July 20, 20205 yr Popular Post https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53469839 A coronavirus vaccine developed by the University of Oxford appears safe and trains the immune system. Trials involving 1,077 people showed the injection led to them making antibodies and white blood cells that can fight coronavirus. The findings are hugely promising, but it is still too soon to know if this is enough to offer protection and larger trials are under way. The UK has already ordered 100 million doses of the vaccine.
July 20, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, bodga said: its population is only 65million Many vaccines require multiple doses to reach their peak effectiveness.
July 20, 20205 yr Popular Post We have evolved for thousands of years with our biome. Cultivate your innate immune system and it will serve you well. Two many un-answered questions about the current vaccine industrial complex.
July 20, 20205 yr It seems that a lot of people who test positive for the antibodies, yet were not hospitalized, are reporting symptoms months later. They can test the vaccine on other folks and come see me in a year or so when they understand the side effects.
July 21, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, impulse said: It seems that a lot of people who test positive for the antibodies, yet were not hospitalized, are reporting symptoms months later. They can test the vaccine on other folks and come see me in a year or so when they understand the side effects. If people test positive for antibodies right now, that means they have been infected by CoVid-19, so it's possible they can continue to show symptoms some while later although as I understand it, it's mostly those who had severe cases, that experience lingering after-effects. However when people develop antibodies after receiving a vaccination, they have not been infected with the disease, they've simply had their immune system primed to react if they do contract the disease. So it's highly unlikely they would suffer symptoms of a disease they've never had. In the several months since trials began, no serious adverse effects have been experienced by any of the Oxford trial participants.
July 21, 20205 yr Here's a link to the full Lancet article on this: Lancet article on Oxford and CanSino vaccine trials As it states, when it comes to the Oxford vaccine: Quote "Neutralising antibodies were generated in more than 90% of participants." Also, both the Oxford and CanSino vaccines elicited a T-cell response, which is another important component of the immune response. Neither vaccine produced any serious adverse effects, just the usual mild ones you get with any vaccine (slight soreness, mild fever etc).
July 21, 20205 yr A couple of caveats - as pointed out in various reports, it is not known if the level of antibodies produced would be sufficient to actually prevent infection with CoVid-19 (though even if they don't prevent it, they would almost certainly minimize the effects). We would need the results of phase 3 trials (currently ongoing in Brazil and South Africa) to know that. It is also not known how long these antibodies will persist.
July 21, 20205 yr 6 hours ago, impulse said: It seems that a lot of people who test positive for the antibodies, yet were not hospitalized, are reporting symptoms months later. They can test the vaccine on other folks and come see me in a year or so when they understand the side effects. They can come see me in about 40 years or so once they understand the long term side effects and if i am still alive, i would still politely decline????
July 21, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, innosiem said: They can come see me in about 40 years or so once they understand the long term side effects and if i am still alive, i would still politely decline???? If I'm alive in 40 years time, I'll buy beer for everyone on tvf.
July 21, 20205 yr 12 hours ago, bodga said: its population is only 65million The published results show that two doses produced a better immune response than one.
July 21, 20205 yr 57 minutes ago, innosiem said: They can come see me in about 40 years or so once they understand the long term side effects and if i am still alive, i would still politely decline???? I don't believe any currently-used vaccine is implicated in causing long term side effects. In fact if anything, vaccines have the opposite problem. One of the main issues with vaccines is that their effects don't last long enough. In virtually all vaccines, the effects wane over time and in many cases, periodic booster shots are required, precisely because the effects of vaccines usually diminish (and in some cases disappear) with the passage of time.
July 21, 20205 yr 8 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said: I don't believe any currently-used vaccine is implicated in causing long term side effects. In fact if anything, vaccines have the opposite problem. One of the main issues with vaccines is that their effects don't last long enough. In virtually all vaccines, the effects wane over time and in many cases, periodic booster shots are required, precisely because the effects of vaccines usually diminish (and in some cases disappear) with the passage of time. Under normal conditions, I may not disagree. But currently, there's a mad grab for $$$ billions of dollars which will go to the first entity that brings a vaccine to market, tremendous societal and economic pressure to get shops, factories and airplanes up and running, and put people back to work, and a US administration that I have no doubt would pressure the FDA to approve a placebo (or worse) if it enhanced their chances of being re-elected in 3 months. I'm afraid we're going to see a blurring of the lines between good science, financial pressures, societal calm, and election year politics. Hardly instills faith in just about anything I'm seeing from various entities. Sadly, that includes testing results.
July 21, 20205 yr Terrific news. The Asian markets went nuts today and the US S&P500 is up 0.7% already US morning time. People are beginning to believe. Certified vaccinated should mean work and play like its 2019 again. And free and easy travel across borders.
July 21, 20205 yr 11 hours ago, innosiem said: They can come see me in about 40 years or so once they understand the long term side effects and if i am still alive, i would still politely decline???? Antivazer by any chance?
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