EU+ ready to open up for 15+ countries, including Thailand

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Europe will allow outsiders to begin entering again on July 1, but the U.S. and Russia are now among the nations considered too risky because they have not controlled the coronavirus outbreak.

 

The full list finalized on Friday includes Algeria, Australia, Canada, Georgia, Japan, Montenegro, Morocco, New Zealand, Rwanda, Serbia, South Korea, Thailand, Tunisia, Uruguay, Andorra, San Marino, Monaco and the Vatican. China will be included if it also opens its borders to European Union travelers, as reciprocal reopening is one of the criteria used to make the final selection for the safe list.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/world/europe/europe-us-travel-ban.html

 

 

[Peter Denis]

Thanks for sharing.

The article does not mention transit-flights. 

When flying with Emirates from Bangkok to my final destination in Europe, there will be a 2-3-4 hour stop-over in Dubai.  Does anybody know whether the E.U.A. is on the list of safe countries?

And if not, whether just passing there in transit would be an obstacle? 

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Read the last paragraph again.

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Is this reciprocity only required for China or did the other countries agree upon too?

[Peter Denis]

9 minutes ago, CLS said:

Is this reciprocity only required for China or did the other countries agree upon too?

Good question! The EU opened its borders for travellers arriving from Thailand, but does Thailand allow travellers from EU to enter Thailand?  And if so, under which conditions.

[Sambotte]

Clear as mud...

What about the risk to not been allowed to make the return, if anything suddenly change ?

Transits ?

Previous travels ? Or based solely on passport ???

What about quarantines ? What if 1 passenger is detected sick after take-off ? All in quarantine ? Nice vacations...

Good luck for traveling like that.

And i am a very eager to travel again, but "normally".

 

Will never work. Tourism will be on "perfusion" with over-complicated rules changing every month, until a vaccine, if it works, or until they find a rapid accurate test and produce it en masse.

 

And that's the only way IMO, strange not many action in this direction ?

Test on departure, good to go, or no-go, period. Big + : will not be affected by some news-panic. And same rule for everyone, anywhere, anytime.

[CorpusChristie]

1 hour ago, Peter Denis said:

Good question! The EU opened its borders for travellers arriving from Thailand, but does Thailand allow travellers from EU to enter Thailand?  And if so, under which conditions.

[sqwakvfr]

Sounds fair to me.  An American who has lived in Thailand for years and has not been back to the US since the pandemic will be barred.  Got it.  

 

But the only real way to deal with imported cases is:  1) COVID 19 test on arrival 2) Quarantine even if the test is negative. 3) Test again at the 8 to 10 day mark.  4) If negative then safe to enter.  

 

The Australian Defense Forces used this method when 200 US Marines came from Okinawa for Military Exercises.  

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4 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

Sounds fair to me.  An American who has lived in Thailand for years and has not been back to the US since the pandemic will be barred.  Got it.  

 

But the only real way to deal with imported cases is:  1) COVID 19 test on arrival 2) Quarantine even if the test is negative. 3) Test again at the 8 to 10 day mark.  4) If negative then safe to enter.  

 

The Australian Defense Forces used this method when 200 US Marines came from Okinawa for Military Exercises.  

I think you got that wrong.

It’s by country, not nationality.

Edited June 27, 2020 by CLS

[yuyiinthesky]

8 hours ago, CLS said:

China will be included if it also opens its borders to European Union travelers, as reciprocal reopening is one of the criteria used to make the final selection for the safe list.

That sounds as if they knew on Friday that Thailand will also - reciprocal - open for Europeans. 

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I wish so. But the article leaves room for interpretation.

Edited June 27, 2020 by CLS

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31 minutes ago, CLS said:

I wish so. But the article leaves room for interpretation.

According to the newspaper we cannot quote, it’s reciprocal for all countries on the list.

[CorpusChristie]

6 minutes ago, CLS said:

According to the newspaper we cannot quote, it’s reciprocal for all countries on the list.

It doesnt read that way , it says Countries on the list would have to agree to reciprocal measures and Thailand has yet to agree to that  

[sezze]

3 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

It doesnt read that way , it says Countries on the list would have to agree to reciprocal measures and Thailand has yet to agree to that  

It states reciprocal opening , not measures . Meaning , the country cannot be denied 1 way . Thailand is opening for foreigners , but measures are in place . Before ( still is ) it was closed 100% .

[CorpusChristie]

1 hour ago, sezze said:

It states reciprocal opening , not measures . Meaning , the country cannot be denied 1 way . Thailand is opening for foreigners , but measures are in place . Before ( still is ) it was closed 100% .

No, Thailand has yet to agree to the offer , they might point blankly refuse the offer 

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21 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

No, Thailand has yet to agree to the offer , they might point blankly refuse the offer 

Nothing is finalized or approved yet.

But one thing is clear. If Thailand wants to remain on the list, they must accept reciprocity and drop the quarantine requirement.

From bubble jabber to free movement.

Edited June 28, 2020 by CLS

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I like the Czech stance.

https://news.expats.cz/weekly-czech-news/czech-republic-to-add-about-10-non-eu-countries-to-list-of-safe-travel-destinations-from-july-1/

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List is officially confirmed.

One-sided agreement without reciprocity.

No links to English websites yet.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53222356

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For Oz and Kiwis:
https://au.news.yahoo.com/european-union-to-open-borders-to-aussie-travellers-213836403.html

[Maestro]

Removed an off-topic post.

[OJAS]

18 hours ago, CLS said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53222356

But beware! To quote from that link:-

 

"The unanimous decision by the European Council is not legally binding, so states can choose not to open up to all those countries."

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57 minutes ago, OJAS said:

But beware! To quote from that link:-

 

"The unanimous decision by the European Council is not legally binding, so states can choose not to open up to all those countries."

This was only the backup link.

The Council’s of Europe decisions has never been legally binding. But anyway it’s being used as guideline.

[vinny41]

On 6/29/2020 at 4:33 AM, CLS said:

Nothing is finalized or approved yet.

But one thing is clear. If Thailand wants to remain on the list, they must accept reciprocity and drop the quarantine requirement.

From bubble jabber to free movement.

No it doesn't you can be open and accept Tourists from the EU and still have quarantine rules in place

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48 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

No it doesn't you can be open and accept Tourists from the EU and still have quarantine rules in place

If you follow EU’s legislation, you know they never accepted one-sided free movement and many EU members pointed out that reciprocity should be mandatory to remain on the list.

But in the end it’s a weighing up of interests and the biggest lobbyist takes it all.

Reciprocity means exactly same rules, not only to be allowed in.