480 GB SSD minimum? Yes, it's now time!

[killerbeez]

The latest Windows 10 update (1903 out in May 2019) will need almost double the storage space than the October 2018 Update (1809).
 

Devices running the 32-bit version see the minimum requirement jump from 16GB to 32GB and those running the 64-bit version need a minimum of 32 GB.
The previous minimum was 20 GB.
Apparently, this will make future upgrades and updates safer to install and easier to remove when (if?) they don't work.
 

This is going to add pressure on older devices like netbooks, etc.
But even newer PCs should be looked at with some forethought...
 

Just as 60GB SSDs are now obsolete, in a year or so 120 GB SSDs will also be hard to find and (for Windows users, at least) almost a waste of time. Even 240 GB SSDs fill up quickly. My 240GB SSD is already half full (3 months old - no games, etc) and the way these drives 'share' their surface to prevent wear and tear, well, we really should be looking at the 480 GB/500 GB drives as a realistic minimum if you want your drive (and device) to last and be effective for more than a couple of years.
 

The drives are now cheap enough, so my future builds will all have drives of at least 480 GBs... hopefully, that will be enough for a 'foreseeable' future.
 

Now, who is going to be the first arse to tell us all how awesome Linux is?

[KhunBENQ]

My PC runs fine with a classic 1 TB hard drive.

As an early retiree I have enough time to wait some extra 30 sec for the startup

[shady86]

You must be installing lots of apps or games. For me 250gb is still enough and i have 250gb nvme/ 500gb sata ssd combo for my game machine.

 

250gb is the sweet spot in terms of price/GB now. For those still using mechanical, SSD is the biggest upgrade you can do even yours is a 5 yr old pc. My first Ssd was 60gb and it costs more than a 500gb ssd now when i first got it 5 years ago!

 

 

[muratremix]

240gb ssds can be bought for 1000 baht. 480gb ones are 2000-2200 baht nowadays!

[killerbeez]

1 hour ago, shady86 said:

You must be installing lots of apps or games.

Not many apps and NO games at all.

The total taken up by programs is 6GBs.

[killerbeez]

23 minutes ago, muratremix said:

480gb ones are 2000-2200 baht nowadays

You're not looking hard enough!  ????

Pioneer brand 480 GB drive today...

[shady86]

Not many apps and NO games at all.
The total taken up by programs is 6GBs.

Try to do win cleanup. Maybe old windows 10 build remaining in your c drive!

[killerbeez]

2 minutes ago, shady86 said:

Try to do win cleanup. Maybe old windows 10 build remaining in your c drive!

Done all that.

[batata]

4 minutes ago, killerbeez said:

Done all that.

Was having exactly the same problem 3 weeks ago, windows 10 with 1T WD HD slow as a snail, hang up after hung up, did a back up, went to Lazada/Legend and got a SSD Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB, used Samsung data migration software all done in around 1 hour and my only regret is not having it done long time ago, PC running twice as fast, no more hang up, great investment

[Pattaya46]

21 minutes ago, killerbeez said:

1 hour ago, shady86 said:

You must be installing lots of apps or games.

Not many apps and NO games at all.

The total taken up by [116] programs is 6GBs.

That's many! My computer shows 12 programs installed, 616 MB.

 

Also I have only 1 disk (card Samsung SSD 970 EVO 250 GB) split in 2 partitions :

C : 64 GB, 29 GB free

D : 168 GB, 125 GB free

+ 1 external 120 GB SSD for backups

 

So I don't use even half of my disk. I certainly don't need a 480 GB disk 

[batata]

4 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

That's many! My computer shows 12 programs installed, 616 MB.

 

Also I have only 1 disk (card Samsung SSD 970 EVO 250 GB) split in 2 partitions :

C : 64 GB, 29 GB free

D : 168 GB, 125 GB free

+ 1 external 120 GB SSD for backups

 

So I don't use even half of my disk. I certainly don't need a 480 GB disk 

you are already have SSD's thus the best performance

[shady86]

The thread is about disk capacity, not performance 

 

but BTW yes, these cards M.2 PCIe are a killer in performance.

About 3 times faster that the normal SATA SSD disks in everyday usage. [emoji106]

Not really unless you are talking about large file transfers. In real world usage which involves random reads and writes, maybe its 10 to 20% faster the most. You can check from reviews. Compared to mechanical drives, yes it ls more than 3x.

 

[Pattaya46]

21 minutes ago, shady86 said:

Not really unless you are talking about large file transfers. In real world usage which involves random reads and writes, maybe its 10 to 20% faster the most. 

Disagree. By example the Win10 boot is now 8 seconds against 28 with my previous SSD drive.

 

Edit: wrong pic in previous post. Here is the correct one:

Edited May 1, 2019 by Pattaya46

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

My PC runs fine with a classic 1 TB hard drive.

As an early retiree I have enough time to wait some extra 30 sec for the startup

My PC took 3 minutes to boot win7 with a normal HD.

Down to 20 seconds now I have SSD.

 

Everything else sits on 2x 3TB drives on my NAS.

Edited May 1, 2019 by BritManToo

[Nongplalai]

33 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

The thread is about disk capacity, not performance 

 

but BTW yes, these cards M.2 PCIe are a killer in performance.

About 3 times faster that the normal SATA SSD disks in everyday usage. 

 

That WDC disk is a very strange looking SSD in my view.

[Pattaya46]

1 minute ago, Nongplalai said:

That WDC disk is a very strange looking SSD in my view.

Posted the wrong pic. Cannot delete it now. Too late...

The correct pic is on post #14

[MJCM]

I am running a 256(232) Gb Samsung 970 EVO Nvme SSD and I have 195 Gb free of the 232 Gb

 

And yes I have shitloads of apps, but I also have a 2 TB WD Black (installed as D:\) on which I install most of the APPs (when possible) and my Documents (which include MUSIC, Pictures Docs, Downloads) are all redirected to my D:\ (which is the 2 TB WD Black)

 

 

 

Edited May 1, 2019 by MJCM

[shady86]

Disagree. By example the Win10 boot is now 8 seconds against 28 with my previous SSD drive.
 
Edit: wrong pic in previous post. Here is the correct one:

You can try to do a fresh install of windows 10 in same spec pc to make fair comparison. 26 secs on a same pc sounds like bloated windows or failing drive.

https://www.techspot.com/news/67222-storage-real-world-performance-nvme-vs-sata-vs-hdd.html

You can look for many more comparison by experts online or learn more about how ssd works.

The figures you posted are just sequential max speed which doesnt translate to real world experience.

[n210mp]

I have 120Gb SSD for Win 10 OS and  3TB for storage but I do accept the  context of the OP fully and also  thanks for the heads up on that cheapo SSD

[WorriedNoodle]

16 hours ago, MJCM said:

running a 256(232) Gb Samsung 970 EVO Nvme SSD and I have 195 Gb free of the 232 Gb

 

And yes I have shitloads of apps, but I also have a 2 TB WD Black (installed as D:\) on which I install most of the APPs (when possible) 

OK, I'm new to NMVes and I don't understand this? Why would you have such a high speed SSD and install the 'shitload' of apps on the much slower WD Black? Surely the Black should be for data only or am I mistaken?

[MJCM]

39 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

OK, I'm new to NMVes and I don't understand this? Why would you have such a high speed SSD and install the 'shitload' of apps on the much slower WD Black? Surely the Black should be for data only or am I mistaken?

 

My Choice to do that, but most of the APPS are portable apps anyway so I choose to do put them on D:\. Speed wise, the Apps I use most are on C:\ but just the rest is (when possible) installed to D:\ (WD Black).

 

Also I try to limit the write actions to the SSD. (User Directory not on C:\, Temp Files Not on C:\ etc etc etc)

 

Edit: I just checked the sizes

 

c:\Program Files (x86)\ = 3,1 Gb

c:\Program Files\ = 2,5 Gb

D:\Appsnt (portable installs) = 5,7 Gb

 

So it evens out ????

 

Edit2 :

 

I did the same thing on my OLD pc which had an SSHD (Solid State Hybrid Drive)

 

Edited May 2, 2019 by MJCM

[oldcarguy]

Where do you find portable apps ?

My netbooks is pretty old and not much internal memory ,so having portable apps might help

Thanks


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[MJCM]

1. From the maker of the app (if they make one)
2. during the installation select Portable install (if available / if they implemented that)
3. or https://portableapps.com/

 

Edit: Just read your Post again, what do you mean you don't have much internal memory ?? Do you mean RAM or Storage. If it is RAM then Portable Apps will not be much help as I think they use approx the same RAM. If you mean Storage, then the same only solution in that case is to store them on another drive with enough storage (external USB Drive??)

Edited May 2, 2019 by MJCM

[killerbeez]

20 hours ago, batata said:

thus the best performance

Second best.

[KneeDeep]

2 hours ago, oldcarguy said:

Where do you find portable apps ?

My netbooks is pretty old and not much internal memory ,so having portable apps might help

Thanks


Sent from my Nexus 6 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

 

Which brand name and model number?

[muratremix]

I have 512gb nvme pcie ssd + 240gb sata3 ssd.

my nvme ssd is almost full, so I installed Forza 7 game to 240gb sata3 ssd. Just one game occupies 125Gb of space! I have a few games installed and new games use too much diskspace.

 

So yes, 480-500 gb ssd should be mainstream now.

[shady86]

I have 512gb nvme pcie ssd + 240gb sata3 ssd.
my nvme ssd is almost full, so I installed Forza 7 game to 240gb sata3 ssd. Just one game occupies 125Gb of space! I have a few games installed and new games use too much diskspace.
 
So yes, 480-500 gb ssd should be mainstream now.

Try to keep at least 10% free space for ssd so they can run at optimum speed!

[killerbeez]

9 minutes ago, shady86 said:

Try to keep at least 10% free space for ssd so they can run at optimum speed!

Try to keep at least 50% free space so they won't wear out so quickly and will last years longer.

If your OS is on an SSD with 10% free space on it, it has a high likely hood of failure within a few months.

Edited May 3, 2019 by killerbeez

[shady86]

Try to keep at least 50% free space so they won't wear out so quickly and will last years longer.
If your OS is on an SSD with 10% free space on it, it has a high likely hood of failure within a few months.

I havent had a ssd failure from my collection of more than 20 ssds. The oldest one was 50GB running on legendary Sandforce chipset. Still going strong running 24/7 in my server and more than 80% full.

[OneMoreFarang]

I have a 10 year old Lenovo ThinkPad which I updated a couple of years ago to a 60GB SDD - which I didn't need anymore in another PC. The ThinkPad is still up to date with the newest Windows 10.

 

I use it only seldom i.e. with Arduinos outside and I still have a couple of GB free disk space.

 

Yes, more storage space is nice but for some people and usages not necessary.