13 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

You should learn to debate without throwing insults around. It's much better for body and mind.

 

Airbagwill may be Grouse's alter ego.

1 minute ago, simoh1490 said:

You're really drawing a parallel between the UK fighting Hitler and the Nazi's and Brexit, wow, that's pretty desperate!

You have obviously missed my "link"....

The UK paid back it's WW2 debt to the USA and in the mean time became a major financial power when all looked doom and gloom....

You should have a bit more faith in your country....

1 minute ago, transam said:

You have obviously missed my "link"....

The UK paid back it's WW2 debt to the USA and in the mean time became a major financial power when all looked doom and gloom....

You should have a bit more faith in your country....

Paid back indeed, 60 years later: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-American_loan

27 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

Most economists appreciate that there is more to life than money, and poverty is a small price to pay for being British.

I wouldn't pay anything for it, you are British because you were born in the UK, a coincidence, being in the EU doesn't change that but it might stop the poverty if things go downhill which of course they don't have to so you will still want to shout, rah,rah, and God bless the queen.

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

I wouldn't pay anything for it, you are British because you were born in the UK, a coincidence, being in the EU doesn't change that but it might stop the poverty if things go downhill which of course they don't have to so you will still want to shout, rah,rah, and God bless the queen.

Indeed we will, at least we have a Queen......

1 minute ago, transam said:

Indeed we will, at least we have a Queen......

TVF's got loads of 'em. 

8 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

Paid back indeed, 60 years later: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-American_loan

You are dodging a fact...The UK paid it back and is high up there with financial status for a small country....

Why is that....?

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Indeed we will, at least we have a Queen......

lots of them on hampstead heath

2 minutes ago, transam said:

You are dodging a fact...The UK paid it back and is high up there with financial status for a small country....

Why is that....?

You are aware that our credit rating was lowered not long ago: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41369239

5 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

You are aware that our credit rating was lowered not long ago: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41369239

You are still dodging my question...I don't give a stuff about your links...You just tell me how a broke UK came to be a huge financial player after WW2...?

Consumer spending in 2017 lowest since 6 years, something is feeding through, couldn't be brexit could it? nah.

1 minute ago, transam said:

You are still dodging my question...I don't give a stuff about your links...You just tell me how a broke UK came to be a huge financial player after WW2...?

good bankers, insurance companies with worldwide contacts? I don't think it was British Leyland.

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

Consumer spending in 2017 lowest since 6 years, something is feeding through, couldn't be brexit could it? nah.

Yes it could and is....When German bombs were bombing UK folk am sure similar stuff happened, but when that stuff was sorted the UK came out of it and excelled....

Japan did with the help of the USA, Germany did under the watchful eyes of the allies....

54 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

Most economists appreciate that there is more to life than money, and poverty is a small price to pay for being British.

Well you might be happy, but I much prefer being rich European elite, than poverty stricken British peasant. But I wasn't given the choice....

 

And you realize that the young are going to be mighty p*ssed off about this and in a few years they will be majority?

 

The UK was all ready on the verge of a demographic crisis http://uk.businessinsider.com/credit-suisse-demographic-report-a-serious-future-challenge-to-the-uks-financial-sustainability-2015-6

 

If Brexit creates a financial crisis as well, as most suspect, there is going to be nothing left in the pension pot to pay existing commitments - I would not blame the young for taking revenge on the elderly who precipitated it and reducing pensions considerably.  

1 minute ago, transam said:

Yes it could and is....When German bombs were bombing UK folk am sure similar stuff happened, but when that stuff was sorted the UK came out of it and excelled....

Japan did with the help of the USA, Germany did under the watchful eyes of the allies....

errrr how long ago was this? you will have to remind me as most of us weren't even born then.Britain actually received more money under the Marshall plan than Germany 2.7 billion dollars as opposed to 1.7 billion for Germany even though Germany suffered more damage than Britain. Germany invested in modern machinery, heaven only knows what the UK did with the loot

3 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

errrr how long ago was this? you will have to remind me as most of us weren't even born then.Britain actually received more money under the Marshall plan than Germany 2.7 billion dollars as opposed to 1.7 billion for Germany even though Germany suffered more damage than Britain. Germany invested in modern machinery, heaven only knows what the UK did with the loot

Did Germany pay for the change in my life regarding my dads injuries...Did Germany pay for my aunts husband called up to fight but was killed by them...

 

No, nothing......

33 minutes ago, transam said:

Yes it could and is....When German bombs were bombing UK folk am sure similar stuff happened, but when that stuff was sorted the UK came out of it and excelled....

Japan did with the help of the USA, Germany did under the watchful eyes of the allies....

And that is why the British Pound lost over 75% of its value compared to Euro currencies and US Dollar?

28 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

errrr how long ago was this? you will have to remind me as most of us weren't even born then.Britain actually received more money under the Marshall plan than Germany 2.7 billion dollars as opposed to 1.7 billion for Germany even though Germany suffered more damage than Britain. Germany invested in modern machinery, heaven only knows what the UK did with the loot

You are quite correct, but Germanys debt was written of in 1953, ours wasn't, forget that did we?

Trans equates a position of Remain as being unpatriotic and not supportive of the the UK, whereas in fact, the exact opposite is true. This is not a game, I don't think anyone is taking a Remain stance for any reason other than they love their home country and want to see the very best for it.

1 hour ago, transam said:

Did Germany pay for the change in my life regarding my dads injuries...Did Germany pay for my aunts husband called up to fight but was killed by them...

 

No, nothing......

don't be such a wimp, people get killed in wars everywhere that's its nature, my ex-wife's grandfather (German) had his leg blown off in Russia, he was in a punishment battalion mine clearing as a conscientious objector, he became good friends with my father who rather enjoyed the war in the navy, you can't pay for lives, it's pointless. anyway this is off topic.

58 minutes ago, vogie said:

You are quite correct, but Germanys debt was written of in 1953, ours wasn't, forget that did we?

perhap they remembered what happened after Versaille treaty and decided not to make the same mistake again,also Germany was a front line state in the cold war.

7 hours ago, soalbundy said:

This isn't a football match, losing has little to do with it, a very large percentage of the population feel that leaving is the wrong decision and out of concern for their country are voicing their concerns which is their democratic right ( you do consider the EU to be undemocratic don't you ) The chaos results from dreams meeting reality, red lines are turning green,eg fishing, brexit will be soft, this much we can safely assume,we have been shown where the power lies. 

I agree we’ve made too many concessions to the EU. But I believe once we're out we’ll be tweaking the relationship over the subsequent years – as we regain more and more control. Right now it is all about egos and the Brussels bureaucrats saving face.

 

A lot of people don’t realise how important the UK is to the EU.  That will become more apparent over the next few years as the EU struggles to survive among all the turmoil surrounding many of its remaining 27 member states.

 

The many self-defecating Brits who continually trash their own country will be surprised how the balance of power shifts, as the dogged, innovative Brits emerge strong again.   

Just now, soalbundy said:

perhap they remembered what happened after Versaille treaty and decided not to make the same mistake again,also Germany was a front line state in the cold war.

They certainly did remember what happened after the Versaille Treaty, but that does not alter the fact that Germany had all her money to rebuild and prosper, whilst we were still paying back our loan till 2006.

So if you are trying to make a point here, sorry, I just don't see it.

3 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

I agree we’ve made too many concessions to the EU. But I believe once we're out we’ll be tweaking the relationship over the subsequent years – as we regain more and more control. Right now it is all about egos and the Brussels bureaucrats saving face.

 

A lot of people don’t realise how important the UK is to the EU.  That will become more apparent over the next few years as the EU struggles to survive among all the turmoil surrounding many of its remaining 27 member states.

 

The many self-defecating Brits who continually trash their own country will be surprised how the balance of power shifts, as the dogged, innovative Brits emerge strong again.   

except for the last paragraph I agree.

Just now, vogie said:

They certainly did remember what happened after the Versaille Treaty, but that does not alter the fact that Germany had all her money to rebuild and prosper, whilst we were still paying back our loan till 2006.

So if you are trying to make a point here, sorry, I just don't see it.

Way off topic and I shant continue to argue about history.

2 hours ago, soalbundy said:

don't be such a wimp, people get killed in wars everywhere that's its nature, my ex-wife's grandfather (German) had his leg blown off in Russia, he was in a punishment battalion mine clearing as a conscientious objector, he became good friends with my father who rather enjoyed the war in the navy, you can't pay for lives, it's pointless. anyway this is off topic.

Maybe it's not.  Maybe some people are still fighting the last war.

 

I just throw their towels off the deck chair.

My love affair with Frau Merkel is over; this is the way forward

 

https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21739965-new-favourite-word-germanys-csu-heimat-bavarias-conservatives-are-embracing-identity

 

THIS is what the UK should be doing. Concentrate on "home". Tha' knows; Churches with lychgates, open fires, fish 'n' chips, bonfire night, Easter, Witsun, The Lake District, Pennine Way, AND PUBS! 

 

Enough of the loutish, yobbish behavior. Concentrate on what's important! Aright?

 

Sorry Mutti, es tut Mir leid ?

31 minutes ago, Grouse said:

My love affair with Frau Merkel is over; this is the way forward

 

https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21739965-new-favourite-word-germanys-csu-heimat-bavarias-conservatives-are-embracing-identity

 

THIS is what the UK should be doing. Concentrate on "home". Tha' knows; Churches with lychgates, open fires, fish 'n' chips, bonfire night, Easter, Witsun, The Lake District, Pennine Way, AND PUBS! 

 

Enough of the loutish, yobbish behavior. Concentrate on what's important! Aright?

 

Sorry Mutti, es tut Mir leid ?

Aye up lad. support the UK 

 

41 minutes ago, Grouse said:

My love affair with Frau Merkel is over; this is the way forward

 

https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21739965-new-favourite-word-germanys-csu-heimat-bavarias-conservatives-are-embracing-identity

 

THIS is what the UK should be doing. Concentrate on "home". Tha' knows; Churches with lychgates, open fires, fish 'n' chips, bonfire night, Easter, Witsun, The Lake District, Pennine Way, AND PUBS! 

 

Enough of the loutish, yobbish behavior. Concentrate on what's important! Aright?

 

Sorry Mutti, es tut Mir leid ?

Mutti wird Deinen Arsch versohlen

58 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

Aye up lad. support the UK 

 

I do. I fly Alan Bennett class me