Australia paper defends Serena Williams cartoon despite outrage

[balo]

1 hour ago, ParadiseLost said:

As white as you can get in a supposed 1st world democracy...

 

In the "white nation" Norway we have people from immigrant families in the government.  I believe originally from India and Pakistan . But I have not seen a black face among them yet .   

  

 

[SheungWan]

5 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

My gf back in the States is black.  She voted for Trump. I have a black kid. We all thought the cartoon was funny. I think there are a lot of Americans that play the race card when it's a duece and not an ace.

It's a cartoon. 

There are cartoons and cartoons. However, as for the comment "there are a lot of....that play the race card when its a deuce and not an ace", well maybe, but in this particular case Williams played the card hoping the card might turn into an ace while the game was still on. The tantrum was out and out bullying in response to her disruptive tactics which had been called out according to the rules. Full support to the International Tennis Federation (ITF) from me.

[Rimmer]

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[mauGR1]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

Although I was replying to the person who stated that people who feel that the cartoon wasnt racist , must be mentally ill , that is common among some people , they cannot accept that other people may have differing opinions

Fair enough, my point was that every political opinion have their fair share of obtuse and intolerant people.

[marcusarelus]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

There are cartoons and cartoons. However, as for the comment "there are a lot of....that play the race card when its a deuce and not an ace", well maybe, but in this particular case Williams played the card hoping the card might turn into an ace while the game was still on. The tantrum was out and out bullying in response to her disruptive tactics which had been called out according to the rules. Full support to the International Tennis Federation (ITF) from me.

I think most people would agree with you.  No excuse for the tantrum.  But I think this thread is about a racist cartoon.  It's a racist cartoon and the Aussies don't want to admit it.  If they want to publish a racist cartoon it's OK by me but admit what it is and get over it.  Australia doesn't have many blacks I don't see how racism will ever be much of a problem there.  If they want to be racist who cares?  America has about as many Eskimos as Australia has blacks.  And the average Aussie knows as much about blacks as the average American knows about Eskimos.  Aussies don't know anything about racism.  I'd give them a pass on this one. 

 

I mistakenly said anyone who didn't think it was a racist cartoon was a little off.  I'm sorry about that.  I should have said anyone who knows anything about black people or racism would be a bit off not to think the cartoon was racist.  The Aussies don't know any better and can't be held to the same standard as an American or any person who has a significant amount of experience with black people. 

[marcusarelus]

41 minutes ago, car720 said:

So the other 76.5 percent must be nancies then. 

 

[Nyezhov]

3 hours ago, giddyup said:

 Is this the world-wide condemnation you are talking about?

CNN, that bastion of Truth is part of it. Baying dogs of PC. 

 

Know you Ozzie's know how Trump supporters feel.

[Nyezhov]

24 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

America has about as many Eskimos as Australia has blacks.  And the average Aussie knows as much about blacks as the average American knows about Eskimos.  

 

 

How dare you use that term. They are called Native Alaskans, not that name that you use which was thrown on them by paternalistic evil white people who stole their land. I think you owe Native Aaskans an apology. 

 

Bigoted and racist.

[Nyezhov]

1 hour ago, car720 said:

I don't think they like the cold weather.

Someone's going to scream that comment is racist

[watcharacters]

 

This thread is in dire need of a little levity;

 

From the winner comes https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/naomi-osaka-ellen-degeneres_us_5b97e3c8e4b0cf7b0043fd9c

 

A delightful young lady.

[marcusarelus]

39 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

How dare you use that term. They are called Native Alaskans, not that name that you use which was thrown on them by paternalistic evil white people who stole their land. I think you owe Native Aaskans an apology. 

 

Bigoted and racist.

I didn't know.  Sorry.  America does not have many Eskimos how am I supposed to know about them?  Same as Australians with blacks.  Give us a break!

[mfd101]

One thing the non-Australians on this thread seem unaware of is that Australia has a larger proportion (some 30%) of citizens born in other countries than has any other 'Western' country, including even Canada and even more so Usofa. As a result it has one of the highest population growth rates of any 'Western' country.

 

The main sources of immigration to Oz - also proportionately still the highest in the Western world - are, in order, China, UK, India, NZ, Philippines, Vietnam ... And all living pretty cheerfully together in a prosperous economy that hasn't had a recession for a record-shattering 27 years.

 

Of course Oz has its share of morons, ignoramuses, & racists, like every other country, but even the Asian governments which are our neighbours and are not our natural cultural friends have long acknowledged that Oz is a hugely-successful multicultural nation. Long may it remain so.

[RickBradford]

13 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

I didn't know.  Sorry.  America does not have many Eskimos how am I supposed to know about them?  Same as Australians with blacks.  Give us a break!

Don't call any of them Eskimos -- to the people of the far north of Canada and Greenland that is a pejorative word which has not been used in knowledgeable circles, that is, not racists or chavs,  for decades.

 

It's like assuming all Asian people are Chinese and calling them all .. , well, I won't use the word, but you know what it is. They are to be called Inuit, or by a more precise tribal description.

 

Check your privilege.

[giddyup]

1 hour ago, marcusarelus said:

 I mistakenly said anyone who didn't think it was a racist cartoon was a little off.  I'm sorry about that.  I should have said anyone who knows anything about black people or racism would be a bit off not to think the cartoon was racist.  The Aussies don't know any better and can't be held to the same standard as an American or any person who has a significant amount of experience with black people. 

Your comments really make no sense and reek of trolling. "An American who has a significant amount of experience with black people", who is that exactly, a cop who works in Harlem, a prison officer, a jazz musician, who? And why wouldn't an Aussie who works on an Aboriginal reserve as a teacher, nurse, counsellor have experience, or in inner city Redfern. You obviously have some kind of hang-up about Aussies and I think that dislike is clouding your judgement. In fact I would accuse you of racial profiling.

[marcusarelus]

3 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

Don't call any of them Eskimos -- to the people of the far north of Canada and Greenland that is a pejorative word which has not been used in knowledgeable circles, that is, not racists or chavs,  for decades.

 

It's like assuming all Asian people are Chinese and calling them all .. , well, I won't use the word, but you know what it is. They are to be called Inuit, or by a more precise tribal description.

 

Check your privilege.

Check you local Eskimo.  Many Native Alaskans still refer to themselves as Eskimos, in part because the word Inuit isn't part of the Yupik languages of Alaska and Siberia. US census bureau still uses the term Eskimo.  In 1960, categories for Aleut and Eskimo were added in Alaska only. Since 2000, the category has grouped both of these together as “American Indian or Alaska Native,” and the census form provides a blank space to specify a tribe.

[marcusarelus]

10 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Your comments really make no sense and reek of trolling. "An American who has a significant amount of experience with black people", who is that exactly, a cop who works in Harlem, a prison officer, a jazz musician, who? And why wouldn't an Aussie who works on an Aboriginal reserve as a teacher, nurse, counsellor have experience, or in inner city Redfern. You obviously have some kind of hang-up about Aussies and I think that dislike is clouding your judgement. In fact I would accuse you of racial profiling.

I lived with black people from the day I came home from the hospital.  I went to grade school, HS with black people and in college and the Army had a black roommates.

 

I have a good idea what American blacks think racism is.   

 

Australian Aboriginals are not like American blacks.  American blacks were slaves and that changed the life experience of both black and white Americans. 

[RickBradford]

3 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Check you local Eskimo.  Many Native Alaskans still refer to themselves as Eskimos, in part because the word Inuit isn't part of the Yupik languages of Alaska and Siberia. US census bureau still uses the term Eskimo.  In 1960, categories for Aleut and Eskimo were added in Alaska only. Since 2000, the category has grouped both of these together as “American Indian or Alaska Native,” and the census form provides a blank space to specify a tribe.

Not only did President Obama sign legislation in 2016 to remove the word 'Eskimo' from Federal statutes, but also Canada  a long time ago removed the word from official documents.

 

It may well be that Native Alaskans don't have another word to describe themselves, but I think there are words used between members of the black community in the US which an outsider should not use.

 

The communities in Canada and Greenland find the word offensive, and both the US and Canadian governments have respected their wishes in this matter. It should not be bandied around by outsiders.

[marcusarelus]

1 minute ago, RickBradford said:

Not only did President Obama sign legislation in 2016 to remove the word 'Eskimo' from Federal statutes, but also Canada  a long time ago removed the word from official documents.

 

It may well be that Native Alaskans don't have another word to describe themselves, but I think there are words used between members of the black community in the US which an outsider should not use.

 

The communities in Canada and Greenland find the word offensive, and both the US and Canadian governments have respected their wishes in this matter. It should not be bandied around by outsiders.

I am not a Canadian and like I said the term is still used by the US government and me. 

 

But my point was that I know as much about Eskimos as Australians know about Blacks and that's not much. 

[sanemax]

1 hour ago, marcusarelus said:

But I think this thread is about a racist cartoon.  It's a racist cartoon and the Aussies don't want to admit it.  If they want to publish a racist cartoon it's OK by me but admit what it is and get over it. 

Could you explain why you think that the cartoon is racist ?

Please dont give your answer Bluesy style with just another claim that its racist .

Explain why you feel that the cartoon is racist .

[KMartinHandyman]

Not only did President Obama sign legislation in 2016 to remove the word 'Eskimo' from Federal statutes, but also Canada  a long time ago removed the word from official documents.
 
It may well be that Native Alaskans don't have another word to describe themselves, but I think there are words used between members of the black community in the US which an outsider should not use.
 
The communities in Canada and Greenland find the word offensive, and both the US and Canadian governments have respected their wishes in this matter. It should not be bandied around by outsiders.

He also changed McKinley to Denali. It doesn’t make him right.

[marcusarelus]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Could you explain why you think that the cartoon is racist ?

Please dont give your answer Bluesy style with just another claim that its racist .

Explain why you feel that the cartoon is racist .

In America when cartoon movies (1920's) were invented there were many black stereotype cartoon characters that all looked like the Australian drawing.  The purpose of the cartoons were to mock black people and justify the segregation laws of the time. There is a Jim Crow museum of of racist memorabilia at Ferris State university (my daughter went to school there) you might want to take a look at the exhibits to notice the similarities.  The average Aussie is not aware of these things where the average American like me is acutely aware of them and the rest of the world is knowledgeable of them. 

[mfd101]

Re the cartoon, I think there is rather a cultural barrier here between Australians & Usofans.

 

Australians have a strong sense of 'a fair go' and of sportsmanship. These are major elements in Oz culture. In Oz you get a prize just for turning up. It's not the winner-takes-all culture of Usofa.

 

Australians object STRONGLY to prominent rich people who behave badly and can't bare to come second. Any Australian watching the match the other day would have been appalled by Williams' behaviour and would have nodded their agreement with the subsequent cartoon. She deserved what she got, would be their attitude. Sensitivity to the race aspect would not have been part of their consciousness and they, like me, would now feel that no apology is warranted.

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

In America when cartoon movies (1920's) were invented there were many black stereotype cartoon characters that all looked like the Australian drawing.  The purpose of the cartoons were to mock black people and justify the segregation laws of the time. There is a Jim Crow museum of of racist memorabilia at Ferris State university (my daughter went to school there) you might want to take a look at the exhibits to notice the similarities.  The average Aussie is not aware of these things where the average American like me is acutely aware of them and the rest of the world is knowledgeable of them. 

The cartoons from the 1920s may well have had racial connotations (I dont know) , but we are not talking about cartoons from 100 years ago , we are talking about cartoons from 2018 .

   We are talking about a cartoon from last week , not cartoons from 100 years ago

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, marcusarelus said:

In America when cartoon movies (1920's) were invented there were many black stereotype cartoon characters that all looked like the Australian drawing.  The purpose of the cartoons were to mock black people and justify the segregation laws of the time. There is a Jim Crow museum of of racist memorabilia at Ferris State university (my daughter went to school there) you might want to take a look at the exhibits to notice the similarities.  The average Aussie is not aware of these things where the average American like me is acutely aware of them and the rest of the world is knowledgeable of them. 

Not an answer to why you find this cartoon racist. No segregation laws in Australia and the cartoon specifically mocked Serena Williams, not black people in general. Are you saying that any cartoon that caricatures a black celebrity, is racist?

[giddyup]

20 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

 Australian Aboriginals are not like American blacks.  American blacks were slaves and that changed the life experience of both black and white Americans. 

Who's comparing Aboriginals with African Americans? You're all over the place like a mad womens caca.

[marcusarelus]

3 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Re the cartoon, I think there is rather a cultural barrier here between Australians & Usofans.

 

Australians have a strong sense of 'a fair go' and of sportsmanship. These are major elements in Oz culture. In Oz you get a prize just for turning up. It's not the winner-takes-all culture of Usofa.

 

Australians object STRONGLY to prominent rich people who behave badly and can't bare to come second. Any Australian watching the match the other day would have been appalled by Williams' behaviour and would have nodded their agreement with the subsequent cartoon. She deserved what she got, would be their attitude. Sensitivity to the race aspect would not have been part of their consciousness and they, like me, would now feel that no apology is warranted.

That's the conclusion I came to after reading this thread.  They really don't know just how offensive it is to American Black people.

[sanemax]

6 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

I am not a Canadian and like I said the term is still used by the US government and me. 

 

But my point was that I know as much about Eskimos as Australians know about Blacks and that's not much. 

What are the things that you feel that Australians do not know about Blacks ?

You are beginning to sound rather racist , suggesting that Blacks are different to other people ,

I just see people as being people and I dont divide them up by their ethnicity or skin colour .

    I do feel uncomfortable even asking you this question , but what do you think that Australians need to be told about Black people , things that they dont know, what they need to know ?

[wgdanson]

On 9/12/2018 at 10:05 AM, Berkshire said:

The women will argue that they bring in as many fans and TV audience as the men, so the number of sets played is irrelevant.  And they could be right, I don't know.  But there is a simple solution:  do like golf and have separate men and women tournaments.  Of course, that would never happen.  Tradition and all that.  

The tennis slams ARE in effect separate competitions for men & women....they never play against each other.

[marcusarelus]

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

The cartoons from the 1920s may well have had racial connotations (I dont know) , but we are not talking about cartoons from 100 years ago , we are talking about cartoons from 2018 .

   We are talking about a cartoon from last week , not cartoons from 100 years ago

To Black people it is recent history see the Jim Crow museum of of racist memorabilia at Ferris State university.  This is still a big problem in America where Confederate Generals statues still are on State Capitol lawns.   They are still fighting the Civil war in the South.  I know you all don't realize this but it's true.  

[sanemax]

3 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

That's the conclusion I came to after reading this thread.  They really don't know just how offensive it is to American Black people.

Why would ALL American Black people get offended by a caricature of Serena Williams ?

Do all White people get offended by any Caricature of a White person ?