Is that what we are discussing mate? The question is do you think it is irresponsible raising your children in Pattaya?  I don't think it irresponsible but it's not somewhere I would choose to raise my children. Get it? Maybe you should start a thread on whether raising your children in London or New York is irresponsible pillock cos I couldn't give a rats. Fyckks sake . It's like boxing a blind man.

I was just highlighting the stupidity of your trolling question. You see one thing then generalise to the whole population of the city. The answer is no, it's not responsible, both our daughters grew up there and are now at university. If you got a uni education before then you will know that it's mainly nurture, not nature. Obviously you don't.

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On 4/3/2018 at 4:30 PM, dfdgfdfdgs said:

I wonder if they begin to think of sex as more of a commodity.  Or maybe they just end up with a more liberal view about sex.  Or maybe there is no difference between what they think and what any other girl in the rest of Thailand thinks.

i think the world over people think of sex as a commodity.

all of those young girls in amateur porn and the like are coming from somewhere.

Westerners that impregnate ex bar girls are totall dick heads to start with but they have an obligation to give their children a first world education. Do the right thing and start the visa process.

However Pattaya attracts low lives that have only self interest hence the poor kids are blocked at a fair shot at life

Sad.

personally id be more worried about the internet's effect on my child than pattaya.

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49 minutes ago, HooHaa said:

personally id be more worried about the internet's effect on my child than pattaya.

It is allowed to keep two thing in mind at same time ;-)

 

So what is an ideal childhood? Think about it!

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

But you did insult me before and you have just done so once again.

 

Do you ever read ANY post before you reply?

 

If you do please tell me where ,when and how long I have had a daughter. I know I have a son in the UK and another son here in Thailand, but a daughter, sadly no.

 

I DO have a niece and freely admit I know nothing of her sexual habits. At 24 I figure that she is big enough to look after herself.

 

Using yourself as an example of a researcher I can understand why people think that most of the research papers, results etc are not worth bothering with. Piles of "facts" and results that mean little or nothing to the average person are generated and don't change a thing.

Use google sir

On 4/3/2018 at 3:55 PM, Halfaboy said:

Not many children are being raise at Walking Street or Soi Buakhao. On the Dark Site are beautiful villages with plenty of space to play.

 

I don't see the problem.

Some people actually think Walking Street is all of Pattaya.

 

On 4/3/2018 at 3:30 PM, dfdgfdfdgs said:

I wonder if they begin to think of sex as more of a commodity.  Or maybe they just end up with a more liberal view about sex.  Or maybe there is no difference between what they think and what any other girl in the rest of Thailand thinks.

"...what any other girl in the rest of Thailand thinks."

 

Not all children are girls and most children in Pattaya have no more exposure to sex than if they lived elsewhere in Thailand and probably less than western children with easy access to cable TV and dubious Internet sites.

 

I have a Thai friend with a young daughter living on the "dark side," and she's never been anywhere near a gogo bar or anything of that sort.

I haven't heard anything about the dangers of little Johnny finding his feminine side due to all the LB's. Yikes............

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

I haven't heard anything about the dangers of little Johnny finding his feminine side due to all the LB's. Yikes............

About as likely as little Johnny becoming a foreign sex tourist "due to" their concentrated presence in some parts of town. Welcome to the 21st century.

"...what any other girl in the rest of Thailand thinks."
 
Not all children are girls and most children in Pattaya have no more exposure to sex than if they lived elsewhere in Thailand and probably less than western children with easy access to cable TV and dubious Internet sites.
 
I have a Thai friend with a young daughter living on the "dark side," and she's never been anywhere near a gogo bar or anything of that sort.

Of course just like you told your parents you never dabbled in drugs

Use your brain if you're living on the dark side it's not because of being flash with cash and the easy going acceptance on prostitution will see her on beach Rd working on a new iPhone because her dad is a just a pensioner

Take them home to 1st world and a real life instead of being deadbeat Pattaya dads!

No more excuses.

14 hours ago, trianglechoke said:

Use google sir

 

Use people sir. They are more reliable.

Just now, brewsterbudgen said:

If the child is raised well why would it matter where they are raised? Very strange thread.

I think that no matter who your parents are, or how well you raise your kids, there is always a chance they can go off the rails or so to speak, through no fault of the parents.  In Pattaya, they perhaps have more opportunity to do so than they would elsewhere/they're more exposed to corruptible influences?

Just now, chrisinth said:

Wonderful example. Up here in Phitsanulok my son and daughter were surrounded by farmers (and their wives)throughout their growing up years. Strangely, neither of them went down that road.

 

Not quite sure farming is the same.  Not much money, a lot more work etc.

Just now, darksidedog said:

A number of Off Topic Bickering posts have been deleted. This whole thread is on very thin ice.

 

I missed those posts but why is it on very thin ice?  I think Thai visa forum has a lack of content and closing threads for no apparent reason is not healthy for the forum.  Civilised debate is to be encouraged, even if the topics are a bit taboo.

Just now, Blackheart1916 said:

If, in a city the size of Pattaya, you can't manage to keep your kids away from Soi 6/WS/Bukhao et al, you are not fit to be a parent.

What about walking through Big C, the white guys with thai women a third of their age?  The queue of bleached haired tattooed scantily clad females queuing up at the western union desk to collect their monthly stipend from their overseas lovers?  Etc etc.  These examples are a little tongue in cheek so don't take them entirely literally, but the point is that you can't escape prostitution (I'm not saying every white guy with a younger gf is dating a prostitute) and other nefarious goings on in Pattaya, because the people engaging in that don't spend every minute of every day in those areas you mentioned. A young child would not be aware of it or understand it but a teenager would start to cotton on.  It would be mentioned at school a lot more.  Certain abnormal behaviours might be observed and copied by impressionable teens.  How some people dress in Pattaya is not typical with the rest of Thai society; that might be copied as well...

 

Just now, manarak said:

and that would be very bad, wouldn't it ...

 

The opposite I'd say, why do you think it would be bad?

13 minutes ago, dfdgfdfdgs said:

What about walking through Big C, the white guys with thai women a third of their age?  The queue of bleached haired tattooed scantily clad females queuing up at the western union desk to collect their monthly stipend from their overseas lovers?  Etc etc.  These examples are a little tongue in cheek so don't take them entirely literally, but the point is that you can't escape prostitution (I'm not saying every white guy with a younger gf is dating a prostitute) and other nefarious goings on in Pattaya, because the people engaging in that don't spend every minute of every day in those areas you mentioned. A young child would not be aware of it or understand it but a teenager would start to cotton on.  It would be mentioned at school a lot more.  Certain abnormal behaviours might be observed and copied by impressionable teens.  How some people dress in Pattaya is not typical with the rest of Thai society; that might be copied as well...

Thanks for the reply mate, but you have pretty much answered your own questions. I think young kids don't care who's doing what as long as they have an ice cream, and teenagers don't want to be anywhere near old squares like me, and Pattaya is a big big place!

Just now, Peterw42 said:

So logically speaking, most bargirls and hookers come from issan, they were raised in issan. Therefore isnt it irresponsible parenting to raise your children in issan. The place where many go on to be hookers.

Quite possibly yes but not in the same sense.  There is no direct exposure to it in Isaan, or at least much less.  Girls who move from Isaan to Pattaya are doing so because they are actively seeking out what Pattaya has to offer.  Girls with no interest in that sort of career move will not be inadvertently corrupted by it because they are not exposed to it.  Nobody moves from Pattaya to Isaan to be a prostitute do they, so that suggests that the 'problem' is Pattaya, not Isaan?

Just now, trianglechoke said:

Many BKK hooker girls are not isan girls but actual bkk girls who now see getting paid to sleep around as close to normal.

I've found the same attitudes.  Maybe growing up in a western country where prostitution is more taboo, it's more shocking to me to see how relaxed their attitudes are towards it, and perhaps I'm a prude, after all, they're just having sex.  Their attitude is, I'm single, I would be having sex anyway, why not get paid for it?  And you can't fault the logic.  If half-decent looking girls were offering me 2000 baht to have sex would I say no?  No...

19 minutes ago, dfdgfdfdgs said:

I've found the same attitudes.  Maybe growing up in a western country where prostitution is more taboo, it's more shocking to me to see how relaxed their attitudes are towards it, and perhaps I'm a prude, after all, they're just having sex.  Their attitude is, I'm single, I would be having sex anyway, why not get paid for it?  And you can't fault the logic.  If half-decent looking girls were offering me 2000 baht to have sex would I say no?  No...

Then we would all have to move our kids away because you would be the corrupting influence.

Just now, Peterw42 said:

Pattaya a couple of times a week, shopping malls, cinema etc and in the middle of the day, not much contact with the bars, bargirls, sexpats etc. I even drive down walking street to get back home, the bars are shut during the day.

"not much" so there is contact then.  I'm not criticising you, it's just unavoidable.  and the youth will mix more because that's just what youth do,  they have lots more friends and socialise more than adults do.

 

and walking down walking street in the middle of the day as an impressionable young girl, you think they don't look at all those signs with half naked girls on and after a while it starts to become normal to them?  I wouldn't take my daughter or son down there at any time of day, personally.

"not much" so there is contact then.  I'm not criticising you, it's just unavoidable.  and the youth will mix more because that's just what youth do,  they have lots more friends and socialise more than adults do.
 
and walking down walking street in the middle of the day as an impressionable young girl, you think they don't look at all those signs with half naked girls on and after a while it starts to become normal to them?  I wouldn't take my daughter or son down there at any time of day, personally.

So do you not let your daughter or son use the internet until they are 18 because there's so much porn? Lol.

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Just now, HooHaa said:

all of those young girls in amateur porn and the like are coming from somewhere.

Porn is not the same as prostitution.  But that's another debate.

23 hours ago, InMyShadow said:

Of course just like you told your parents you never dabbled in drugs

Use your brain if you're living on the dark side it's not because of being flash with cash and the easy going acceptance on prostitution will see her on beach Rd working on a new iPhone because her dad is a just a pensioner

Take them home to 1st world and a real life instead of being deadbeat Pattaya dads!

No more excuses.

         What rot. There is an area of Pattaya known as the darkside but that's the only thing you got right.  

On ‎05‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 7:44 PM, dfdgfdfdgs said:

Porn is not the same as prostitution.  But that's another debate.

Porn = having sex for money isn't prostitution?

It's different.  Both male and female in porn are working.  Only one is working in prostitution.

 

Safer environment, more regulated, less chance of contracting diseases...

 

In most countries making porn is legal whereas prostitution usually isn't.