Expat group launches online petition calling for TM.30 to be scrapped

[balo]

When Prayut receive the petition, he will immediately take action, by arresting everyone who signed it to protect the image of Thailand. 

[Traubert]

4 minutes ago, balo said:

When Prayut receive the petition, he will immediately take action, by arresting everyone who signed it to protect the image of Thailand. 

It won't come within a mile of Prayut. It will stop at Big Oud, who will proceed to make life very difficult for a lot of people with minimum effort and using existing laws and rules. He'll see it as a challenge to his authority and as we all understand, that's not wise with a Thai.

[madmen]

10 hours ago, Ron jeremy said:

Why put up with this Thai bullshit? Leave, many nice countries in the region with currencies worth something.

whats the draw with Thailand anyways?

Interesting nic you have so assume you know exactly what the draw is ????

Edited July 29, 2019 by metisdead
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[sweatalot]

2 hours ago, jackdd said:

Foreigners who entered Thailand under section 34, this is probably everybody here,

everybody?

You're wrong

Section 34

Aliens entering into the kingdom for a temporary stay may enter for the below listed activities:

1. Diplomatic or Consular Missions
2. Performance of official duties
3. Touring
4. Sporting
5. Business
6. Investing under the concurrence of the Ministries and Departments concerned.
7. Investing or other activities relating to investing subject to the provisions of the law on investment promotion.
8. Transit journey.
9. Being the person in charge of the crew of a conveyance coming to port, station, or area in the Kingdom.
10. Study or observation.
11. Mass media.
12. Missionary work under the concurrence of the Ministries and departments concerned.
13. Scientific research or training or teach in a Research Institute in the Kingdom.
14. The practice of skilled handicraft or as a specialist
15. Other activities as prescribed in the Ministerial Regulations.

[ThaiLawOnline]

Nothing is perfect. People will disagree, would have used other words, including other reforms.

 

The website crashed twice today because there was too much traffic. The petition text in English has been revised to be more readable.

 

I am part of this group and we need 10,000 signatures to change things, Below that, they will not listen to us. I have lived in Thailand for 15 years, I work for a law firm. There is nothing illegal to tell how you feel about a law. Some people in our group have Thai families, work hard, pay taxes. We tried to add testimonials with pictures but people are quite scared.

 

I would like to appeal the Thaivisa community to SIGN THIS PETITION as if nothing is done, nothing will change. Some applications online do not work, it is currently a mess and not necessary. We are screen by immigration, give our address every 90 days, checked at airports and country entrances, etc. How many foreigners live in Thailand? How many spend a weekend in another province? Do you imagine the lost of time to manage this? 

 

This is not to protect terrorism. My personal opinion, it is useless and bureaucracy. In the old law of 1979 and need a change.

 

If you do not like it, do not sign, and I won't answer comments here. I take care of 4 children and manage a law firm. I have permanent residency and don't even have to do TM30, TM28 or TM47. I did that to help this community after receiving TONS of complaints. Thanks.

 

Sebastian.

[bluebluewater]

The wordsmithing of that letter is terrible and that is being generous.  I'm not sure I would want to sign something like that although I certainly agree with the sentiment.  Not that it much matters as I am booked to leave Thailand in mid September after some 14 years here.

[ThaiLawOnline]

37 minutes ago, balo said:

When Prayut receive the petition, he will immediately take action, by arresting everyone who signed it to protect the image of Thailand. 

 

Of course, you are sure about that. But some people do know generals in Thailand and some high rank people. Contesting in Court was not the best option. I know some high people and we will see. Celebrities refused to be part of that project. We tried.

[ThaiLawOnline]

1 minute ago, bluebluewater said:

The wordsmithing of that letter is terrible and that is being generous.  I'm not sure I would want to sign something like that although I certainly agree with the sentiment.  Not that it much matters as I am booked to leave Thailand in mid September after some 14 years here.

 

Read again, it was changed 5 minutes ago. Refresh your browser.

[jackdd]

54 minutes ago, sweatalot said:

everybody?

You're wrong

Imho the only people who were not allowed to stay temporary under section 34 when they arrived, but then later allowed to stay temporary and thus falling under section 37 are stateless people and people who were granted asylum in Thailand, after they illegally crossed a Thai border. I thought it's unlikely to have a member with such a status here on Thaivisa, so i said "probably everybody here". You know any other case?

Edited July 28, 2019 by jackdd

[londonthai]

what i think about thai emigration, thai laws, this government and military is written clearly on my face and way I behave in presence of any thai government official. I try to make it hard for them.

 

this petition hasn't got anything to do with anybodies birthday.

 

don't care about humiliating extensions, just do border runs every 3 months for shopping and come back with a few hundred baht savings. Save time and nerves.

 

And no need to improve their circus. They exactly know what they are doing, they are doing it on purpose. Instead falling into their trap try to outsmart them. You are a lawyer so you should know well how to do it

Edited July 28, 2019 by londonthai

[BestB]

1 hour ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

Yes, the triumph of hope over experience.......

What experience ?

[Roy Baht]

42 minutes ago, Isaanlawyers said:

 There is nothing illegal to tell how you feel about a law.

https://www.nationthailand.com/politics/30332203

[ThaiLawOnline]

3 minutes ago, Roy Baht said:

https://www.nationthailand.com/politics/30332203

 

Yes, and I am sure you know the Thai Supreme Court decisions about defamation. Like for Taksin, and his defense, article XIV and others. We can disagree without calling each other's moron.

[Traubert]

Surely if the letter has been amended, you have to collect the signatures of those who signed prior to the amendments again, or show their individual initials against each amendment?

 

As an online petition, timings are traceable for signatures, as are IP addresses.

 

Or does it work differently in Thailand?

[Sheryl]

Flaming posts and replies to them have been removed along with a post skating close to lese majesty. Anymore and the posters will find themselves on a posting  holiday.

[ThaiLawOnline]

Just now, Traubert said:

Surely if the letter has been amended, you have to collect the signatures of those who signed prior to the amendments again, or show their individual initials against each amendment?

 

As an online petition, timings are traceable for signatures, as are IP addresses.

 

Or does it work differently in Thailand?

 

We would delete anyone who writes to us if they want. There is an encryption system and numbers are real. I do know website a little, but I work with some programmers for that one.

We modified the text to make it better, not to change the main content.

Sorry for inconveniences if any.

[Traubert]

4 minutes ago, Isaanlawyers said:

 

We would delete anyone who writes to us if they want. There is an encryption system and numbers are real. I do know website a little, but I work with some programmers for that one.

We modified the text to make it better, not to change the main content.

Sorry for inconveniences if any.

It doesn't matter. If amended after signature, even by one word, or a punctuation mark, it's start again or show individual signatory approval. Otherwise a line can be drawn across the petition back as far as the last amendment time and date and names above that line can be disregarded.

 

I'm trying to assist here but I have no stake in this. I'm just a happy tourist.

[Greyhat]

Thank you to the people behind this, it's very refreshing to see. My landlady was complaining about it the other week so perhaps she and a few other Thais in similar positions would like to be made aware of this too.

 

Thanks for sticking up for all of us expats. ????

[ThaiLawOnline]

Thanks for that. And share on facebook, everywhere, ask your friends to sign. We won't go ANYWHERE without 10,000 signatures (I think).

 

We can't please everyone, we are a group, but we are trying our best. Thaivisa is full of Trolls that just want to complain for anything. I let them complain...they know everything. Most spend their miserable life trolling on internet 24/24. I have better things to do.

[elliss]

4 hours ago, Roy Baht said:

No it can't. The Thai government bowing to pressure from foreigners? It would cause loss of face and set a dangerous precedent. If anything, it will make them enforce the law more strictly.

 

 It is with great regret , i have to agree with you. 

 

Edited July 28, 2019 by elliss

[wobalt]

Today in German NEWs a data leek in Thailand with stolen passport and health information of about 2000 people has been reported


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[scoutman360]

I wish them luck, but after reading the petition, I doubt it. The petition is clearly focused on the pain and suffering of the foreigner.  I don't think immigration has any interest in our suffering at all.

 

I would suggest they focus on the negative impact it is placing on Thailand's economy and the global image of Thailand. Share some factual negative examples and how word is spreading on the internet. This, my friend, will attract the media, newspapers, and the attention they are hoping for.

 

Examples: Thai condo owners not willing to rent to foreigners. Foreign employment talent not coming to Thailand.  Empty condos lead to lower property values (i.e., impact to real estate). Etc.

Edited July 28, 2019 by scoutman360
Additional commentary

[plfomylo]

hello,

 

just found this, do you think that it will be successful ? Reform Thai immigration laws , do you think that it's possible ?

 

But a big question is to know why Thaivisa is not helping us ? The biggest community should be the one with balls !

 

http://www.richardbarrow.com/2019/07/sign-the-petition-to-reform-thai-immigration-and-article-37/

 

http://reform-thai-immigration.com/

 

anyway, it's good to try and at least the guy working for TAT and the Esaan lawyers did something useful for the first time of their lives !

 

Cheers !

 

 

 

 

 

[plfomylo]

25 minutes ago, Isaanlawyers said:

 

We would delete anyone who writes to us if they want. There is an encryption system and numbers are real. I do know website a little, but I work with some programmers for that one.

We modified the text to make it better, not to change the main content.

Sorry for inconveniences if any.

 

why is it written SPONSOR ? how much did you pay to have the right to speak on this forum ?

 

 

[ThomasThBKK]

1 hour ago, Isaanlawyers said:

Nothing is perfect. People will disagree, would have used other words, including other reforms.

 

The website crashed twice today because there was too much traffic. The petition text in English has been revised to be more readable.

 

I am part of this group and we need 10,000 signatures to change things, Below that, they will not listen to us. I have lived in Thailand for 15 years, I work for a law firm. There is nothing illegal to tell how you feel about a law. Some people in our group have Thai families, work hard, pay taxes. We tried to add testimonials with pictures but people are quite scared.

 

I would like to appeal the Thaivisa community to SIGN THIS PETITION as if nothing is done, nothing will change. Some applications online do not work, it is currently a mess and not necessary. We are screen by immigration, give our address every 90 days, checked at airports and country entrances, etc. How many foreigners live in Thailand? How many spend a weekend in another province? Do you imagine the lost of time to manage this? 

 

This is not to protect terrorism. My personal opinion, it is useless and bureaucracy. In the old law of 1979 and need a change.

 

If you do not like it, do not sign, and I won't answer comments here. I take care of 4 children and manage a law firm. I have permanent residency and don't even have to do TM30, TM28 or TM47. I did that to help this community after receiving TONS of complaints. Thanks.

 

Sebastian.

Thanks man for this, irrelevant of the outcome, you did a good job. 

I have nothing to add, except you are the guy we need but prolly most of us don't deserve. 

 

Please note many people appreciate your effort, it's only the negative minority here that doesn't. 

 

 

[hgma]

Emergency treatment.

Suppose one needs treatment in another province, should the ambulance drive to immigration to report?

Mother in Law visit (Lao)

Nephews and nieces

What a mess.

[Puccini]

4 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

Will the letter be translated to Thai?

 

4 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

yes it is in Thai

Is there a link to the Thai translation available?

[jackdd]

10 minutes ago, hgma said:

Emergency treatment.

Suppose one needs treatment in another province, should the ambulance drive to immigration to report?

Most hospitals probably have an employee who does the TM30 for foreign patients if they stay at the hospital. And even if they don't do it, they are the ones breaking the law, that's not the problem of the foreigner.

[Roy Baht]

1 hour ago, Isaanlawyers said:

 

Yes, and I am sure you know the Thai Supreme Court decisions about defamation. Like for Taksin, and his defense, article XIV and others. We can disagree without calling each other's moron.

LLB from Canada? Not even a real lawyer. It's not a disagreement. You don't know the most basic facts.  

[losername]

I would not put my signature to such an appalling letter. Surely they can find native English language writers and prof readers.