Thailand's road deaths - An elephant in the room?

[giddyup]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

l think you miss the point and there's no need for you in trying to be clever with me, if you don't understand my perception of what l see here in Thailand, so be it..

As you weren't specific when you said "it depends where you drive", I assumed that the less traffic and people the lower the risk. Was I wrong?

[brling]

8 hours ago, jeab1980 said:

JBeen driving here 15yrs plus never had an accident on the road. Never seen one to tell the truth. Driven in lots of other countries before Thailand, no diffrent in my opinion. 

Second worst country in the world for traffic deaths, and you want to defend that. Never seen an accident ? really. You thin skinned Thai apologists are pathetic.

[Kwasaki]

7 minutes ago, giddyup said:

As you weren't specific when you said "it depends where you drive", I assumed that the less traffic and people the lower the risk. Was I wrong?

No !!  l thought that depends where you drive was specific,  don't want to argue l find Thai roads safe maybe because of my western experience of driving Europe and Arab countries.

[NoshowJones]

1 hour ago, Suradit69 said:

So you mean everyone has to agree with someone expressing an opinion, especially when it is agenda-driven Thai bashing? .

 

"Thai bad, farang good" brigade makes an appearance no matter what the topic or what opinion is expressed, even if it has nothing to do with Thailand. 

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, you don't have to agree with it. if any particular poster keeps going on Thai bashing, I won't be pleased with it myself, as I think there is a lot of good in Thai people, but if someone has both negative and positive opinions about them, what is wrong with that?

[jeab1980]

32 minutes ago, brling said:

Second worst country in the world for traffic deaths, and you want to defend that. Never seen an accident ? really. You thin skinned Thai apologists are pathetic.

Where did i post about defending anything? You sir are the pathetic one who obviously can not read correctly. But i can assure you I AM NOT A THIA APOLOGIST. Ok now trot of to bed with you.

[NoshowJones]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Cobblers I'm entitled to my opinion too his a Thai basher from the western way of a brainwashed mind, get with Thailand's way or go. 

I am trying to understand what you are saying, as you do not seem to be an English native speaker, there is nothing wrong with that, your last five words seem to say that if you don't like something about Thailand then you should go back to your home country. That is wrong as posters are entitled to there opinion whether another poster likes it or not.

If you are not entitled to your opinion, then what is the point of posting?

[Grusa]

12 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

If a country is rife with corruption, road safety has an uphill climb; A corrupt country ends up being run not by people who merit the job, but by friends or relatives of people in power and those who “paid” for the job.... these people are very often incapable of performing their job properly.

As a result of years of graft, nepotism and corruption, ignorance and incompetence manifests itself in all aspects of life in that country as people rise to power that are unqualified for the positions they are allotted. This permeates all aspects of life, from politics through business and commerce to social issues - e.g. healthcare, and inevitably in any policies concerned with transport and road safety.

All those posting and counter-posting about driving skills etc. are missing this vital point. Not just road safety, but ALL public safety issues have an uphill climb! Indeed all public interest issues.

Until there is a total change of direction, starting with education, continuing through  policing, politics and business ethics, and climaxing in judicial impartiality and incorruptibility, Thailand will not improve its image or its record. This will not happen tomorrow, next week, or next year. The greatest driver, much as I detest it, will be social media, much beloved of the lo-sos. No longer can casual wrong-doing go undetected, unnoticed, uncommented, or unresisted.

The first Hi-sos to realise and act upon this will clean up - morally, financially, politically, and every other-ally. The last will probably languish in poverty, jail, or Bermuda.

[brling]

9 hours ago, jeab1980 said:

JBeen driving here 15yrs plus never had an accident on the road. Never seen one to tell the truth. Driven in lots of other countries before Thailand, no diffrent in my opinion. 

"NO different" so why has LOS got the tittle for the worlds second worst traffic deaths ?

[jeab1980]

22 minutes ago, brling said:

"NO different" so why has LOS got the tittle for the worlds second worst traffic deaths ?

No diffrent driving if you read my post correctly. Says nothing about driving standards. You are another poster who reads a post and puts his own spin on things. If someone dares to not have the same opinion as you you brand them a Thai apologist (another purley TV made up name by the way) you really need to read and digest and interprate post as they are written. There is no ambiguities in my post i state driving here is no diffrent from other countries i have driven in and that in 15+years i have never seen an accident with my own eyes. What part of that says im defending anything?

[madusa]

If the government can get all the wives of Thais men to say them when they leave home and about to enter the cars, "Honey, this may the last time we see each other , so take care when driving and if you died in accident I get all lands and property and I get to marry a younger man too".

This may work I believe.

[Old Croc]

I have one clue as to why the roads are so dangerous here in comparison to some western countries.

When my lady first visited Perth, and after a few days driving around,  she asked me in a very puzzled tone - "why are there no  motorbikes here".  I replied we do have bikes just not as many as in Thailand, nearly everyone in Australia buys a car.   It took another day before we actually spotted a big bike on the road.

 

[canthai55]

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

 

Mark Twain

[Enoon]

9 hours ago, jeab1980 said:

Again and to close this pointless debate with you as you will not accept others have diffrent views. NO luck involved if i do have an accident it will happen if i dont it wont happen. A  fact is something that can be proven not your opinion now thats a fact.

 

Taxi waiting behind a bus at traffic lights.  Stationary.  The all too familiar "runaway Thai heavy vehicle" slammed into it from behind.

 

This is the sort of accident that defensive driving/ good driving skills will not protect you, me or anyone else using the roads in Thailand from.

 

Because you won't be driving, you'll just be sitting there, when the drunk/asleep or "trying to use failed brakes" Thai slams into you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Scott]

Off-topic, inflammatory posts and replies removed.  

[jeab1980]

1 hour ago, Enoon said:

 

Taxi waiting behind a bus at traffic lights.  Stationary.  The all too familiar "runaway Thai heavy vehicle" slammed into it from behind.

 

This is the sort of accident that defensive driving/ good driving skills will not protect you, me or anyone else using the roads in Thailand from.

 

Because you won't be driving, you'll just be sitting there, when the drunk/asleep or "trying to use failed brakes" Thai slams into you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or when walking down the road and a tree hits you iether way your dead. Do i worry not one jot. Or a pissed up or druged up thai decided to shoot you. Its all relative. 

[giddyup]

51 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

Or when walking down the road and a tree hits you iether way your dead. Do i worry not one jot. Or a pissed up or druged up thai decided to shoot you. Its all relative. 

You just will not admit that some accidents are simply unavoidable will you? You seem to think that because you have not seen an accident or been involved in one in 15 years, that somehow makes you bulletproof. believe me, the statistics for being killed or seriously injured on the road are far greater than a tree falling on your head or being shot, but you persist with these ridiculous alternative scenarios, it's called living in denial.

[Airbagwill]

I note that not one single post on this thread addresses my proposition.

 

The only contributor with whom I share anything is Kwasaki, as in common with himself , I have absolutely no idea what he is talking about

[jeab1980]

All these accodents people keep on posting about yes i agree (i have never once said Thailand has not got a problem with traffic related deaths) what i said is quite simple to put it in a nutshell for hopefully all to understand. Luck (if there is such a beast which i belive there isnt) plays no part in anything. You and other drivers play the part in Thailands road deaths. I have publicly stated here several times (for which i have been called an apologist! Thin skinned and a fool but for the life of me i cant see why, i suspect beacuse people dont read post in full just graze the bit they want to see and fly to comment) i have not been involved in or indeed seen an accident happen with my own eyes. I have seen the pictures and read the news articles on accidents of course i have. I have alzo stated in my opinion driving in Thailand is no diffrent than driving any where wlse in the world (got the apologist rant for that one). I state i drive courteously, in a non aggressive manner, I read the road ahead and also i fully expect other drivers to do the unexpected i drive to  road and weather conditions if i see a vehicle behind tail gating i move over if possible to let the idiot pass not as i see constantly the "your not getting passed me syndrome)i dont care if i get somewhere 5hrs late i get there thats the point.  So please dont be saying you can be this that and the other or you lucky. I am no expert driver i am a safe as can be driver, i am constantly learning diffrent driving techniques. If you put yourself in harms way by driving as some say the Thai way then expect to get hurt. Thats not saying you will not be involved in a freak accident whilst persuing my style of driving. You pays your money and takes your chances but by driving efficiently you can greatly minimise those chances.

Now I will get the well i was sitting doing nothing and!!! Well as i said before shit happens driving or walking or flying.

[jeab1980]

6 minutes ago, giddyup said:

You just will not admit that some accidents are simply unavoidable will you? You seem to think that because you have not seen an accident or been involved in one in 15 years, that somehow makes you bulletproof. believe me, the statistics for being killed or seriously injured on the road are far greater than a tree falling on your head or being shot, but you persist with these ridiculous alternative scenarios, it's called living in denial.

You my friend are what i call a cyclops. Tunnel vision no one else can possibly have alternative options or opinnions or thoughts. No im not bullet proof and i can show you a couple of entry and exit wounds if it makes you feel better.

[giddyup]

23 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

This proves my point in the above post some trolls just want there 15 mins of fame  well i say fame more  15 mins of patheticness Enjoy then trot on 

For someone who says they been driving here 15 years, and never seen an accident, one would have to question your vision, and you keep responding in a futile attempt to justify yourself, but I'll let you have the final word.

[Rimmer]

Multiple off topic and bickering posts have been removed, topic is about Thailand's road deaths

[Airbagwill]

Actually the OP is about the role that Thailand's emergency services play in the numbers of deaths on the nation's roads.

 

Not that there has been a single reply about that....

[jeab1980]

5 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

Actually the OP is about the role that Thailand's emergency services play in the numbers of deaths on the nation's roads.

 

Not that there has been a single reply about that....

Is it sorry didnt read past the first two lines realised it was just another lets have a thai bashing thread. 

[Airbagwill]

QED If you have only read the first 2 lines, how do you come to any opinion at all?

[jeab1980]

33 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

QED If you have only read the first 2 lines, how do you come to any opinion at all?

Oh that's easy real opinnoon im not allowed to post

[Airbagwill]

Now the illiterates and those too lazy to read have left, I can summarize 

 

Basically it is my proposition that the high road death rate in Thailand is at least in part due to the unsatisfactory emergency services.

[Scott]

One post has been removed, but continuing to make personal remarks at other members will result in suspensions.  

 

 

[brling]

2 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

Now the illiterates and those too lazy to read have left, I can summarize 

 

Basically it is my proposition that the high road death rate in Thailand is at least in part due to the unsatisfactory emergency services.

Laughable,  So it is not Thai driving, blame emergency services. If the Thais could drive they would not need emergency services.  Next apologist please.

[Airbagwill]

8 hours ago, brling said:

Laughable,  So it is not Thai driving, blame emergency services. If the Thais could drive they would not need emergency services.  Next apologist please.

That is correct... To suggest that it is "Thai Driving"; is far to simplistic...this is a road safety issue not driving they are not the same.

I explained my reasoning in the OP. If you disagree try not to just gainsay, outline an alternative argument.

 

PS - I think it is worth noting that I gave been called both a "Thai basher" and a "Thai apologist" on this thread.

[giddyup]

1 hour ago, Airbagwill said:

That is correct... To suggest that it is "Thai Driving"; is far to simplistic...this is a road safety issue not driving they are not the same.

I explained my reasoning in the OP. If you disagree try not to just gainsay, outline an alternative argument.

 

PS - I think it is worth noting that I gave been called both a "Thai basher" and a "Thai apologist" on this thread.

Be clear in what you mean by "road safety issue", that term seems all encompassing to me. I see the five main causes of the road carnage as, disregard of road rules, alcohol/drugs, speeding, lack of driving skills, and lack of common sense.