJ Wiki of Thailand.

Well as I said. My Thai Wife and her mates all sat here reckon he is doing this because he do wong. Vely wong.. Sorry cant write Thai but that's how they speak.. In Fact one of them just came back from there.... a lot of people have a good idea what happened but they do not want speak out against a family with power. This vely stong famileee. U no speak u speak u die shure. Sorry tahts my translation again.

[englishoak]

Wow a one line answer with no proof ot detail on your part, now theres a surprise, lets break it down for you then.

I suggest you go check the meaning of Samaner and the typical time to go for young men is the rainy season around Songkran time mostly, hence why they are kept in temple when monks are there to teach and confined to base.

A couple of weeks during their main holidays is when students typically go 7 days is normal or a couple of weeks, longer is abnormal these days for students, especially during a semester and missing studies... March to May is normal beginning of October to end of is normal, now is not typical or normal, just saying since you are as usual not painting an accurate picture, in this case of Samaner or when young men go.

[JohnThailandJohn]

You do realize he is not a monk or becoming a monk right? You can't be this far removed from Thai Culture can you? If so ask a Thai, if you know one, about the tradition for young Thai males to take time off stay at temple for a number of weeks. While they are called samaner while there since they are studying, it is not a commitment or even a desire to enter monkhood .... assuming you have been duped by Facebook or other less than less than credible source with an agenda if you really believe he has become a monk[/size]

Is it true that some people who have committed crimes in Thailand become monks as a form of atonement. #

That's what my Thai wife just told me.

Do you dispute that JTJ?

Are you just asking a completely non relevant question out of boredom or are you trying to perpetuate an untruth since I am unaware of anyone involved in the case becoming a monk or trying to become a monk especially not Nomsod.

Edit: Not to get to far off topic here as I was simply pointing out Nomsod is not becoming nor is he a monk but atonement in Buddhism is about forgiving others for wrongs they've done to you and not about atonement or forgiveness of ones own's wrong doings.

JTJ Wiki of Thailand.

Well as I said. My Thai Wife and her mates all sat here reckon he is doing this because he do wong. Vely wong.. Sorry cant write Thai but that's how they speak.. In Fact one of them just came back from there.... a lot of people have a good idea what happened but they do not want speak out against a family with power. This vely stong famileee. U no speak u speak u die shure. Sorry tahts my translation again.

Ask them if they believe in ghosts .... not saying they are wrong or write but just pointing out opinions are just that and of course they would think this if they thought he was guilty but the fact is that it is very normal for him to be doing this especially when he has time off and if he is like the vast majority of Thai males he is doing it in large part to make his parents happy. He is just one of thousands (guess) of kids who do this at any given time in Thailand. Just because somebody may post a picture of him looking sad, doesn't mean he is feeling guilty nor does a picture of him looking happy mean he is reliving the rape ... unless of course you simply want to believe what you want to believe despite having any actual facts.

To be fair, nothing wrong with having instincts or beliefs in something even if there is not hard evidence but when it comes to these types of things, I try my best to stick with the facts or what is logical and plausible and all the facts and logic not only show he didn;t have anything to do with the murders but they also indicate he didn't. There is more reason to suspect posters here than him based on facts since he has provided DNA testing to numerous labs and solid evidence that he wasn't on the island that police check and verified after initially publicly accusing him based on incorrect information provided to them... so not even a motive for police to cover for him given they had no problem at all accusing him and his family initially as they did other suspects too including the farang friend of the victim and other Burmese.

Again, my point was simply to point out he is not a monk or becoming a monk... this is just a temporary thing young males do at some point in their life.

Edited January 3, 2015 by JohnThailandJohn

[JohnThailandJohn]

Wow a one line answer with no proof ot detail on your part, now theres a surprise, lets break it down for you then.

I suggest you go check the meaning of Samaner and the typical time to go for young men is the rainy season around Songkran time mostly, hence why they are kept in temple when monks are there to teach and confined to base.

A couple of weeks during their main holidays is when students typically go 7 days is normal or a couple of weeks, longer is abnormal these days for students, especially during a semester and missing studies... March to May is normal beginning of October to end of is normal, now is not typical or normal, just saying since you are as usual not painting an accurate picture, in this case of Samaner or when young men go.

A typical time to go is when you are on vacation or free to go and how long you go is a personal thing and only 7 days is not the least bit typical for this --- 3 or 7 days is what many people do every year and some more ... not the same thing (not getting head shaved) and they are both young and old and male and female despite your earlier comment of needing to be under 18. Even farnags come and spend a week or more at a temple.

But please go on spouting your nonsense and ever changing "facts" but for me to continue to respond is a bore as you can't educate somebody who doesn;t want to be educated even on things that are widely known and easily verified.

And by the way -- the rainy season isn;t in April.

Edited January 3, 2015 by JohnThailandJohn

[greenchair]

?you? ?and me?

Well, at least while ruminating on the Kao Tao doings, I'm not worried about being attacked by the guy across the street.

That's a bit weird ?

[englishoak]

That isnt Samaner or rather Sramanera your describing thats a simple retreat for a few days and your correct its not the same at all, i have family that do this annually too and they vary but its not becoming a monk or even required to become a novice as Nomsod has done.

Nomsod if you take note has had his head and eyebrows shaved as a novice monk does and had all the celebrations to go with it. How long he stays in is the question.

Never said April was rainy season only that is the time students go a lot due to school holidays being mid march to mid may.

Next silly argument ?

Edited January 3, 2015 by englishoak

[JohnThailandJohn]

the typical time to go for young men is the rainy season around Songkran time mostly

And by the way -- the rainy season isn;t in April.

Never said April was rainy season only that is the time students go a lot due to school holidays being mid march to mid may.

Did they move Songkran out of April or is this just another example of your evolving facts?

Edited January 4, 2015 by JohnThailandJohn

[The stuttering parrot]

Cracked me up with that one JTJ!

[JohnThailandJohn]

JTJ Wiki of Thailand.

Well as I said. My Thai Wife and her mates all sat here reckon he is doing this because he do wong. Vely wong.. Sorry cant write Thai but that's how they speak.. In Fact one of them just came back from there.... a lot of people have a good idea what happened but they do not want speak out against a family with power. This vely stong famileee. U no speak u speak u die shure. Sorry tahts my translation again.

PS - you get a like cause the accent made my smile

[JLCrab]

?you? ?and me?

Well, at least while ruminating on the Kao Tao doings, I'm not worried about being attacked by the guy across the street.

That's a bit weird ?

Why -- you can help solve murders on a faraway island but can't deal with the guy threatening you across the street.

[englishoak]

the typical time to go for young men is the rainy season around Songkran time mostly

And by the way -- the rainy season isn;t in April.

Never said April was rainy season only that is the time students go a lot due to school holidays being mid march to mid may.

Did they move Songkran out of April or is this just another example of your evolving facts?

Sigh your and annoying **** you really are.

Students are on break mid march to mid may... coincidently the rainy season usually kicks off from anywhere in late april to may, same time it also coincidently becomes low season too, directly after songkran, perhaps because its going into the raining season now theres a shocker.

Please dont come back debating the rainy season period ive checked for you.

http://www.thaizer.com/weather/when-is-the-rainy-season-in-thailand/

Point is students go when they have free time usually not in term dates. Nomsod should be back in class by this time next week if hes to catch the Jan term.

Edited January 4, 2015 by englishoak

[JohnThailandJohn]

the typical time to go for young men is the rainy season around Songkran time mostly

Never said April was rainy season only that is the time students go a lot due to school holidays being mid march to mid may.

Did they move Songkran out of April or is this just another example of your evolving facts?

Sigh your and annoying **** you really are.

Students are on break mid march to mid may... coincidently the rainy season usually kicks off from anywhere in late april to may, same time it also coincidently becomes low season too, directly after songkran, perhaps because its going into the raining season now theres a shocker.

Please dont come back debating the rainy season period ive checked for you.

http://www.thaizer.com/weather/when-is-the-rainy-season-in-thailand/

Point is students go when they have free time usually not in term dates. Nomsod should be back in class by this time next week if hes to catch the Jan term.

Given the link you provided confirms there is no region of Thailand where there is not at least 7 months having more rainfall than April it would seem your acts of deception are getting even more brazen. Not to mention NOBODY with any knowledge considers April the rainy season, it is the HOT season. Would it not have just been easier to ignore or just say you made a mistake? I was simply messing with you busting your chops about the rainy season comment but you keep doubling down and making yourself seem incredibly uncredible.

From your link:

Very broadly speaking, Thailand’s rainy season can be classified as May/June to October. For most of Thailand, the wettest months are usually August-October.

Edited January 4, 2015 by JohnThailandJohn