On 8/1/2019 at 2:36 PM, Thingamabob said:

100% agreed. Eating animals is disgusting and shameful.

No, not at all. This is what we have been eating for 100.000 years. Eat free range cows and chicken, voila, no guilt, no harm done! 

 

But do not make a religion, a cult out of veganism. We have have enough religion in the world already, thank you very much!

On ‎8‎/‎1‎/‎2019 at 6:36 PM, Thingamabob said:

100% agreed. Eating animals is disgusting and shameful.

Do some research on how many animals are killed in the fields to harvest your food and make you feel so superior.

Double big Mac for breakfast today I think.

33 minutes ago, Mikisteel said:

Double big Mac for breakfast today I think.

Did you ask for extra pancake syrup with that?

 

I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals.  I just hate plants.

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I do find most meat-eaters are non-sensitised to the butchering of animals to provide the meals they consume. One of my mates is a meat-eater first and foremost. Last week, having lunch together at an Italian restaurant, I ordered my veggie meal and he ordered a pork chop dish, that comes with a creamy sauce and olives.

 

Par for the course. While we were eating our meals, he said, 'I don't know why I ordered this because I don't like olives'. 

 

 

 

 

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On 8/1/2019 at 9:08 AM, simon43 said:

I have no moral concerns about eating meat, only health concerns about eating poor quality meat. 

 

As a youngster, I used to go pheasant shooting in the UK, kill a couple of pheasant, take them home, hang them for a week and then eat them.  Very healthy meat.

Aaah........a pheasant plucker no doubt!

 

There are many vegetarian stalls in Thailand, why not give it a try for 2 weeks. I have done it for much longer.

 

There are too many obese people around, and don't eat rice or bread if you are trying to stay slim.

On 8/2/2019 at 5:58 PM, Brightly said:

A few things to note about adding psyllium husks (essentially this is Metamucil) to your daily regimen.

 

First of all, it’s beneficial in a number of ways:

 

* Promotes bowel regularity

 

* Linked to reduction of colon cancer

 

* Provides a feeling of fullness (especially helpful when taken 

   between lunch and dinner time to prevent snacking)

 

*  It can totally REDUCE YOUR CHOLESTEROL (as it binds with and 

    “escorts” dietary cholesterol out of the body).  Some folks are 

     able to get off statin medications altogether with psyllium.

 

This is pretty great news, doncha’ think?  And it’s a sensible adjunct to anyone who’s looking to drop a kilo-or ten.

 

HOWEVER, one should start with a low dose of psyllium, followed by a glass or two of water, and work up to higher quantities of this supplement, as tolerated

 

On 8/2/2019 at 8:29 PM, Skeptic7 said:

Drink LOTS of water with psyllium husks. Should drink plenty of water regardless, especially in tropical climates...but essential to drink lots of water with psyllium for the full benefit and to prevent the opposite (blockage) from happening. 

There seems to be a lot of info out there with regards to psyllium husks etc, this especially for people who suffer from constipation like yours truly.

 

I went to see Professor A here at the hospital and took a long all of the "fibres" (both soluble and insoluble) that I had been trying to ease my constipation and these things included: – psyllium husks, Metamucil, apple fibre, oat bran, glucomannan (konjac root), Fibily (from Watsons) and a few others.

 

He suggested that I needed to drink more water and I did explain that my total water capacity was usually around 2 L plus a day and I didn't do much exercise, so I wasn't really sweating it out, and even when I did take the fibre, I ensured that I took it with plenty of water.

 

What he did say was that I was to steer away from any of the fibre products that turned into a sort of gel when water was added, and that includes many of those above I have mentioned.

 

By luck I happened upon a website specifically dealing with constipation and the causes thereof and one which caused me a great deal of joy was one which dealt with those folk, like me, who have a very slow digestive system – – called slow motility syndrome, and no matter how much fibre I take, it does nothing more than move very, very slowly through my system and even though I take a lot of water with it, it tends to have the effect of – – yes, constipation.

 

No amount of water helps it to move through my system any faster than my system will process it, so I'm pretty well stuck.

 

Getting onto the diet/vegetarian aspect of this thread, I don't eat much in the way of meat and if I do, it is usually chicken, with perhaps a little bit of ground pork when I make a Thai meal.

 

Pasta is a favourite as are my home-made pizzas with a very thin crust and laden with such things as tomatoes, onions or chopped leek, olives, artichoke hearts and occasionally chopped avocado, accompanied by a side salad.

 

Because I drink red wine, I do take a multivitamin and I suppose I am relatively healthy for a 72-year-old and now that I have conquered my constipation problem I am feeling better than ever – – – and the secret is not fibre per se, but drinking one large glassful of prune juice every morning and it is the natural sorbitol in the prune juice which seems to do the trick.

 

The object of this post was to make people aware that there are those folk out there who will not respond favourably to all sorts of wonderful "fibre solutions".

On 8/2/2019 at 5:00 PM, Skeptic7 said:

Interesting FYI... 

 

Differences between carnivores and herbivores. 

 

Nearly all animals have canine teeth regardless of diet. The hippopotamus is strictly an herbivore and has the largest canines of all. Camels have large canines too, as do other herbivores. 

1. Carnivores have sharp molars/humans and herbivores are flat
2. Carnivores have claws and paws/humans and herbivores hands or hooves
3. Carnivores have large oral cavities/humans small
4. Carnivores have short digestive tracts/humans and herbivores long
5. Carnivores pant to cool the body/humans and herbivores sweat
6. Carnivores lap liquids/humans and herbivores sip
7. Carnivores produce their own vitamin C/humans and herbivores get it from their diet
8. Carnivores don't chew much and saliva doesn't have digestive enzymes/humans and herbivores chew and saliva does have digestive enzymes
9. Carnivores are quick and cunning and kill with claws and teeth/humans are not and don't
10. Carnivores kill then eat raw meat/most humans buy pretty packages of pre-killed meat and usually cook it. 

We are omnivores!!!!

eating veg for over two decades. just lovin' it! never go to a doctor (no need to) and ppl genuinely guess my age 10 years younger. Sorry but when i see guys my age with their blubber bellies and puffin' when they walk a few hunderd meter, NOT FOR ME! Keepin up the good life and getting old healthy. ITS GREAT!  And no never miss the meat although the cheese was harder to part from. 

Anyway interested to give it a try. If being veg is too dificult, plz try flexitarian. Eg, make the first meal of the day healthy and veg. (also no eggs so keep it vegan.) The first day of the meal is the most important and the most easy to control bc you eat at home. Good luck

 

23 minutes ago, jvs said:

We are omnivores!!!!

Agreed, but much more in common with the herbivores...which was the point. Why you animal flesh eaters so defensive and sensitive??? 

In the old days when I grew up we had bacon for breakfast . I stopped that filthy habit when I was in my 30's . 

50 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

Agreed, but much more in common with the herbivores...which was the point. Why you animal flesh eaters so defensive and sensitive??? 

Not sensitive if those vegetarians would not be so judgemental and let people be. Also trying to deny that we are omnivores is just crazy. Its like wanting to rewrite science. 

 

I have no problem with vegetarians, just with the judgemental ones. 

1 hour ago, Skeptic7 said:

Agreed, but much more in common with the herbivores...which was the point. Why you animal flesh eaters so defensive and sensitive??? 

Next time i am having a big steak i will think this over,never met a vegan i could get along with,they are soo sensitive!!!and also a bit on the defensive side.

Almost looks like they want to kill you.5555

There’s a very nice vegetarian restaurant up the road from Tuc Com Pattaya, about 150 m up on the other side at the lights. If I lived nearer this place I could easily eat there 4/5 times a week. Can’t find’ anything in Jomtien, any addresses ?? I love the Indian vegetarian food but the lack of hygiene puts me right off !

11 hours ago, geisha said:

...Can’t find’ anything in Jomtien, any addresses ?? I love the Indian vegetarian food but the lack of hygiene puts me right off !

https://www.happycow.net/

 

They list 62 restaurants including "Veg friendly".

 

"Cabbages & Condoms" is an interesting name for a restaurant.

14 hours ago, robblok said:

Not sensitive if those vegetarians would not be so judgemental and let people be. Also trying to deny that we are omnivores is just crazy. Its like wanting to rewrite science. 

 

I have no problem with vegetarians, just with the judgemental ones. 

Defensive , bullying and aggressive, must be something in the meat!  lol

3 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Defensive , bullying and aggressive, must be something in the meat!  lol

Defensive, bullying and aggressive, must be all those pesticides on the veggies....

11 minutes ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

Defensive, bullying and aggressive, must be all those pesticides on the veggies....

Funny (for a meat eater)... anyway that aside... I have been veggie 44 years (long before it was 'fashionable') and never had an hour in any hospital all my life. Apart from being a little overweight (carbs damn them) I am super healthy, never give meat a second thought (accept to pat animals on the head) and have enjoyed life to the fullest. I will never regret choosing compassion over cruelty but I agree it is everyone's choice.

Hopefully, one day, humanity will evolve and respect the world, its environment and those sentient creatures who share it.

27 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Defensive , bullying and aggressive, must be something in the meat!  lol

Must be in your mind, as there was no bullying at all in that post. I guess the veggies went to your head. 

 

At least in an other post at least you agree its everyone's choice like I have always said. But got attacked by vegetarians anyway. Maybe the hulk syndrome from all those veggies turn green and aggressive ????

1 minute ago, robblok said:

Must be in your mind, as there was no bullying at all in that post. I guess the veggies went to your head. 

 

At least in an other post at least you agree its everyone's choice like I have always said. But got attacked by vegetarians anyway. Maybe the hulk syndrome from all those veggies turn green and aggressive ????

Well... whatever the truth of it we are back to a civilized level. Vegetarians do often see themselves defending those that need it most and several photos were posted here that show the real conditions. It is a hot button issue that stirs passions. I have always been pro-choice in anything - if it harms no living sentient thing. Anyway no movement on either side so... next!

4 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

I have always been pro-choice in anything - if it harms no living sentient thing.

 

This is where it goes sideways

 

Vegans believe they harm nothing yet eat living things. They believe since the plant has no face it has no consciousness

Yet many tests have shown plants react not only to outside physical stimulus but even mental.

 

I am not for one way or the other...I have just come to the conclusion in my life when I eat something I destroy/recycle it period

One food is not better than the other morally. Yes one way is more efficient takes less resources to create etc etc etc

 

Other than that I am not my brothers keeper anyway ????

10 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Well... whatever the truth of it we are back to a civilized level. Vegetarians do often see themselves defending those that need it most and several photos were posted here that show the real conditions. It is a hot button issue that stirs passions. I have always been pro-choice in anything - if it harms no living sentient thing. Anyway no movement on either side so... next!

Of course there is no movement the choice has been made by each of us and we live with it. I would never want to convince a a vegetarian to start eating meat. Their choice not mine. Just like to have the freedom of choice too. 

1 minute ago, mania said:

 

This is where it goes sideways

 

Vegans believe they harm nothing yet eat living things. They believe since the plant has no face it has no consciousness

Yet many tests have shown plants react not only to outside physical stimulus but even mental.

 

I am not for one way or the other...I have just come to the conclusion in my life when I eat something I destroy/recycle it period

One food is not better than the other morally. Yes one way is more efficient takes less resources to create etc etc etc

 

Other than that I am not my brothers keeper anyway ????

I just saw that on myth-busters and yes plants seem to have consciousness (at least some proof for it)

Just now, mania said:

 

This is where it goes sideways

 

Vegans believe they harm nothing yet eat living things. They believe since the plant has no face it has no consciousness

Yet many tests have shown plants react not only to outside physical stimulus but even mental.

 

I am not for one way or the other...I have just come to the conclusion in my life when I eat something I destroy/recycle it period

One food is not better than the other morally. Yes one way is more efficient takes less resources to create etc etc etc

 

Other than that I am not my brothers keeper anyway ????

Nah plants are not sentient. Anyway no point trying to convince you either you feel compassion or you don't. Period.

Just now, robblok said:

Of course there is no movement the choice has been made by each of us and we live with it. I would never want to convince a a vegetarian to start eating meat. Their choice not mine. Just like to have the freedom of choice too. 

I agree but your freedom of choice causes pain and suffering mine does not. But your choice I agree.

2 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Nah plants are not sentient. Anyway no point trying to convince you either you feel compassion or you don't. Period.

Yeah keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better...Period