Upgrading laptop HDD to SSD

[JamJar]

1 hour ago, Farangwithaplan said:

Yes, I realise 60gb will still work for an OS and scratch drive. But if people keep a lot of data they wont. And who doesn't keep a lot of data? My Office install is just about 3gb.

I said I wouldn't mention it but it seems I need to to make the point I was trying to get across. Windows 10 originally called for 16gb for an installation + extra temp space for downloading updates. That figure is now 32gb + the ever increasing amount of temp space for updates.

 

Add the need for more scratch drive space for day to day running and all of a sudden people's old estimates of what is required goes up. But the biggest issues is that when the silent downloads for the updates start, it looks for free space. Without warning, if it needs free space, the operating system starts compressing individual files without the user's knowledge. The only thing you see is a 2 little blue arrows on the the folder or file icon.

 

If your files get compressed during update, I believe you need to manually uncompress each file if you want them back in their original form.

 

I'm not telling you how much free space you need. I am just making comment that minimum space requirements have changed and likely will change over time. If it doens;t concern you, that's good. But I believe it will affect some either now or in the future.

 

From version 1903 going forward, Windows 10 allocates 7 GB, as Reserved Storage

 

Current Windows 10 users will only get the Reserved Storage feature if their systems get "clean installed" to Windows 10 version 1903...

 

Another reason why it is preferable to clean install the OS, as opposed to cloning.

 

https://redmondmag.com/articles/2019/01/11/microsoft-reserved-storage-for-windows-10.aspx

 

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Storage-at-Microsoft/Windows-10-and-reserved-storage/ba-p/428327

[petermik]

On 8/16/2019 at 7:38 AM, Victornoir said:

 

 

 

 

At last, warnings about improperly installed windows are obsolete. Everyone can easily reinstall windows 10 in:
Settings - update - recovery - reset this PC.

Enjoy.

Ok gents after taking on some of the advice on here if I do the above (reset this pc) and then clone everything to the SSD (I will put/copy my photos/music onto a flash drive just in case) is this an acceptable option?

[JamJar]

7 hours ago, petermik said:

Ok gents after taking on some of the advice on here if I do the above (reset this pc) and then clone everything to the SSD (I will put/copy my photos/music onto a flash drive just in case) is this an acceptable option?

 

Just run a clean install to SSD, put the old HDD into a caddy and drag whatever you want over from there.

[JamJar]

Some tips for the clean install; https://fdossena.com/?p=w10debotnet/index_1903.frag

 

You don't need to follow all. Just gives you some ideas.

 

You can just follow what is on the blue screens and then install https://www.safer-networking.org/products/spybot-anti-beacon/

 

As I've stated, cloning will just install the bloat and the bad settings.  Start afresh with a clean system and Reserved Storage.

Edited August 17, 2019 by JamJar

[topt]

On 8/17/2019 at 9:32 AM, petermik said:

Ok gents after taking on some of the advice on here if I do the above (reset this pc) and then clone everything to the SSD (I will put/copy my photos/music onto a flash drive just in case) is this an acceptable option?

OP I have recently gone through this exercise with an older laptop and Win 7. 

Some great support available here if you need it - https://www.tenforums.com/

 

[Number 6]

Are the pins the same on a laptop disconnecting the HDD and connecting SSD? No adapter?

 

Do the SSD drives have low level formatting?

 

It's not the C drive so uncomplicated.

 

Just what I need yet another 1tb drive laying around.

 

Thx

Edited August 18, 2019 by Number 6

[Mavideol]

I did that 2 months ago to my laptop, great change should have done it long time ago. I went the easy way purchasing a Samsung SSD disk, they have their own software to do disk/system copy, sit back and it will be all done within 1 hour depending on the size, I did try some of 3rd party software as some refer in this post, unfortunately the results were not to my expectation thus the choice to switch to Samsung... hassle free

[JamJar]

7 hours ago, Number 6 said:

Are the pins the same on a laptop disconnecting the HDD and connecting SSD? No adapter?

 

Do the SSD drives have low level formatting?

 

It's not the C drive so uncomplicated.

 

Just what I need yet another 1tb drive laying around.

 

Thx

 

It's the same.

[OneMoreFarang]

12 hours ago, Victornoir said:

Yes.

And you can reset the PC before or after copy. It's exactly same.

I would do it after - if at all.

That makes sure your original disk has your installation with everything 100% working. The perfect backup.

[Mavideol]

before starting the data migration do a disk cleanup, removing all temporary unnecessary files, etc, also do a scan disk, check your device manager to make sure there are not yellow questions marks indicating if any device is not working correctly.... when all has been done close any and all running applications, start the data migration, sit back, have a cup of coffee/tea/beer whatsoever and it will do the job, don't turn the machine off at any time, if the screen goes dark it's normal, still working on the back ground

[Pattaya46]

4 hours ago, NanLaew said:

If I chose to do a clean install/restoration guess what? I would have to remove all the unwanted bloatware that came with the bloody thing AGAIN. //

For me "clean" (install or restore) means an install initially done using Microsoft tools.

There is no bloatware on a "clean" Windows 10. 

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10

[chrisinth]

13 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

For me "clean" (install or restore) means an install initially done using Microsoft tools.

There is no bloatware on a "clean" Windows 10. 

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10

Actually, you might be surprised how much bloatware comes with W10 even before the OEMs add to it. I have used this powershell script religiously for the past 6 months or so (with absolutely no negative downsides) on several machines. If you do decide to try it, make a recovery image of your system first. To not do so would be asking for a visit from Mr. Murphy & his law...................

 

[JamJar]

3 minutes ago, chrisinth said:

Actually, you might be surprised how much bloatware comes with W10 even before the OEMs add to it. I have used this powershell script religiously for the past 6 months or so (with absolutely no negative downsides) on several machines. If you do decide to try it, make a recovery image of your system first. To not do so would be asking for a visit from Mr. Murphy & his law...................

 

 

Posted something similar @ #66 ; https://fdossena.com/?p=w10debotnet/index_1903.frag

 

But automating the process certainly makes it a lot easier for the average user.

[JamJar]

The link; https://github.com/Sycnex/Windows10Debloater

 

Haven't tested it myself

[Pattaya46]

19 minutes ago, JamJar said:

The link; https://github.com/Sycnex/Windows10Debloater

From the link above :

Quote

Bloatware that is removed:

3DBuilder, Appconnector, Bing Finance, Bing News, Bing Sports, Bing Weather, Fresh Paint, Get started, Microsoft Office Hub, Microsoft Solitaire Collection, Microsoft Sticky Notes, OneNote, OneConnect, People, Skype for Desktop, Alarms, Camera, Maps, Phone, SoundRecorder, XboxApp, Zune Music, Zune Video, Windows communications apps, Minecraft, PowerBI, Network Speed Test, Phone, Messaging, Office Sway, Windows Feedback Hub, Bing Food And Drink, Bing Travel, Bing Health And Fitness, Windows Reading List, Twitter, Pandora, Flipboard, Shazam, CandyCrush, CandyCrushSoda, King apps, iHeartRadio, Netflix, DrawboardPDF, PicsArt-PhotoStudio, FarmVille 2 Country Escape, TuneInRadio, Asphalt8, NYT Crossword, CyberLink MediaSuite Essentials, Facebook, Royal Revolt 2, Caesars Slots Free Casino, March of Empires, Phototastic Collage, Autodesk SketchBook, Duolingo, EclipseManager, ActiproSoftware, BioEnrollment, Windows Feedback, Xbox Game CallableUI, Xbox Identity Provider, and ContactSupport.

???

I never heard of the big majority of softwares in this list.

I just checked a few ones and clearly they are not on my computer and were not installed by default on a Microsoft Windows 10.

 

BTW Microsoft Solitaire Collection may be the most used software on Windows

[chrisinth]

59 minutes ago, JamJar said:

The link; https://github.com/Sycnex/Windows10Debloater

 

Haven't tested it myself

Yep, that is the screenshot of the powershell GUI script that I posted earlier, there is also a command line script as well. Individual scripts for the different parts of the GUI also.

 

Very Handy but for first time run, I would recommend the Remove Bloatware with Blacklist option.

[tingtongfarang]

I have an old lenovo thinkpad T430, on my last visit to hk a sales guy showed me a piece of hardware which replaces the slot for the dvd drive which accepts an M.2 ssd, 

Was thinking to put a samsung 2TB M.2 into one of these and do a clean install, Then use the original 500GB ssd as a storage drive still in its original caddy.

 

Anyone tried this?

[Pattaya46]

1 hour ago, tingtongfarang said:

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Anyone tried this?

Everyone do this 

A fast M.2 NVMe for the system and most used files,

and the old "slow" SSD 2.5" for storage & backup. 

 

You say "old" computer. So better to check which M.2 cards it accepts.

Some "old" ones only accept SATA M.2 card, not as fast as MVNe M.2, but better than SATA 2.5"

[tingtongfarang]

16 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

 

 

You say "old" computer. So better to check which M.2 cards it accepts.

Some "old" ones only accept SATA M.2 card, not as fast as MVNe M.2, but better than SATA 2.5"

Hmm that would suck because i have a spare samsung M.2 nvme evo plus in the drawer still in the box, 

Any link to a website where i could check?

Thanks for the help

Edited August 20, 2019 by tingtongfarang

[Jai Dee]

Several argumentative troll posts have been removed.

[chrisinth]

5 minutes ago, tingtongfarang said:

Hmm that would suck because i have a spare samsung M.2 nvme evo plus in the drawer still in the box, 

Any link to a website where i could check?

Thanks for the help

Unless you can utilize a PCIe slot, your NVMe M.2 (can still be used maybe) will not reach it's potential speed. I think what your friend was talking about was a DVD caddy; you remove the DVD module from your laptop and replace with the caddy, which will have the M.2 card mounted on it.

 

Depending on the caddy, whether it has a B fitting or an M one (maybe has B+M), will dictate if you can mount your NVMe card. As the caddy will be using a SATA connection however (the same one your DVD drive was plugged into) you will only achieve a transfer rate of 600MB/s, the max for SATA 3.

 

SATA M.2 & SATA SSD have the same speed; they are using the same bus.

[petermik]

Just to update

In the end I bought a Samsung Evo 250gb SSD off the Lazada website....1390 baht from a seller with good feedback....downloaded the installation software from Samsung and after doing some tweeks and checks with my win 10 home system and transferring all my personal data onto a flash drive I cloned all onto the SSD (thought I,d got a "mickey" at first as it would not register on the target screen,then I found the refresh button hit that and all was well....big sigh of relief) everything was done in 15 minutes and all is good 

Thanks for the help/tips which came along and I,m surprised my original enquiry has gone to six pages.

[Mavideol]

8 minutes ago, petermik said:

Just to update

In the end I bought a Samsung Evo 250gb SSD off the Lazada website....1390 baht from a seller with good feedback....downloaded the installation software from Samsung and after doing some tweeks and checks with my win 10 home system and transferring all my personal data onto a flash drive I cloned all onto the SSD (thought I,d got a "mickey" at first as it would not register on the target screen,then I found the refresh button hit that and all was well....big sigh of relief) everything was done in 15 minutes and all is good 

Thanks for the help/tips which came along and I,m surprised my original enquiry has gone to six pages.

glad all worked out, maybe I didn't provide enough details about the Samsung, did forgot to tell you to refresh or re-start the machine to avoid delays in finding the new drive, great job