Britain to become "second rate" in the world after Brexit - EU's Tusk

[ivor bigun]

If we become second rate ,the EU will be junk status ,and that does not mean i dont like European people ,it just means i cant stand Brussels and its total uslessnes and corruption .

[the guest]

UK is already second rated so nothing new there.

[nausea]

I can't see london, or Glasgow, or Liverpool, or Manchester, becoming second rate; but yeah, the regions are gonna suffer, I reckon. I hope I'm wrong.

[Bangkokazy]

After Brexit you will see Englishmen as boat refugees to Europe

[Thingamabob]

9 hours ago, Brigand said:

More Project Nonsense from someone who has way more to worry about in his own backyard.

Tusk is not welcome in his own country, to say the least. 

[chaiyapoon]

9 minutes ago, the guest said:

UK is already second rated so nothing new there.

Cant argue with that, but too much of our manufacturing industry has been encouraged to relocate elsewhere by EU grants etc. The EU are and have been actively reducing the UK to little more than a vassal state.

Time we were gone before there is nothing left.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Bangkokazy said:

After Brexit you will see Englishmen as boat refugees to Europe

Doubt it.....????

[Thingamabob]

3 hours ago, Matzzon said:

Do you ask yourself what you actually write before you post it?

What you are saying is that he has no power against Merkel, but with her backing and her orders he barks then his power is great in front of others.

After that you finish with, He has absolutely zero power. 

 

hmmmmmm.......?????

Zero power, and big trouble for him in his own country, Poland.

[transam]

Half, or more, of the EU countries are second rate, that's why the UK is stuffing in 13% of the 28 countries cash supply.....

The EU knows the UK is more than a first rate country whilst it is bolstering it, that is soon to end, and like a "woman scorned" the EU tongues are now wagging, they ain't happy......Shame init....????........????

[Matzzon]

14 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Zero power, and big trouble for him in his own country, Poland.

Another one that states he have zero power. Please, then feel free to tell me why Brexit takes so long time, and the UK do not get everything that they want?

Would be easy for you, right?

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Half, or more, of the EU countries are second rate, that's why the UK is stuffing in 13% of the 28 countries cash supply.....

The EU knows the UK is more than a first rate country whilst it is bolstering it, that is soon to end, and like a "woman scorned" the EU tongues are now wagging, they ain't happy......Shame init....????........????

OK, I am going to have to ask - what is there above first rate?

[Bangkokazy]

19 minutes ago, transam said:

Doubt it.....????

For 46 years, England has been in the EU
The UK workforce does not know what it is like to be outside.
Therefore, we will see most refugees come across the English Channel
To France and ruin Europe.
Englishmen are ranked as the world's largest <deleted>

[Caledonia Boy]

5 hours ago, phetpeter said:

The reason we want out of Brexit is because they have turned us into a second rate country. We were doing fine with just our brothers from out colonial cousins. then the EU decide we should allow free movement of their unwanted, low skilled to come and stay which allowed businesses to take on people at low wages and cause the rise on lower incomes and force UK citizens to require food banks to feed their families.  While these groups milk our systems of welfare, and sending there monies home, while the EU fails to make all member's to pay an equal wage across all EU countries.

You must be referring to the early 70's prior to the UK joining the EEC, the UK was known as the "sick man of Europe". The UK was struggling and was finally accepted into the EEC after 3 attempts. So going from being dubbed the "sick man of Europe" to being the 5th largest economy in the world was an achievement. Don't you think being in the EU contributed to this in some way? 

[DPKANKAN]

10 hours ago, Brigand said:

More Project Nonsense from someone who has way more to worry about in his own backyard.

Exactly correct. More worried about the loss of revenue from the UK!!! Britain will be stronger. The City of London is expanding with increased revenues. One of, if not the the biggest, financial hedge funds in the world recently pumped billions into the UK because they know how much stronger and better off it will be.

Bring it on Boris!!

[DPKANKAN]

7 minutes ago, Caledonia Boy said:

You must be referring to the early 70's prior to the UK joining the EEC, the UK was known as the "sick man of Europe". The UK was struggling and was finally accepted into the EEC after 3 attempts. So going from being dubbed the "sick man of Europe" to being the 5th largest economy in the world was an achievement. Don't you think being in the EU contributed to this in some way? 

It was called 'the common market'!!! No <deleted> talk at that time of changing laws, further levels of parliament or billions of pounds given to eastern block and other poor nations!!

[alfieconn]

1 minute ago, DPKANKAN said:

Exactly correct. More worried about the loss of revenue from the UK!!! Britain will be stronger. The City of London is expanding with increased revenues. One of, if not the the biggest, financial hedge funds in the world recently pumped billions into the UK because they know how much stronger and better off it will be.

Bring it on Boris!!

No no you have it all wrong, when we leave the EU the whole of the City of London is going pack up and move to Frankfurt apparently 

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Brexiteers are predicting the UK will be better off after leaving the EU.

Tusk is saying we will be worse off.

Now which version of events do world economists suggest is the most likely?

None of them.

 

So many economists have predicted so much and have got so many things wrong that I have no faith in any of them.

 

How many of them predicted the 2008 financial crisis? Did you believe them?

 

How many times has the BoE governor, Mark Carney got things wrong? Did you believe him?

 

These world economists have access to so much information yet they still get it wrong.

 

Philip Hammond predicted doom and gloom when the UK went to Brexit and that hundreds of thousands of jobs would be lost. Did you believe him?

[Rookiescot]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

2023, isn't the world predicted to be underwater by climate change before then?

Didn't 'they' predict the Brexit vote would be to stay, and the US presidential election would be won by Hillary?

 

I love predictions made by people globalist/Marxists with an agenda, only fools pay attention to them.

Which globalists/Marxists predicted the world would be under water by 2023?

Now you personally can hold a position where you feel any downturn in the UK economy is acceptable so long as we leave the EU. Indeed you can hold the position that any price (including the break up of the UK itself) is worth it. I would respect that.

But you cannot hold a position of simply denying what is going to happen. If you voted Brexit then you guys need to accept responsibility for what happens because of Brexit. 

[billd766]

2 hours ago, natway09 said:

You will never convince the Brexiters that these stupid delays will  damage the UK

for many years to come

Who has been the main cause of the delays for over 3 years. It was that nice Teresa May who is a Remainer with a Remainer cabinet.

 

When Boris wanted to leave on 31st October it was all those lovely politicians who voted Remain and even brought the courts in to stop Boris. Who tried to stop Boris from calling an election? It surely could not have been the Brexiteers, could it?

 

So please try to convince me that the Brexiteers caused ALL those delays.

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, billd766 said:

None of them.

 

So many economists have predicted so much and have got so many things wrong that I have no faith in any of them.

 

How many of them predicted the 2008 financial crisis? Did you believe them?

 

How many times has the BoE governor, Mark Carney got things wrong? Did you believe him?

 

These world economists have access to so much information yet they still get it wrong.

 

Philip Hammond predicted doom and gloom when the UK went to Brexit and that hundreds of thousands of jobs would be lost. Did you believe him?

We have not left yet.

[Rookiescot]

Just now, billd766 said:

Who has been the main cause of the delays for over 3 years. It was that nice Teresa May who is a Remainer with a Remainer cabinet.

 

When Boris wanted to leave on 31st October it was all those lovely politicians who voted Remain and even brought the courts in to stop Boris. Who tried to stop Boris from calling an election? It surely could not have been the Brexiteers, could it?

 

So please try to convince me that the Brexiteers caused ALL those delays.

Johnson voted against Mays deal. As did all the other members of the ERG.

We could have left last March if they had voted for it.

Johnsons deal was voted through in parliament but Johnson refused to pursue it because parliament didnt want to follow Johnsons timescale.

When the clock ran out for a no deal Brexit then Johnson got his election. 

[billd766]

51 minutes ago, Bangkokazy said:

After Brexit you will see Englishmen as boat refugees to Europe

Fortunately I had just put my coffee down when I read your post. It gave me my biggest laugh of the day.  ????

[ivor bigun]

36 minutes ago, Bangkokazy said:

For 46 years, England has been in the EU
The UK workforce does not know what it is like to be outside.
Therefore, we will see most refugees come across the English Channel
To France and ruin Europe.
Englishmen are ranked as the world's largest <deleted>

What come to France for a 24 hour working week ,4 hour lunch breaks 16 weeks holiday a year and farmers paid to farm,the French dont know what the word work means ,mind you they are first class at striking.

[billd766]

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

We have not left yet.

Those things I quoted happened in  the last 10 years and not in the future.

 

Please try to answer the questions that I asked in reply to your post.

 

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Johnson voted against Mays deal. As did all the other members of the ERG.

We could have left last March if they had voted for it.

Johnsons deal was voted through in parliament but Johnson refused to pursue it because parliament didnt want to follow Johnsons timescale.

When the clock ran out for a no deal Brexit then Johnson got his election. 

 

To answer your post Theresa May said many times that a no deal was better that a bad deal.

 

Perhaps he was right at the time. I don't know, do you?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2018/sep/21/brexit-no-deal-is-better-than-a-bad-deal-says-theresa-may-video

 

https://harvardpolitics.com/world/no-deal-is-better-than-a-bad-deal/

 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/103591/theresa-may-ditches-‘no-deal-better-bad-deal’-she-hints

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48511379

 

There are lots more links out there.

[CG1 Blue]

27 minutes ago, Caledonia Boy said:

You must be referring to the early 70's prior to the UK joining the EEC, the UK was known as the "sick man of Europe". The UK was struggling and was finally accepted into the EEC after 3 attempts. So going from being dubbed the "sick man of Europe" to being the 5th largest economy in the world was an achievement. Don't you think being in the EU contributed to this in some way? 

I don't think this is a valid argument. Yes, the UK was in a bad way in the mid 70s for lots of different reasons. I don't think it wasn't political union with Europe that pulled us out of that mess. 

If being in the EU was the driver of the UK economy, why has Greece virtually become a third world country whilst being in the EU? Why are the economies of EU member states Spain, Italy and Portugal in such a mess? 

 

EU economic policies tend to favour the big multi-national corporations (hence all the furious lobbying in Brussels). The EU also seeks to redistribute the UK's wealth and manufacturing across poorer / newer member states, and has continually sought to diminish the UK's position as the banking and finance powerhouse of Europe. 

 

 

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Those things I quoted happened in  the last 10 years and not in the future.

 

Please try to answer the questions that I asked in reply to your post.

 

 

To answer your post Theresa May said many times that a no deal was better that a bad deal.

 

Perhaps he was right at the time. I don't know, do you?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2018/sep/21/brexit-no-deal-is-better-than-a-bad-deal-says-theresa-may-video

 

https://harvardpolitics.com/world/no-deal-is-better-than-a-bad-deal/

 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/103591/theresa-may-ditches-‘no-deal-better-bad-deal’-she-hints

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48511379

 

There are lots more links out there.

2008 was almost impossible to predict because ALL the banks were up to the same scams. All were bundling bad debt and showing it as good debt on their balance sheets and borrowing money off each other on the strength of it. When one domino fell they all did. The lot of them should be behind bars as far as Im concerned charged with fraud. You might remember people like Johnson defending the bankers though?

 

 

I dont understand your reference to Mays stance of no deal is better than a bad deal. Johnsons deal is Mays deal just with a border down the Irish sea. As I said it was voted through the commons but Johnson suddenly decided he didnt want his own deal.

 

[sunnyboy2018]

Its been a second rate dump for years. Whole towns and cities such as Telford,  Luton, Bradford are swamped by m****ms. The country is full of jobsworths, touts, bullies rules, regulations,  laws   and PC gone mad. Multiculturalism and Diversity are killing of Britain's distinctive culture. The cops inept and corrupt.  The politicians dreadful. The schools and universities social engineering factories. The NHS is failing as is social care. Gang warfare, criminality, and extreme violence are rising. The continued war on drugs has led to a massive growth in Narco mafias and has led to mistrust of the legal system. The streets are not safe for kids around 4pm and at night older people dont go out anymore.  Many cities have large areas that are no go zones and in such places,  like Telford over 1400 children were groomed,  raped and sold by local gangs for two decades a crime ignored by the police a very common phenomenon in many other cities. The awful nature of modern UK has not been prevented by EU membership. On the contrary EU membership has led to this sorry state of affairs. A second rate, third world Britain.

[RideJocky]

5 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Its been a second rate dump for years. Whole towns and cities such as Telford,  Luton, Bradford are swamped by m****ms. The country is full of jobsworths, touts, bullies rules, regulations,  laws   and PC gone mad. Multiculturalism and Diversity are killing of Britain's distinctive culture. The cops inept and corrupt.  The politicians dreadful. The schools and universities social engineering factories. The NHS is failing as is social care. Gang warfare, criminality, and extreme violence are rising. The continued war on drugs has led to a massive growth in Narco mafias and has led to mistrust of the legal system. The streets are not safe for kids around 4pm and at night older people dont go out anymore.  Many cities have large areas that are no go zones and in such places,  like Telford over 1400 children were groomed,  raped and sold by local gangs for two decades a crime ignored by the police a very common phenomenon in many other cities. The awful nature of modern UK has not been prevented by EU membership. On the contrary EU membership has led to this sorry state of affairs. A second rate, third world Britain.

Yes, but aside from that?

[billd766]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

2008 was almost impossible to predict because ALL the banks were up to the same scams. All were bundling bad debt and showing it as good debt on their balance sheets and borrowing money off each other on the strength of it. When one domino fell they all did. The lot of them should be behind bars as far as Im concerned charged with fraud. You might remember people like Johnson defending the bankers though?

 

 

I dont understand your reference to Mays stance of no deal is better than a bad deal. Johnsons deal is Mays deal just with a border down the Irish sea. As I said it was voted through the commons but Johnson suddenly decided he didnt want his own deal.

 

quote "2008 was almost impossible to predict because ALL the banks were up to the same scams. All were bundling bad debt and showing it as good debt on their balance sheets and borrowing money off each other on the strength of it. When one domino fell they all did." 

 

As I understand your post is that what you are saying is ALL the banks in most of the countries in the world acted together. That is something that I cannot believe, nor can I believe that with all the sophisticated equipment available, all the combined knowledge (I was going to say intelligence but that would be the wrong word) that not one of the worlds leading economists could see the problem until after it happened?

 

As for what Boris said in 2008 I will give you a quote from a Labour PM in the 1960s and it is just as valid nowadays.

 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/a_week_is_a_long_time_in_politics

 

Usually attributed to British Prime Minister Harold Wilson in the mid-1960s. Also used by (and incorrectly attributed to) Australian PM Gough Whitlam in the 1970s.

 

Nowadays I trust politicians less than I do snake oil salesmen.

[pixelaoffy]

9 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Its been a second rate dump for years. Whole towns and cities such as Telford,  Luton, Bradford are swamped by m****ms. The country is full of jobsworths, touts, bullies rules, regulations,  laws   and PC gone mad. Multiculturalism and Diversity are killing of Britain's distinctive culture. The cops inept and corrupt.  The politicians dreadful. The schools and universities social engineering factories. The NHS is failing as is social care. Gang warfare, criminality, and extreme violence are rising. The continued war on drugs has led to a massive growth in Narco mafias and has led to mistrust of the legal system. The streets are not safe for kids around 4pm and at night older people dont go out anymore.  Many cities have large areas that are no go zones and in such places,  like Telford over 1400 children were groomed,  raped and sold by local gangs for two decades a crime ignored by the police a very common phenomenon in many other cities. The awful nature of modern UK has not been prevented by EU membership. On the contrary EU membership has led to this sorry state of affairs. A second rate, third world Britain.

perfect summation