UK PM Johnson plans to block extension of Brexit transition beyond 2020

[vogie]

16 minutes ago, Denim said:

The recent election was the best chance for the remainers to prove their battle cry that a second referendum would easily overturn the result of the first.

 

How wrong can you be. Instead of a reversal , Brexit has strengthened as a result of the election.

 

Seems like in the end , it is the likes of Steve Coogan et al who are the ignorant ones for not understanding that the electorate still have a sense of fair play and a loathing for patronizing smart alex's.

And even Michael Heseltine has accepted it.

 

[david555]

25 minutes ago, vogie said:

And even Michael Heseltine has accepted it.

 

 

No doubt about that !..... But not with free cherry picking, I can assure you …., and your back garden go become serious smaller I guess ????????????????????????????….

[nauseus]

34 minutes ago, david555 said:

No doubt about that !..... But not with free cherry picking, I can assure you …., and your back garden go become serious smaller I guess ????????????????????????????….

That's a very bold claim. 

[david555]

15 minutes ago, nauseus said:

That's a very bold claim. 

Which one the first or the last or both …?

As I hear Boris does not wish alignment with the E.U. eg. total freedom …. total freedom is ….alone on your own , I think you agree with that ,he start more and more directing to no deal ….. so you know that the E.U. go never accept many things he insist /change /lies or whatever say since he  got that boost election winning , but the winning was in the U.K. …...not on the E.U. continent , now your Boris go play " a home game only" probably 

 

PS: maybe I listened to much to Boris speeches so from their maybe the "bold" ….LOL 

 

Be sure it will end in no deal like he wish all along , the " reasonable Boris" was only a election tactics to win the moderated ones ….smart move I admit ….. but he go get the reckoning from the people later ...

[englishoak]

We are out, deal with it.... 

[melvinmelvin]

23 minutes ago, englishoak said:

We are out, deal with it.... 

 

yeah, the Westminster Pub patrons ayed the BJ May+- deal today

 

you're not out yet, wait and see, ain't prudent to take events for granted in the Bexit circus

 

[melvinmelvin]

 

not sure I fully appreciate this block extension bit

guess this must be done by legal means, ie passing a pol (piece of legislation)

stipulating no extension beyond/after pip pip pip pip

 

but surely the actors that pass such a pol can equally easy revoke it whenever they should fancy so

or pass another pol that overrides it ???

 

[david555]

4 hours ago, englishoak said:

We are out, deal with it.... 

You might get out .....but with no "luggeage" as you might wish...as E.U. gave May  patience as they knew her hands were tied....for Boris they know with his majority all is his own possibillity and responsabillity.....no excuses anymore....????

It gone be a hardball play

 

[david555]

Extraction from PDF attachment:

 

EU diplomats had been informed on Tuesday by the European commission that there 
was no legal basis to agree an extension any later than that date.

 

So 1 July no legal option for Boris or E.U. to ask or grant extension , so his bargaining threatening time cut shorter than up to Dec.2020 ….. what's gone be Boris boy...? ????

Clif edge will hurt U.K more than E.U..pdf

[melvinmelvin]

33 minutes ago, david555 said:

Extraction from PDF attachment:

 

EU diplomats had been informed on Tuesday by the European commission that there 
was no legal basis to agree an extension any later than that date.

 

So 1 July no legal option for Boris or E.U. to ask or grant extension , so his bargaining threatening time cut shorter than up to Dec.2020 ….. what's gone be Boris boy...? ????

Clif edge will hurt U.K more than E.U..pdf 223.64 kB · 1 download

 

get a grip

 

the EU-UK case it decided upon by the Council,

and for this particular matter the Counciul has agreed that decisions will be taken by full-agreement only

 

[david555]

1 minute ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

get a grip

 

the EU-UK case it decided upon by the Council,

and for this particular matter the Counciul has agreed that decisions will be taken by full-agreement only

 

It is part of article , response from E.U. Ursula von der Leyen …. her words ...so , I just mention them ,is in the article 

[melvinmelvin]

von der Leyen is off

 

[vogie]

Talking of Von der Leyen, she has said that the MEP Lib/Dems are very brave, can anyone tell me what act of bravery did they performed besides wearing those stupid inflamatory t shirts.????

 

 

[englishoak]

Vote result in parliament 358 to 234 - a majority of 124 - in favour of the EU (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill. 

 

There is now literally nothing other than a house debate that is formal, its giving 3 days but with that majority nothing will change the fact we ARE leaving now on Jan 31. Stage 2 ( negotiation or relationship ) transition period is after we have left.

 

Just get used to it we ARE leaving on Jan 31 and im a realist . Short of a war.. 

 

Have a happy Brexmas one and all. 

[englishoak]

8 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

von der Leyen is off

 

 

Agreed, stinks of pa laa

[david555]

4 minutes ago, englishoak said:

Vote result in parliament 358 to 234 - a majority of 124 - in favour of the EU (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill. 

 

There is now literally nothing other than a house debate that is formal, its giving 3 days but with that majority nothing will change the fact we ARE leaving now on Jan 31. Stage 2 ( negotiation or relationship ) transition period is after we have left.

 

Just get used to it we ARE leaving on Jan 31 and im a realist . Short of a war.. 

 

Have a happy Brexmas one and all. 

100% right sir , only transition talks …. of comes the white gloves now …, have nice Christmas in "Great Britain Brexit "...????

[Rookiescot]

13 hours ago, billd766 said:

But it was Alex Salmond who quoted that at the time, or doesn't that matter?

 

quote from your post "Double standards again, duplicity all around".

Johnson said "dead in a ditch" but hes still walking around.

Is it only those who you disagree with who should be held to metaphorical account? 

[Rookiescot]

18 hours ago, evadgib said:

All their (remainer) bluster came to nothing.

Last Friday the result was checkmate and it's about time the 'someone elses fault' brigade realized their seasonal goose has been cooked.

I take it the goose voted for being cooked?

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, david555 said:

Which one the first or the last or both …?

As I hear Boris does not wish alignment with the E.U. eg. total freedom …. total freedom is ….alone on your own , I think you agree with that ,he start more and more directing to no deal ….. so you know that the E.U. go never accept many things he insist /change /lies or whatever say since he  got that boost election winning , but the winning was in the U.K. …...not on the E.U. continent , now your Boris go play " a home game only" probably 

 

PS: maybe I listened to much to Boris speeches so from their maybe the "bold" ….LOL 

 

Be sure it will end in no deal like he wish all along , the " reasonable Boris" was only a election tactics to win the moderated ones ….smart move I admit ….. but he go get the reckoning from the people later ...

I must boldy disagree - there will be some version of a deal - I think both sides realise that neither of them can afford not to have one.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, david555 said:

You might get out .....but with no "luggeage" as you might wish...as E.U. gave May  patience as they knew her hands were tied....for Boris they know with his majority all is his own possibillity and responsabillity.....no excuses anymore....????

It gone be a hardball play

 

As long as it's cricket we should do OK.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, david555 said:

Extraction from PDF attachment:

 

EU diplomats had been informed on Tuesday by the European commission that there 
was no legal basis to agree an extension any later than that date.

 

So 1 July no legal option for Boris or E.U. to ask or grant extension , so his bargaining threatening time cut shorter than up to Dec.2020 ….. what's gone be Boris boy...? ????

Clif edge will hurt U.K more than E.U..pdf 223.64 kB · 2 downloads

Please don't use pdf's - they are a pain.

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I must boldy disagree - there will be some version of a deal - I think both sides realise that neither of them can afford not to have one.

Problem is there are so many different views on Brexit within the Conservative party.

ERG want one thing.

Soft Brexiteers want another.

There will still be some who dont want Brexit at all.

So Johnson will end up the same as May and by trying to appease all these groups we will end up crashing out because no-body can agree which version of Brexit the country wants.

 

At that point Brexiteers will all unite and claim its the EU's fault.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, david555 said:

Extraction from PDF attachment:

 

EU diplomats had been informed on Tuesday by the European commission that there 
was no legal basis to agree an extension any later than that date.

 

So 1 July no legal option for Boris or E.U. to ask or grant extension , so his bargaining threatening time cut shorter than up to Dec.2020 ….. what's gone be Boris boy...? ????

Clif edge will hurt U.K more than E.U..pdf 223.64 kB · 2 downloads

They can extend as long as they like,

If both sides do agree.

But Boris hates dither.. and delay

That's plain for all to see.

 

(I'm a poet and I don't know it).  Good morning all.

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Problem is there are so many different views on Brexit within the Conservative party.

ERG want one thing.

Soft Brexiteers want another.

There will still be some who dont want Brexit at all.

So Johnson will end up the same as May and by trying to appease all these groups we will end up crashing out because no-body can agree which version of Brexit the country wants.

 

At that point Brexiteers will all unite and claim its the EU's fault.

I think that you will find that the Tories, in Parliament, at least, are more united after the election. 

[Pattaya46]

1 hour ago, englishoak said:

Just get used to it we ARE leaving on Jan 31 and im a realist . Short of a war.. 

I see you were wise enough to not say of which year... 

[stevenl]

25 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Please don't use pdf's - they are a pain.

Do agree they are a pain, but in some situations a link is required. And if the link information is in a PDF, what is your alternative?

[RuamRudy]

11 hours ago, vogie said:

So are you saying we shouldn't believe what a SNP MP says?

I am saying you shouldn't use weak and flimsy arguments to stand in the way of democracy.

[cleopatra2]

28 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Problem is there are so many different views on Brexit within the Conservative party.

ERG want one thing.

Soft Brexiteers want another.

There will still be some who dont want Brexit at all.

So Johnson will end up the same as May and by trying to appease all these groups we will end up crashing out because no-body can agree which version of Brexit the country wants.

 

At that point Brexiteers will all unite and claim its the EU's fault.

The differences in government are moot.

The WAB allows for the negotations to be conducted in secrecy on the UK part.

With no Parliamentary vote or ratification

[david555]

44 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Please don't use pdf's - they are a pain.

copy pastes take more place , and now you have the choice to avoid your The guardian allergy …many has here, but is the only one besides Sky whiteout a pay wall  , and give access to me in Thailand 

[david555]

26 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I think that you will find that the Tories, in Parliament, at least, are more united after the election. 

that's all about the Brexit was meant  for.....