PCX 2018 vs Nmax 2018

[maxipeon]

I you have the choice between the two which one you take? (And please no aerox).

 

On the new design I like the black and gold of the nmax, and still have the two disc brake, feel more secure with this bike.

And for the PCX 2018 I love the new LED tail light, and the new digital speedometer, plus you can charge your phone, gadget but I like it.

[canthai55]

A quick search revealed this topic - all 26 pages -

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/859140-honda-pcx-v-yamaha-n-max/

 

[idman]

One simple question should be enough for a decision on which one to buy.  Which one has ABS breaks??  All is nothing but fluff.

[HLover]

The Yamaha is not as good as the Honda on petrol efficiency.

Hope that helps a bit.

[ardokano]

10 hours ago, HLover said:

The Yamaha is not as good as the Honda on petrol efficiency.

Hope that helps a bit.

How is Honda petrol efifiency?

Yamaha if drive less than 80kmh can be near 3 lper km and if top speed 111-120 its be near 5.. So? How is Honda?

[HLover]

1 hour ago, ardokano said:

How is Honda petrol efifiency?

Yamaha if drive less than 80kmh can be near 3 lper km and if top speed 111-120 its be near 5.. So? How is Honda?

Not here for a debate, just passing on personal experience.

[ardokano]

23 minutes ago, HLover said:

Not here for a debate, just passing on personal experience.

Its not debate. Just asking your personal experience. So how many Honda use petrol?

[Rc2702]

3 hours ago, ardokano said:

Its not debate. Just asking your personal experience. So how many Honda use petrol?

Hiya ardokano long time no see. The dirty water still in the bottles at 711?

[Henryford]

21 hours ago, HLover said:

The Yamaha is not as good as the Honda on petrol efficiency.

Hope that helps a bit.

Petrol efficiency is a silly reason to choose any bike. At best it saves you a few bahts a day. Compare that to the possible life saving benefit of ABS.

[cornishcarlos]

Just go on which one has the best colour scheme... Everything else is immaterial :)

[eisfeld]

12 hours ago, ardokano said:

Yamaha if drive less than 80kmh can be near 3 lper km and if top speed 111-120 its be near 5

 

Wow, 3-5 liter per kilometer? I'll be broke before I reach 7/11.

[lust]

1 hour ago, Henryford said:

Petrol efficiency is a silly reason to choose any bike. At best it saves you a few bahts a day. Compare that to the possible life saving benefit of ABS.

I shake my head when people ask

about fuel economy on a scooter, lol.

[ardokano]

2 hours ago, eisfeld said:

 

Wow, 3-5 liter per kilometer? I'll be broke before I reach 7/11.

:))) 100 km.. I am not go 7/11 its crap;) 

[ardokano]

2 hours ago, lust said:

I shake my head when people ask

about fuel economy on a scooter, lol.

Why shake? On car can ask?;) on scooter can't? 5 litr 100km its as car;)

[VocalNeal]

On 3/9/2018 at 10:07 PM, ardokano said:

Yamaha if drive less than 80kmh can be near 3 lper km and if top speed 111-120 its be near 5.. So? How is Honda?

That is down to aerodynamics.

 

Quick and dirty calculation reveals that for 80 kph you need to use about 4.5hp but for 120 kph you need 13.5hp  so 3l/100kms up to 5 seems reasonable. 

 

General consensus is that Yamaha's have better build quality but Hondas are more popular. Go figure. Yamaha is mechanically more advanced. If one is into mechanical stuff.  

[ardokano]

4 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

That is down to aerodynamics.

 

Quick and dirty calculation reveals that for 80 kph you need to use about 4.5hp but for 120 kph you need 13.5hp  so 3l/100kms up to 5 seems reasonable. 

 

General consensus is that Yamaha's have better build quality but Hondas are more popular. Go figure. Yamaha is mechanically more advanced. If one is into mechanical stuff.  

Yep. I am not complained. Just say how many is Petrol efficiency on N Max. And ask guy how is on Honda.:)

[silver sea]

I am interested in buying the PCX 150 (2018). I visited the Honda shop in Hua Hin.

 

They only had one model in the shop which was red-black. The three other colour choices were: silver-black; black; and white black. If I didn’t want red-black it would take about one month for them to order a model in a diffetent colour.

 

The price they gave for the one in the shop was:

 

98,000 plus 2,700 for insurance, plus 1,500 for tax, so 102,200 in total.

 

I did a google search for pcx prices but the ones listed were all in Thai, but seemed to give the price as 82,300.

 

The prices quoted in the Honda shop seem to be on the high side.

 

What do other readers think please? 

[ardokano]

52 minutes ago, silver sea said:

I am interested in buying the PCX 150 (2018). I visited the Honda shop in Hua Hin.

 

They only had one model in the shop which was red-black. The three other colour choices were: silver-black; black; and white black. If I didn’t want red-black it would take about one month for them to order a model in a diffetent colour.

 

The price they gave for the one in the shop was:

 

98,000 plus 2,700 for insurance, plus 1,500 for tax, so 102,200 in total.

 

I did a google search for pcx prices but the ones listed were all in Thai, but seemed to give the price as 82,300.

 

The prices quoted in the Honda shop seem to be on the high side.

 

What do other readers think please? 

Price its recommendations. And 2700 for insurance if it not some 1 class or 2+ its to much. And maybe some extra have for this is price.  So you can discussion about price. And go to another shop.. 

[Agusts]

NMax has 13" wheels vs 14" of PCX, also some people report quite a bit of vibration felt from NMax at certain RPMs. On the other hand NMax has a more powerful engine and a bit lighter in weight, so has higher top speed, and at 6000 RPM it kicks in their variable valve actuation mechanism that gives it more torque and acceleration. Also PCX  has a larger fuel tank (as mentioned consumption on a scooter is really not a big deal). All of this mentioned on the other thread....

 

But the price of PCX quoted by dealers now make it a bit ridiculous to buy, so NMax becomes an outright winner if dealers are adding 15k on top of RRP of PCX... !

 

Here is my little chart - non accuracy disclosure etc. ! lol

 

	Honda Forza 300	Yamaha XMAX 300	Suzuki Burgnan 200	Honda PCX 150	Yamaha NMAX 155	Yamaha AeroX 155
Year for spec	2016	2017	2015	2015	2015	2017
Power (HP)	25.48	27.60	18.1	13.1	14.8	14.8
Torque (Nm)	26	29	16.8	13.1	14.4	13.8
Cooling system	Liquid	Liquid	Liquid	Liquid	Liquid	Liquid
Front tyre	120/70-14 ABS	120/70-15 ABS	110/90-13 ABS	90/90-14 CBS	110/70-13 ABS	110/80-14 ABS
Back tyre	140/70-13 ABS	140/70-14 ABS	130/70-12 ABS	100/90-14 CBS	130/70-13 ABS	140/70-14 ABS
Curb Weight (kg)	194	179	163	130	127	117
Power/Wieght Ratio (HP/kg)	0.1313	0.1542	0.1110	0.1008	0.1165	0.1265
Overall length (mm)	2,185	2,185	2,055	1,931	1,966	1,990
Width (mm)	750	775	740	737	740	700
Ground clearance (mm)	135	135	130	135	135	142
Wheelbase (mm)	1,540	1,540	1,465	1,315	1,350	1,350
Fuel capacity (litres)	12	13	11	8	6.6	4.6
Top speed (km/hr)	145	165	120	112	120	120
Underseat (litres)	48	45	45	25	?	25

[maxipeon]

On 3/9/2018 at 8:52 AM, canthai55 said:

A quick search revealed this topic - all 26 pages -

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/859140-honda-pcx-v-yamaha-n-max/

 

I just care about the 2018 ones.

[Agusts]

3 hours ago, maxipeon said:

I just care about the 2018 ones.

From what I read very little has changed on PCX 2018, in fact the last few years. I think some LED light, remote key, shape of the rear lights, some panels, 12v charger and few other very cosmetic stuff... (nothing to say I buy PCX 2018 because it's so much better than, say 2015...!). Well, it has I missed it...lol

 

[DILLIGAD]

From what I read very little has changed on PCX 2018, in fact the last few years. I think some LED light, remote key, shape of the rear lights, some panels, 12v charger and few other very cosmetic stuff... (nothing to say I buy PCX 2018 because it's so much better than, say 2015...!). Well, it has I missed it...lol
 

This sounds a little like a ‘what did the Romans ever do for us’ post! 555


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[canthai55]

True tho - a little fact checking shows cosmetic changes only.

[Agusts]

Honda has become very lazy in coming up with new models and/or descend upgrades to their scooters, they sell so much they think why change - but that maybe their downfall....

 

Everyone is waiting for a new Forza upgrade but I don't hold my breath....

[DILLIGAD]

Honda has become very lazy in coming up with new models and/or descend upgrades to their scooters, they sell so much they think why change - but that maybe their downfall....
 
Everyone is waiting for a new Forza upgrade but I don't hold my breath....

I like the new look of it, but haven’t seen any evidence that it’s coming or not coming to Thailand.


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[properperson]

 

i think given all the facts - The Aerox is the best.

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[canthai55]

 
i think given all the facts - The Aerox is the best.
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If you are not tall. Or have no legs.

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[Agusts]

I was thinking for a while I could get a 2nd hand Forza (about 4 years old and low mileage, good condition) for about 80k these days, that has a lot of power for overtaking in the hills and perfect for motorway cruising, good top speed and comfy seat. 

 

The downside is that it is fairly large, but comparing to NMax (my next best option - value for money, buy new or 2 years old, good condition, for 60k these days) , the Forza is just 20cm longer and 10cm wider, that doesn't sound much ... !!! Okay it's heavier but you get 26 HP.

 

XMax is great if you want to splash the cash, in a few years there will be excellent 2nd hand options on the market. I have no problem buying 2nd hand from a farang who looked after the bike. One owner from new, low mileage and you can hardly go wrong, and cheap to fix anything here - does your bike really have to be a virgin, it's not a girl you know... lol

 

PCX is my least favorite, lowest power, and new or 2nd hand prices are high due to popularity with Thais. I read somewhere it is the most stolen bike in Thailand - get a good insurance.... !? lol

 

Aerox is a good option, my friend has R version and comes with me on trips, very agile, but when I rode it I thought it was not that comfy, you could feel every bump on the road straight on your backside, but that's just me..... (it is a great bike nevertheless, value for money, my 3rd best option)

 

I love to hear from NMax owners about the handle vibration issue, if it really is an issue, comparing to other bikes, that would be a terrible downer for this bike as everything else is really great ! Okay top speed may be not that much for highway comparing to Forza/XMax but a good all-rounder... 

 

Suzuki Burgman is not really here or there and not many about for a good 2nd hand deal, I think new prices are a bit high for what you get. Power and top speed not that much better than 150cc bikes...!

 

 

[ardokano]

6 hours ago, properperson said:

 

i think given all the facts - The Aerox is the best.

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Nice scooter. But not have disc brakes.

[properperson]

8 hours ago, ardokano said:

Nice scooter. But not have disc brakes.

 

Its a scooter <deleted> !

 

Aerox has disc on the front and drum on the rear...

 

Thats ok for the performance of the bike.

 

Many seem to agree - Aerox now Yamaha's best selling bike.

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Edited March 21, 2018 by properperson