56 minutes ago, Mike Teavee said:

To be clear the majority of the electorate in the UK did not vote to leave the EU, approx 37% did,  so by leaving you'd be respecting the majority of the people who voted in the referendum BUT you would not be respecting the approx 63% of the electorate who did not vote to leave.

 

 

 

Anybody that spins numbers to try and make their point is just wasting time, just remember that the people that voted are the only ones that matter.

Not Armageddon or chaos. Our GBPeso is worth next to nothing, families are falling out with each other over the issue, society in general is angry with one another...
Where do we go from here and how do we repair the damage?

No deal is way to go..then slowly the " healing process" will commence.
Sometimes a good old blow out is needed to sort out things that have been simmering beneath the surface for a long time.

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Just now, malagateddy said:

No deal is way to go..then slowly the " healing process" will commence.

Again: How?

Again: How?

How..just as life goes on for people after the death of a near and dear one..so life will go on as people hopefully will think positively and begin a new chapter of their life.
Enough of the project fear mk 2 please.

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1 hour ago, vogie said:

Anybody that spins numbers to try and make their point is just wasting time, just remember that the people that voted are the only ones that matter.

No spin, I'm simply stating a fact that it was a minority of the British electorate (37%) that voted leave, this minority was greater than the minority that voted remain but it is still a minority whether you like it or not.

 

Edit "just remember that the people that voted are the only ones that matter" - Do you really believe this or are just saying it because it fits your narrative? 

 

24 minutes ago, Mike Teavee said:

No spin, I'm simply stating a fact that it was a minority of the British electorate (37%) that voted leave, this minority was greater than the minority that voted remain but it is still a minority whether you like it or not.

 

Edit "just remember that the people that voted are the only ones that matter" - Do you really believe this or are just saying it because it fits your narrative? 

 

Come back to me if you disagree that more people voted to leave than remain.

37 minutes ago, vogie said:

Come back to me if you disagree that more people voted to leave than remain.

I never said or attempted to hint that wasn't the case, I merely stated a fact that the number of people who voted leave would not be a majority of the British electorate

 

Come back to me if I'm wrong

 

Just now, Mike Teavee said:

I never said or attempted to hint that wasn't the case, I merely stated a fact that the number of people who voted leave would not be a majority of the British electorate

 

Come back to me if I'm wrong

 

Twisting figures is something that remainers are very good at, but at the end of the day it is deceitful. Understanding how our voting system works would realy help you in this instance, it is not about people who couldn't be bothered to vote, and children and babies illegable to vote, but the electorate who actually turned up at the polling booth and cast their votes. Just the same with General Elections, the people that don't vote will never ever be counted. 

4 hours ago, Mike Teavee said:

To be clear the majority of the electorate in the UK did not vote to leave the EU, approx 37% did,  so by leaving you'd be respecting the majority of the people who voted in the referendum BUT you would not be respecting the approx 63% of the electorate who did not vote to leave.

 

 

 

But how many of that 63% couldn't be bothered to get off the collective arrrrrzzzzzzzzzzs and go to vote?

 

If they had done so they would have room to complain.

1 hour ago, Mike Teavee said:

No spin, I'm simply stating a fact that it was a minority of the British electorate (37%) that voted leave, this minority was greater than the minority that voted remain but it is still a minority whether you like it or not.

 

Edit "just remember that the people that voted are the only ones that matter" - Do you really believe this or are just saying it because it fits your narrative? 

 

If the ones who couldn't be bothered to vote had actually done something the results may well have been different. Not voting is a cop out and the non voters should be excluded from your figures.

 

30 minutes ago, Mike Teavee said:

I never said or attempted to hint that wasn't the case, I merely stated a fact that the number of people who voted leave would not be a majority of the British electorate

 

Come back to me if I'm wrong

 

The turnout for the referendum was higher than that of the last few elections and the winning party certainly didn't get as many votes as all the other parties put together. Should the general election be scrapped because the winning party didn't get over 51% of the total votes cast?

 

35 minutes ago, vogie said:

Twisting figures is something that remainers are very good at, but at the end of the day it is deceitful. Understanding how our voting system works would realy help you in this instance, it is not about people who couldn't be bothered to vote, and children and babies illegable to vote, but the electorate who actually turned up at the polling booth and cast their votes. Just the same with General Elections, the people that don't vote will never ever be counted. 

Again, I'm just pointing out the fact that people who say the majority of the British electorate (by definition people who are entitled/eligible to vote so obviously does not include children/babies) to Leave are wrong... 37% of the British electorate voted to leave. In what way is that deceitful? 

 

I'm not claiming this changes anything or suggesting that Leave somehow "Lost" the vote, just pointing out the fact that if we do leave the EU, it will be because of 37% of the British electorate & not 52%.

 

 

1 minute ago, Mike Teavee said:

 

Again, I'm just pointing out the fact that people who say the majority of the British electorate (by definition people who are entitled/eligible to vote so obviously does not include children/babies) to Leave are wrong... 37% of the British electorate voted to leave. In what way is that deceitful? 

 

I'm not claiming this changes anything or suggesting that Leave somehow "Lost" the vote, just pointing out the fact that if we do leave the EU, it will be because of 37% of the British electorate & not 52%.

 

 

Try telling them it was 28% of the population that voted leave.

18 minutes ago, billd766 said:

If the ones who couldn't be bothered to vote had actually done something the results may well have been different. Not voting is a cop out and the non voters should be excluded from your figures.

 

The turnout for the referendum was higher than that of the last few elections and the winning party certainly didn't get as many votes as all the other parties put together. Should the general election be scrapped because the winning party didn't get over 51% of the total votes cast?

Again, I'm not arguing anything differently, just pointing out a fact that it was 37% of the British electorate who voted to leave the EU... 

 

Read that however you like, but in my book people claiming that the majority of the British electorate want to leave the EU are the ones who are being deceitful.

 

17 minutes ago, Mike Teavee said:

Again, I'm not arguing anything differently, just pointing out a fact that it was 37% of the British electorate who voted to leave the EU... 

 

37% is a winner because 30% of the population can't be bothered to vote on any subject.

In a democracy, you can only count those who actually vote, the rest will happily go along.

In the 2017 GE, only 33% of voters voted Conservative, and that won them the election.

(33% of the electorate didn't vote at all)

So the Conservative government was formed by only around 20% of the electorate.

 

There are 46M voters in the UK (but only 30m ever vote), 17.4M voting to leave was an overwhelming majority.

 

This is considered normal in the UK, a government formed by the wishes of 20% of the electorate.

I'd be great if every ballot had a 'no suitable candidate' or 'don't care' box.

10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

37% is a winner because 50% of the population can't be bothered to vote on any subject.

In a democracy, you can only count those who actually vote, the rest will happily go along.

 

I'd be great if every ballot had a 'no suitable candidate' or 'don't care' box.

Again, I'm not saying 37% isn't a winner... I'm just saying that anybody who says that the majority of the British electorate support leaving the EU are wrong...

 

Maybe 28% are ambivalent about it or maybe they simply didn't believe Leave would win so couldn't be bothered to get off their backsides but that doesn't mean they should be apportioned evenly to the 2 sides to say that there is a majority of the British electorate for leaving the EU. 

 

I agree with that last point, every ballot should have a NOTA (None of the Above) box, especially the one for the next Tory leader, problem is we'd end up with 90+% NOTA ???? 

 

 

29 minutes ago, adammike said:

Try telling them it was 28% of the population that voted leave.

How ever you care to spin it over 72% of the population turned out to vote which equates to over 46,500,000 of the population, pretty convincing by anybodys standard.

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

How ever you care to spin it over 72% of the population turned out to vote which equates to over 46,500,000 of voters, pretty convincing by anybodys standard.

Actually the vote total was about 33,570,000. Next you'll be telling us that 60+ percent of Labour voters went for Brexit.

14 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Actually the vote total was about 33,570,000. Next you'll be telling us that 60+ percent of Labour voters went for Brexit.

Yes, Vogie has confused the words, voters, electorate, and population.

So what?

Did it affect your losing the vote?

You lost the referendum, you lost the EU vote, and you'll lose any other referendum or vote.

Anyway you count the votes you'll still lose, the socialist experiment under Germany labelled as the EU is finished.

 

10M Conservative votes formed the current UK government.

17.4M Brexit votes will form the next UK government (and all the MPs want those votes).

Again, I'm not arguing anything differently, just pointing out a fact that it was 37% of the British electorate who voted to leave the EU... 
 
Read that however you like, but in my book people claiming that the majority of the British electorate want to leave the EU are the ones who are being deceitful.
 

Ok then..out of the people who COULD BE BOTHERED TO VOTE AND DID SO..the LEAVE vote won the day.

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3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

 

... and you'll lose any other referendum or vote.

Anyway you count the votes you'll still lose, the socialist experiment under Germany labelled as the EU is finished.

10 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Actually the vote total was about 33,570,000. Next you'll be telling us that 60+ percent of Labour voters went for Brexit.

Why would anyone tell anybody anything, that already knows everything to begin with.????

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Why would anyone tell anybody anything, that already knows everything to begin with.????

You're confused. I know enough to know what I don't know. Unlike you, I know enough not to make things up.

14 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

You lost the referendum, you lost the EU vote, and you'll lose any other referendum or vote.

You shouldn’t be so concerned about what others lose. You should start winning something. 

 

Just now, bristolboy said:

You're confused. I know enough to know what I don't know. Unlike you, I know enough not to make things up.

Sticks and stones..........................

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Sticks and stones..........................

Says the party who wrote this:

"Why would anyone tell anybody anything, that already knows everything to begin with."

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

Says the party who wrote this:

"Why would anyone tell anybody anything, that already knows everything to begin with."

You are selling yourself short, trust me, you do know everything, I have read your posts.

My last post to you, your superiority is wasted on me.????

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

You are selling yourself short, trust me, you do know everything, I have read your posts.

My last post to you, your superiority is wasted on me.????

2 hours ago, Mike Teavee said:

 

Again, I'm just pointing out the fact that people who say the majority of the British electorate (by definition people who are entitled/eligible to vote so obviously does not include children/babies) to Leave are wrong... 37% of the British electorate voted to leave. In what way is that deceitful? 

 

I'm not claiming this changes anything or suggesting that Leave somehow "Lost" the vote, just pointing out the fact that if we do leave the EU, it will be because of 37% of the British electorate & not 52%.

 

 

You have made your silly point over and over again , no need to engage in a silly argument

15 hours ago, baboon said:

How?

The simple way for all you Remainers to put things right is this:

1) Accept you lost the referendum. Add a bit of grace and dignity to your apologies for causing the current mess.

2) Stop your Remoaning, dirty tricks, propaganda and delay tactics.

3) Bend over and brace yourselves for Brexit bliss.

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

The simple way for all you Remainers to put things right is this:

1) Accept you lost the referendum. Add a bit of grace and dignity to your apologies for causing the current mess.

2) Stop your Remoaning, dirty tricks, propaganda and delay tactics.

3) Bend over and brace yourselves for Brexit bliss.

 

 

You make it sound sooooo good I almost wish I was a Remainer...????