Does denial of a USA tourist visa have any relevance to quality of a Thai woman?

[Elkski]

Just wondering if there is any value of using a Visa denial to determine if a man should keep seeing a Thai woman.    Since we don't know why they reject people can we glean any meaning from a rejection?   I guess it may mean this woman is considered a risk to staying longer than a 6 month visa.  Does this mean the IO feels this woman is bad and wants to break the rules and live in the USA.  Or that he)she doesn't believe her ( she is a liar)?  Or believes she is to good looking? Or has any indications on her records of past illegal occupations or doings?   

Edited December 2, 2018 by Elkski

[macahoom]

 

I can't stop my head from shaking.

[Hummin]

That is kind of odd question if you ask me! When denied visa, you are always given an explanation. Ask her to see why

[Mavideol]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

That is kind of odd question if you ask me! When denied visa, you are always given an explanation. Ask her to see why

not always given...but insisting it might but only to the concerned person, not anybody else. My US citizen friend is married to a Thai man, have kids 17 and 19 years old, they want to visit her family the US, kids have visa but husband was denied, she asked why and was told ...no reason, when she kept insisting they (BkK embassy) told her he has to ask in writing and they might tell him

[Elkski]

USA is different  from other countries I have read thst issue rejection letters. There is no denial letter or reasons given for a USA denial.  She said no reason was given but???  I have never read anywhere you can request the USA embassy formally for a reason of denial letter.  

Yes this is a crazy idea.  I know many think love should rule all and just jump in blind.  And many say your stupid if you don't hire a PI before you get serious with a Thai woman.  

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, Elkski said:

USA is different  from other countries I have read thst issue rejection letters. There is no denial letter or reasons given for a USA denial.  She said no reason was given but???  I have never read anywhere you can request the USA embassy formally for a reason of denial letter.  

Yes this is a crazy idea.  I know many think love should rule all and just jump in blind.  And many say your stupid if you don't hire a PI before you get serious with a Thai woman.  

So Criteria for being with someone, they have to be approved by us emigration. Good o e ????

 

I understand why people are paranoid after meeting a lady in Thailand, and I think you all have to quit or continue renting, if that goes to your mind. 

 

Some still want to their cave where everything is safer! 

 

I prefer to risk loosing than give up life.

[sanemax]

Yes, its quite important .

Every time I meet a new girl , I take her to my Embassy to get a second opinion

[Elkski]

I'm currently developing criteria for how to pick the right woman.  I don't seek out those who rent.  But who is to say those that play the long game are not more villianous?

 

In a more practical sense if you can't bring a woman to your home country to see your life or meet your family that is a serious issue.  Yes I could commit and do the K1 or is it K2 fiance visa route but they expect you to be planning a marriage within 90 days and you only get two of these or not many so best to use this wisely.  Plus most advise against marriage and I agree.   

[Elkski]

8 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Yes, its quite important .

Every time I meet a new girl , I take her to my Embassy to get a second opinion

You may not be looking for one woman for a relationship lasting longer than your first marriage of 25+ years.   There must some basis for a rejection.  The law states they must feel she is a risk of staying to deny a Visa.  

[BestB]

1 minute ago, Elkski said:

You may not be looking for one woman for a relationship lasting longer than your first marriage of 25+ years.   There must some basis for a rejection.  The law states they must feel she is a risk of staying to deny a Visa.  

1. Not enough money of her own , no job to return to and sponsor not stable enough to suppprt her.

2. She is a hooker and no matter how well you dress her up they can see what she is.

3. Not enough evidence or documents have been provided to issue her with visa 

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, Elkski said:

I'm currently developing criteria for how to pick the right woman.  I don't seek out those who rent.  But who is to say those that play the long game are not more villianous?

 

In a more practical sense if you can't bring a woman to your home country to see your life or meet your family that is a serious issue.  Yes I could commit and do the K1 or is it K2 fiance visa route but they expect you to be planning a marriage within 90 days and you only get two of these or not many so best to use this wisely.  Plus most advise against marriage and I agree.   

Thats why you have to live and learn! You can not decide if people are good or not after some few weeks, or few months, it takes years. Emigration is not a proof for good or bad as accepted or not. Sometimes visa is lottery, and small details can change the whole game, as misunderstandings. 

 

Most people I have met in thailand, have failed their criteria they set before they met their woman. Some is very happy, some is happy, and some wish they never did this mistake. Some try again. If you are afraid of mistakes or gamble to high to fast, you will fail. Take your time, open your mind, it is not a meetmarked you shopping at!

[Elkski]

I don't see it as a meat market.  I think it's a candy store.  Lol.  

When I was young and we both had nothing and were financially equal is was different. We just had love and our college education and dreams of our future.  But now there is different cultures, different languages, different values, different financial circumstances.  

Edited December 2, 2018 by Elkski

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, Elkski said:

I don't see it as a meat market.  I think it's a candy store.  Lol.  

When I was young and we both had nothing and were financially equal is was different. We just had live and our college education and dreams of our future.  But now there is different cultures, different languages, different values, different financial circumstances.  

If it is candy you searching, you should rent not buy! My two cents

[AlexRRR]

On 12/2/2018 at 6:49 PM, Elkski said:

I'm currently developing criteria for how to pick the right woman.  I don't seek out those who rent.  But who is to say those that play the long game are not more villianous?

 

In a more practical sense if you can't bring a woman to your home country to see your life or meet your family that is a serious issue.  Yes I could commit and do the K1 or is it K2 fiance visa route but they expect you to be planning a marriage within 90 days and you only get two of these or not many so best to use this wisely.  Plus most advise against marriage and I agree.   

 

Criteria for choosing a Thai woman should be high.....very high...start with education standard, working 5 day week though thats not so critical, office related work and income above 30,000 a month that should get you rolling.... 

 

That will keep you from being the supplier of the food chain that traditional Thai women become when they get with a white guy.

 

If there denied a visa yes id be concerned and it would mean they dont meet the above criteria....a female Thai friend of mine recently came and visited me in Melbourne Australia, she feared she would not get a visa I told her she would get it easy and she did...why? salary over 100,000 a month good job obviously, supported with a letter from her company and she has a mortgage another good reason to return and go back to work....

 

Too many dudes here feel they need to support there girls they got along fine before they met him and they will get along even better when he's gone, in the end if you were sizing up a local girl in your own country.....what do you expect? so why take less here?

 

Another piece of good advice....keep your well educated and high earning TGF in her own country so you should move here and do not marry her.....you can buy a house or condo together she can take out the mortgage and you both can put in or you alone....so she needs you for at least the first so many years after that if you split it wasn't mean to be or she dont need you anymore...dont take it personally as relationships fail all the time she might seem like a gold digger at this stage which might not be true at all...relax and dont rush anything.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 12/2/2018 at 6:52 PM, Elkski said:

You may not be looking for one woman for a relationship lasting longer than your first marriage of 25+ years.   There must some basis for a rejection.  The law states they must feel she is a risk of staying to deny a Visa.  

 

To answer your original question, the answer is NO...

 

The U.S. Embassy grants or denies tourist visas to the US mainly on the basis of judging how likely the applicant is to return to Thailand, based on the extent of their various ties / connections to Thailand. Things like owning property here, having an established work record and the consent of their employer, etc etc.  They also seem to like when the applicant is actually invited (with an actual letter of invitation) by some party in the U.S. to make the visit.

 

So while there's nothing necessarily bad or wrong about any of those things, it's equally true that there could be lots of Thai women who are angels who don't necessarily meet the criteria the U.S. Embassy is looking for. Maybe they're self employed or casual workers like so many in Thailand. Maybe they don't own property or have a lot of money in the bank. Maybe they are young and physically attractive.

 

Those kinds of situations might well result in a Thai woman getting denied for a U.S. tourist visa. But they surely don't necessarily bear any kind of reflection on the personal value or quality of that person.

 

[neeray]

I can only speak from a Canadian perspective as my gf of a few years ago had her perfectly legitimate visa app denied. Their reason was "we are not satisfied that you will return to Thailand".

I see no reason to believe that US immigration is judging the morals or character of your friend.

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, AlexRRR said:

 

Criteria for choosing a Thai woman should be high.....very high...start with education standard, working 5 day week though thats not so critical, office related work and income above 30,000 a month that should get you rolling.... 

 

Most men coming to thailand is far from Hi So, so why should a bach yeard player become a front yard player, and seek up Hi So women, without any clue what expect of them? 

 

 

[HampiK]

5 hours ago, Hummin said:

Most men coming to thailand is far from Hi So, so why should a bach yeard player become a front yard player, and seek up Hi So women, without any clue what expect of them? 

Sorry, but an office worker with about 30K salary is far from Hi-So.

[HampiK]

As for the US visa. I know of a case, where a lawyer woman was denied a visa to US. She had a good job (Lawyer). This was about 10 years ago. She was working in the same law company as my wife. At that time everybody in her environment was saying it's because she is a woman. As if she was a man there wasn't a problem. And I think in some cases it is true, that a woman can be denied because the officier have a bad feeling (or maybe a bad day).

 

But I also see some woman going to the embassy with clothes so you can know right away that they will fail. I think especially for the US you need also a little bit of luck.

[AlexRRR]

7 hours ago, Hummin said:

Most men coming to thailand is far from Hi So, so why should a bach yeard player become a front yard player, and seek up Hi So women, without any clue what expect of them? 

 

 

 

Hi so women.....on 30,000 a month I dont think so....that would be your basic office staff in marketing or customer service with a Bachelor degree....The reason you have a criteria on ed standard and pay is to keep you out of village girls hands who are time poor and need there farang BF to help support them and the family, of course they got a long fine before you showed up and they will do even better after your gone, this criteria has served me well over more than ten years coming here.

[marko kok prong]

It is an unfortunate fact but Thai women are regarded in many Western countries as whore's and cheats,and high risks for non return, unwarranted it may or may not be ,but perceptions can be hard to shift.

[GinBoy2]

On 12/26/2018 at 5:47 PM, HampiK said:

As for the US visa. I know of a case, where a lawyer woman was denied a visa to US. She had a good job (Lawyer). This was about 10 years ago. She was working in the same law company as my wife. At that time everybody in her environment was saying it's because she is a woman. As if she was a man there wasn't a problem. And I think in some cases it is true, that a woman can be denied because the officier have a bad feeling (or maybe a bad day).

 

But I also see some woman going to the embassy with clothes so you can know right away that they will fail. I think especially for the US you need also a little bit of luck.

I have no idea how a US tourist visa works.

 

My wife had lived in the US from her early teens, all the way through college in her early 20's, until she returned to various Asian countries, before after meeting me in Singapore we returned to Thailand.

 

Now, this a professional woman, good job, speaks perfect English with an American accent, yet denied a tourist visa twice, when all we wanted to do was visit my daughters for a vacation.

 

Ultimately we ended up with her emigrating to the US with a greencard, which was easy, and indeed ends up working for the Feds, in the Dept of Defense! So no great risk to the State, you would think

 

So I can only speculate why she was denied a tourist visa.

My best guess would be, that since she had spent so long in the US as a kid, the consular officer decided that she would be a flight risk, since she could blend very easily into US society.

 

But that's a guess, and since unlike many European countries, no explanation is given for a rejection, it is just that, my best guess. 

 

Water under the bridge for us...Thankfully