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[Formaleins]

Nothing wrong with Honda! The abuse these things get here amazes me that they still run. Quality is not the same as the old Jap versions, but that was years and years ago on mopeds. Change the oil they will last longer than you. They are still probably the best value and most reliable, not to mention the most easily repaired bikes around here, you cannot go wrong with one of their current models.

[stament]

6 minutes ago, Formaleins said:

Nothing wrong with Honda! The abuse these things get here amazes me that they still run. Quality is not the same as the old Jap versions, but that was years and years ago on mopeds. Change the oil they will last longer than you. They are still probably the best value and most reliable, not to mention the most easily repaired bikes around here, you cannot go wrong with one of their current models.

When were the Jap versions last produced for export to TH out if interest?

[johng]

How does it compare to the Wave and Dream, presumably all very similar

Dream is a bit expensive for what you get Wave is fine...Yamaha in the photo 30,000 baht old stock but new.

 

4 speed auto clutch air cooled "bullet proof engine"

[Kwasaki]

8 hours ago, stament said:

I keep reading how the quality of Honda's have gone down over the last few years.

Me things you missed the part about about other makers catching up, there Honda haters IMO though.

A Honda wave can't really be beat, copied yes and has been for years.

History for ya.

Go way back to 1958 Honda's Super Cub series 50cc 4-stroke engine and they are still about.

The features that made them different from the rest of the pack at that time was the low-floor backbone frame, an automatic clutch system.

All the Cub series bikes include a 49cc-125cc 4-stroke engine. 

In the 1980s the 100cc Honda Dream was the first offshoot to be introduced into Thailand.

Later, in the late 1990s, the Honda Wave started production not sure when assembly of waves started in Thailand though.

[eisfeld]

51 minutes ago, stament said:

When were the Jap versions last produced for export to TH out if interest?

That depends on the model. They still import certain (big) bikes from Japan. My Africa Twin is a Japan import for example.

[thaiguzzi]

2 hours ago, eisfeld said:

Why would you do that? Change oil according to the maintenance schedule in the owners manual which will be way more than 2k km. Probably 4k or 8k km. For a Wave 110i it's 4000 km.

Er, 0.7 litres of Honda oil is 80 Baht.

That's right, the air cooled motor, clutch AND gearbox are lubed by 0.7 litres of oil.

Why NOT change at 2k kms instead of 4k?

If my service manual says 3000 miles on my Guzzi, i like to change it at 2-2.5.

Engines like fresh oil.

[Isaanbiker]

Our Yamaha Best II has 75,500 km on the clock, still the first piston and rings, the first clutch. Also the first timing chain. All we needed were new tires, three batteries, brake shoes, three chains and sprockets, two ignitor boxes, and a few bulbs.

 

   One problem these bikes have is the ignitor box that sometimes gives up. 

[lemonjelly]

The newer Honda Wave/Dream gearboxes aren’t as smooth on gear change as the older ones, I read somewhere that they’d changed the gear selection fork design or something. I have a 3 year old Wave, gearbox is a cow sometimes 

[damascase]

5 hours ago, baansgr said:

Honda waves will go to the moon and back....change the oil every 2k....last one did over 100k and believe its still going..easy parts, cheap servicing, never let you down..

Mate of mine rides a 125 Click and recently had a first major engine overhaul - new piston, rings, camshaft drive chain etc. - at 135.000 km. Incredible reliability and very low running costs.

[eisfeld]

1 hour ago, thaiguzzi said:

Er, 0.7 litres of Honda oil is 80 Baht.

That's right, the air cooled motor, clutch AND gearbox are lubed by 0.7 litres of oil.

Why NOT change at 2k kms instead of 4k?

If my service manual says 3000 miles on my Guzzi, i like to change it at 2-2.5.

Engines like fresh oil.

Heh, ok at 0.7L it's really no big deal. Didn't realize it's that little. My bikes always take several liters ????

[impulse]

2 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Er, 0.7 litres of Honda oil is 80 Baht.

That's right, the air cooled motor, clutch AND gearbox are lubed by 0.7 litres of oil.

Why NOT change at 2k kms instead of 4k?

If my service manual says 3000 miles on my Guzzi, i like to change it at 2-2.5.

Engines like fresh oil.

   

Besides, the guys who wrote the manual don't sell oil.  They sell new scooters and replacements for worn out engines.  The faster you wear yours out, the better their bottom line.  It just has to get past the warranty...

 

[Kinnock]

Latest Supercub 110 has a wider drive chain and larger bearing in the gear shift mechanism, plus LED headlight, so likely to be even more durable than the older Dream/Supercubs.

 

Use my previous model Supercub daily, very happy with it - but Wave has helmet storage under seat and a disk brake - so for small amount more it's a more practical option.

 

Need to adjust the cable brakes on the Supercub regularly to maintain its modest stopping power, so the Waves hydraulic brake is a winner.

 

Yamaha and Suzuki equivalents are also good - but with Honda the service is only 140 THB and there's almost as many Honda dealers as 7-11's.

 

Just look at the little Hondas bolted to mobile fried squid and chicken kitchens and you can see that they are tough.

[eisfeld]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

   

Besides, the guys who wrote the manual don't sell oil.  They sell new scooters and replacements for worn out engines.  The faster you wear yours out, the better their bottom line.  It just has to get past the warranty...

 

They actually do sell oil. Especially Yamaha with their Yamalube ????

 

Japanese are not known to make products that fail right after the warranty period as the many comments in this thread can attest.

[impulse]

2 hours ago, eisfeld said:

They actually do sell oil. Especially Yamaha with their Yamalube 

 

Japanese are not known to make products that fail right after the warranty period as the many comments in this thread can attest.

 

Good point. I forgot all about Yamalube...  I used it on my 2 stroke boat motors in BKK because I didn't recognize the local brands. 

 

All the Japanese scooters are good products IMO, with personal preference and fit being the selection criteria.  But they'll all last longer if you change the oil more often. 

 

And if you don't crash...  But that's a whole 'nother thread.

 

[cornishcarlos]

The most reliable Honda Wave, are the red ones....

 

 

[ballpoint]

21 hours ago, papa al said:

what statistics, exactly ?

100% of people who were killed while riding a motorcycle were not killed while riding a bicycle.  Can't argue with statistics.

[IraqRon]

moped???  haven't seen one in forty or more years.  who makes them these day?

have seen electric bikes with peddles for optional locomotion.

[richard_smith237]

42 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

100% of people who were killed while riding a motorcycle were not killed while riding a bicycle.  Can't argue with statistics.

Statistics are fact, but they are often an inaccurate fact.

i.e. 100% of people who drink water will die, water must therefore be dangerous !!

 

On the motorcycle stat: 

76% of road fatalities are motorcyclists. 

2% of road fatalities are cyclists 

 

Riding a motorcycle is 38x more dangerous than riding a bicycle then, right?... sure about that?

 

When evaluating the statistic in this manner we can see how highly flawed it is. 

 

In a 2015 report, WHO said there were 26.3 motorcycle-related deaths for every 100,000 people in Thailand - but not all of those people are motorcyclists - so even that stat is flawed.

 

What we really need to know is:

How many Motorcycle-related deaths for every 100,000 Motorcyclists?

Vs

How many Bicycle-related deaths for every 100,000 cyclists?

 

I believe if the statistic were represented this way, we may see that bicycling in Thailand when evaluated equally has similar risk to riding a motorcycle. 

 

Only then can we see a slightly more accurate statistic, but then you can take things further when evaluating if Motorcycling is safe for you.

From that statistic you can remove - Motorcyclists who were drunk, who are in the high risk 16-30 age group, who are racing, who are riding without a helmet, who are not educated motorcyclists (i.e. licensed after proper training in their home country), and for some - riding a night etc... The result would be a statistic which more accurately reflects the ThaiVisa motorcyclists and shows dramatically reduced numbers - this doesn't make motorcycling safer for us, but it shows a more realistic statistic which more accurately reflects the risk the majority of Westerners take when riding a motorcycle in Thailand. 

 

 

 

 

[ktm jeff]

richard , your post is spot on. Risk factor rises if your drunk , and chances of death rise with a cheap helmet/no helmet. If i may add , it would be interesting to know the fatalities per 1000 KM.