Unoffical Spurs Thread

[balo]

I'm tired of this, I'll give Jose out the season, but right now we can't expect to win any important game.
Chelsea on Thursday,  they are the favorites now.    

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On 1/30/2021 at 3:15 AM, wilai said:

According to Jose, it is Bale's preference to play wide right; Dunno why he is so ineffective.The likes of Salah show how useful a left footer playing that role can be.

Yeah well this ain't about salah its about bale . Bale has said he's 'comfortable' playing anywhere ax the front... but the fact is he played himself out of Madrid by not playing well there. And he's about to do the same thing at  tottenham.. <deleted> is wrong with football .. he's a left footed winger.. they ain't common so use it

....watch him next time he receives the ball on the RHS.. he checks in and redirects himself so he can bring his left foot into being the dominant one... By that time ANY defender worth his salt is all over the situ... something's are v simple in football one of them is left footed wingers are better on the lhs . It ain't rocket science.

[wilai]

3 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

3 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

one of them is left footed wingers are better on the lhs . It ain't rocket science.

 

The likes of Salah, Robben et al disprove that theory. Inverted wingers can be very dangerous The simple fact is that Bale appears 'past his sell by date' and would be equally ineffective which ever wing he plays on. A few years ago he would cut in on his left foot and score some crackers. He just doesn't seem to have that pace/confidence anymore. Looks like a poor buy to be honest.

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2 hours ago, wilai said:

The likes of Salah, Robben et al disprove that theory. Inverted wingers can be very dangerous The simple fact is that Bale appears 'past his sell by date' and would be equally ineffective which ever wing he plays on. A few years ago he would cut in on his left foot and score some crackers. He just doesn't seem to have that pace/confidence anymore. Looks like a poor buy to be honest.

Theories are just that...theories.. but as a rule of thumb you know it and you can argue the toss for it as much as you like .. but right footers play most effectively  on the right and left footers play most effectively on the left.  You may come up with exceptions but they are exceptions.   ... But NOT for all... I watched him quote a bit for real... And playing him  on the RHS didn't work WELL. He was good enuf to start with, held his own and had a few moments but slowly and surely his performances dropped away.. not aided by injury ...until he was frozen out of the picture... YESTERDAY.   I saw very very brief glimpses of the old bale ,, BUT it was ONLY when he swapped sides with bergy ..and played down the left.. and your right in that it is defo confidence thing... And playing HIM down the right isn't building it.

[RickG16]

1 minute ago, 3 minus 2 said:

 but right footers play most effectively  on the right and left footers play most effectively on the left. 

 

Sorry but that's just not true in the era of 4-2-3-1 . Many teams rely on those wide players in the 3 to cut in and support the 1 up front, with the full backs providing width. 

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3 minutes ago, RickG16 said:

 

Sorry but that's just not true in the era of 4-2-3-1 . Many teams rely on those wide players in the 3 to cut in and support the 1 up front, with the full backs providing width. 

You can tinker with formations.. and juxtaposin players will give you options  if a manager is are lucky enuf or clever enuf to have players that can adapt then, yeah it can work but the BASICS of football won't change,  a right footer will play more comfortably down right hand side and a left footed player will play more comfortably  down the left..and in BOTH cases that 'comfort/confidence.  will transfer into their performances.    I wouldnt disagree that reliance on one foot needs to change but that's another issue...

[smokie36]

Play footsie all you like...that was a disgraceful performance from tactics to individual contributions and an utter lack of leadership.

Its time for the end of Lloris at Spurs.

[Bredbury Blue]

If the are fast - like Sane and Sterling - they can beat a man and it's unlikely the defender will catch them up, play them on their natural side.

 

If the are slow - like Bernardo and Mahrez - they can beat a man but it's unlikely they will outrun the defender, play them on their inverted side. 

 

[deej]

14 minutes ago, RonniePickering22 said:

 

Its time for the end of Lloris at Spurs.

Csea,s  Kepa,????  is availble

[owl sees all]

1 hour ago, RickG16 said:

 

Sorry but that's just not true in the era of 4-2-3-1 . Many teams rely on those wide players in the 3 to cut in and support the 1 up front, with the full backs providing width. 

Go back to the 50s and 60s where most teams had two outer players. In fact there were named wingers; center forwards and inside players. The wingers would get as close to the dead-ball line to get in their cross in for the center forward to get his head on. Headed goals were something like 30% of all goals*.

 

The Spurs double winning team had three wingers in the first team squad; Terry Medwin, Terry Dyson and Cliff Jones. I do believe that Liverpool - masterminded by Paisley - changed the face of the formations, with their 2-4-4 team of the mid 60s. The two systems ran together for many years until Don Revie convinced England that playing a different formation to 2-3-5 was the way forward. Emphasis being put onto not conceding; hence 4-2-4.

 

The essence of the  4-2-4, 2-4-4 and indeed the 4-4-2 , was that the outer players would move forward under attack mode, and step back to defend when being under attack. Liverpool and their dominance played a fluid 4-4-2 into 4-2-4 for a 20 year spell.

 

3-3-4 and the christmas tree formation had its fans, and Pep - now at City - promoted the midfielders and forwards constantly interchanging; as the situation dictated. Spanish football was the pioneer of this, and it's still effectively used. 

 

There is also 'straight line' theory and small compartment theory (Pep's).

 

When Bale was first drafted into the Spurs team, he was a left back who had the occasional bust forward. Under Harry he gradually developed into a left sided player who was encouraged to 'cut-in'.

 

* A game between Villa and Man Utd finished 4-4 in latter 50s. All 8 goals were headers.

[RickG16]

21 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Go back to the 50s and 60s where most teams had two outer players. In fact there were named wingers; center forwards and inside players. The wingers would get as close to the dead-ball line to get in their cross in for the center forward to get his head on. Headed goals were something like 30% of all goals*.

 

The Spurs double winning team had three wingers in the first team squad; Terry Medwin, Terry Dyson and Cliff Jones. I do believe that Liverpool - masterminded by Paisley - changed the face of the formations, with their 2-4-4 team of the mid 60s. The two systems ran together for many years until Don Revie convinced England that playing a different formation to 2-3-5 was the way forward. Emphasis being put onto not conceding; hence 4-2-4.

 

The essence of the  4-2-4, 2-4-4 and indeed the 4-4-2 , was that the outer players would move forward under attack mode, and step back to defend when being under attack. Liverpool and their dominance played a fluid 4-4-2 into 4-2-4 for a 20 year spell.

 

3-3-4 and the christmas tree formation had its fans, and Pep - now at City - promoted the midfielders and forwards constantly interchanging; as the situation dictated. Spanish football was the pioneer of this, and it's still effectively used. 

 

There is also 'straight line' theory and small compartment theory (Pep's).

 

When Bale was first drafted into the Spurs team, he was a left back who had the occasional bust forward. Under Harry he gradually developed into a left sided player who was encouraged to 'cut-in'.

 

* A game between Villa and Man Utd finished 4-4 in latter 50s. All 8 goals were headers.

Great post.

[champers]

26 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Go back to the 50s and 60s where most teams had two outer players. In fact there were named wingers; center forwards and inside players. The wingers would get as close to the dead-ball line to get in their cross in for the center forward to get his head on. Headed goals were something like 30% of all goals*.

 

The Spurs double winning team had three wingers in the first team squad; Terry Medwin, Terry Dyson and Cliff Jones. I do believe that Liverpool - masterminded by Paisley - changed the face of the formations, with their 2-4-4 team of the mid 60s. The two systems ran together for many years until Don Revie convinced England that playing a different formation to 2-3-5 was the way forward. Emphasis being put onto not conceding; hence 4-2-4.

 

The essence of the  4-2-4, 2-4-4 and indeed the 4-4-2 , was that the outer players would move forward under attack mode, and step back to defend when being under attack. Liverpool and their dominance played a fluid 4-4-2 into 4-2-4 for a 20 year spell.

 

3-3-4 and the christmas tree formation had its fans, and Pep - now at City - promoted the midfielders and forwards constantly interchanging; as the situation dictated. Spanish football was the pioneer of this, and it's still effectively used. 

 

There is also 'straight line' theory and small compartment theory (Pep's).

 

When Bale was first drafted into the Spurs team, he was a left back who had the occasional bust forward. Under Harry he gradually developed into a left sided player who was encouraged to 'cut-in'.

 

* A game between Villa and Man Utd finished 4-4 in latter 50s. All 8 goals were headers.

Bring back leather casies with the laces in.

[owl sees all]

26 minutes ago, champers said:

Bring back leather casies with the laces in.

Interesting sentence!

 

How would the Spurs double winning team fare in a normal EPL season? Would they be smashed out of sight by teams playing modern formations, or would they themselves create havoc?

 

Would the modern manager be aghast at having to defend two players hugging the side lines? Or would the two wide players simply be rendered redundant?

 

I can recall Cliff Jones getting into the penalty area regularly, but not Terries Dyson and Medwin. Bobby Smith never tracked back AFSICRecall. Pep would have had nightmares with him. How to fit him in into a very modern system. Would probably sell him off to Brom.

[Kadilo]

It doesn’t matter what side Bale plays on, he looks uninterested and carrying on from where he left off at Real. 

 

His body language and visible  lack of desire looks like someone who is just filling his bank balance pre retirement. 

He was virtually already walking off when he got subbed as if he was glad it was over. 

[owl sees all]

3 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

It doesn’t matter what side Bale plays on, he looks uninterested and carrying on from where he left off at Real. 

 

His body language and visible  lack of desire looks like someone who is just filling his bank balance pre retirement. 

He was virtually already walking off when he got subbed as if he was glad it was over. 

I think he is frustrated knowing that his best days are gone.

 

In saying that; maybe a decent nutritionalist could help him.

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4 hours ago, owl sees all said:

I think he is frustrated knowing that his best days are gone.

 

In saying that; maybe a decent nutritionalist could help him.

At 31.. there's 

no need to think his best days are over.. ... But  granted realising you probably ain't gonna win the champions lge with an overhead kic again must be a touch hard...

    But I saw v v brief flash's of his 'old self' when a couple of times he picked the ball up on the left hand side...it was like a lightness of step and a freeness in his play.  It was there FOR Sure... Something I've not seen down the RHS.. as Bradbury says he sort of looks at what's infront of him and sort of looks disinterested..

[smokie36]

Excellent transfer window that.

 

I'll say that of any where we don't sell Harry Kane from now going forward.

[Kadilo]

1 hour ago, RonniePickering22 said:

Excellent transfer window that.

 

I'll say that of any where we don't sell Harry Kane from now going forward.

Be a good experience for Parrott to get some more game time. 

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The  chavs next up on Thursday. We'll need to SERIOUSLY up our game if we want to take anything from this one..

[smokie36]

4 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

The  chavs next up on Thursday. We'll need to SERIOUSLY up our game if we want to take anything from this one..

 

I'm not expecting that to happen...best bet is 0-0

[balo]

A win would be nice, 3 points would give us a chance for top 4. 

Now it's time for Jose to show he is 'the special one', or consider early retirement. 

[smokie36]

A day of reckoning this for Mourinho...he can't capitulate to those chavs or it will be curtains.

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4 hours ago, RonniePickering22 said:

A day of reckoning this for Mourinho...he can't capitulate to those chavs or it will be curtains.

Cant see that were still in a couple of cups and not so far off the pace for a chàmps lge spot

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9 hours ago, balo said:

A win would be nice, 3 points would give us a chance for top 4. 

Now it's time for Jose to show he is 'the special one', or consider early retirement. 

So just to clarify what your saying is,  win ....and he'll be a hero.. lose and you want him gone ...

[Kadilo]

2 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

Cant see that were still in a couple of cups and not so far off the pace for a chàmps lge spot

You were gonna win the PL a few weeks ago and he was a winner. 

[RickG16]

3 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

You were gonna win the PL a few weeks ago and he was a winner. 

Ah a few weeks ago... is that when Lingard was a donkey who was going to get Moyes the sack?

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20 minutes ago, RickG16 said:

Ah a few weeks ago... is that when Lingard was a donkey who was going to get Moyes the sack?

Ah. Come on.  .... Moyes single handedly demolished your title squad and arguably has been a walk-in disaster since leaving Everton.... Don't think even the most    optimistic fan of his saw how well he'd do at West ham ..

 as for lingard...he has to leave utd.. last night he looked the part playing off / just behind the striker..  can u honestly see him gettin the same opp at utd... I can't...

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31 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

You were gonna win the PL a few weeks ago and he was a winner. 

Really... You've been reading to many comic strips... And Joses record shows he is a winner... Wether he can win something with us... Is yet to be seen

[balo]

8 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

So just to clarify what your saying is,  win ....and he'll be a hero.. lose and you want him gone ...

 

Never liked the guy, but sure lets give him out the season.

Vinicius not looking good so far , 30 mins in and we look completely lost, no plan, nothing.   

 

[jellydog]

8th in the table now and another toothless showing. 4th, and CL qualification looking iffy. Levy certainly didn't hire Mourinho to finish outside the top 4. How much time before Levy pulls the trigger? I imagine he'll wait and see if Kane's return makes a difference. If not...bye bye Special One.