Anyone taking testosterone in Thailand. Good or bad reviews?

[Acharn]

16 hours ago, A1Str8 said:

TRT is great but has those side effects yes.

 

If you don't want the sides, here's what you can do: eat more fat. The body makes hormones including test from fat. If more is available it will produce more. Don't eat junk, no alcohol, smoking etc. Those all lower test levels significantly. Don't eat meat or very little. It is well documented that vegetarians have higher test levels. 

Intense daily exercise. It's known to kick hormone production into high gear.

Work hard. On anything. Nothing raises testosterone production as efficiently as the feeling of accomplishment! Whatever you do that makes you feel proud, strong, makes you feel like a man, signals the brain to tell the body to produce more T. 

A couple years ago I read advice to take a tablespoon of cooking oil every morning to improve testosterone production. Our diets, when we're older, tend to be deficient in fats. I've recently come to prefer soy bean oil to the sunflower oil I was eating earlier.

[2 is 1]

1.Loose weight if you are overweight

2.Exersise

3.Eat zinc capsule

4.You get enough D vitamin here from sun but important

5.Don't stress if possible

6.Level going down always if you eat sugar so try avoid sugar

7.Eat magnesium capsule

8.Eat good fat, like nuts etc.

9.Don't use much alcohol, level can go down even for 3 days

 

You can level up your testosterone in natural way! 

Edited July 22, 2020 by 2 is 1

[AAArdvark]

My Thai doctor was injecting me with pellets every 3 months.  It was something like 10K.

[KhaoYai]

Before anyone deliberately raises their testosterone level, they should get checked for prostate cancer - you can have it for years without knowing. Prostate cancer 'feeds' off testosterone - if you increase your level you may be helping the cancer grow.

 

As someone who already has the disease - I would recommend every man over 40 gets checked regularly.

[ianwheldale]

Try to find some Tongkat Ali.

[Bender Rodriguez]

7 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Before anyone deliberately raises their testosterone level, they should get checked for prostate cancer - you can have it for years without knowing. Prostate cancer 'feeds' off testosterone - if you increase your level you may be helping the cancer grow.

 

As someone who already has the disease - I would recommend every man over 40 gets checked regularly.

 

here we go again with the <deleted> ...

 

if MEN would get prostate cancer from testosterone, all YOUNG MALES would have PROSTATE CANCER in their primes

 

prostate cancer is an ESTROGEN overload problem, as you see men age with BIG BELLY = ESTROGEN

 

PSA test is as worthless as women with BREAST CANCER have high PSA levels

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=women+with+BREAST+CANCER+have+high+PSA+levels

[misterphil]

Dont listen to anymore comments on this forum cause nobody has a clue unless they use the HRT like i do. 
 

Been on it for years. I was having trouble at work and unable to think straight and complete simple reports which normally i could do easily and thought this is not me, whats going on? 
 

I went to see a Dr in the Bangkok Pattaya hospital and he asked me a bunch of questions and then at my surprise asked if he could check the condition of my testes. Yes that right, can i look at your balls he said? 
 

So, anyway pants come down and he had a little fondle and said you have Hypogonadism. Basically low testosterone. A blood test was taken and an hour later the results were in and he was right. 
 

I was prescribed the same as you 50mg of Androgel, however its nearly 3 times the cost in a hospital than it is at Fashino. Even cheaper if you order Androforte from Lawley Direct in Australia which i do. https://www.lawleydirect.com.au/products/androforte.php
 

They will need your Testosterone results for them to prescribe. 

Dont be scared of using it. You'll feel brand new after a few days. You will also need your prostate checking every year or so but Im sure they told you this when they prescribed you Androgel. 

[misterphil]

1 hour ago, 2 is 1 said:

1.Loose weight if you are overweight

2.Exersise

3.Eat zinc capsule

4.You get enough D vitamin here from sun but important

5.Don't stress if possible

6.Level going down always if you eat sugar so try avoid sugar

7.Eat magnesium capsule

8.Eat good fat, like nuts etc.

9.Don't use much alcohol, level can go down even for 3 days

 

You can level up your testosterone in natural way! 

Complete garbage!!!

 

If your balls dont work anymore they dont work - end of story. 
 

Hypogonadism cannot be rectified by eating a damn salad. 

[RocketDog]

10 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

I took it for about a year.

It did make some changes and I wanted sex 3 times a day.

But, it was raising my PSA and Hematocrit was way off.

My home country Doctor told me to stop taking it possible risk of stroke or heart attack.

I understand everyone is different some have no side affects.

I suggest get frequent blood checks.

The increased hematocrit is particularly dangerous. Essentially the excess red blood cell count make clot formation easier which can lead to strokes. TRT usually means repeated T level, hematocrit, and PSA tests a until the proper dosage gets dialed in. This by itself can be quite expensive. 

 

Unfortunately the typical treatment is therapeutic phlebotomy every few months, which in the USA must be prescribed by a doctor. You can't just donate blood because with a high crit they won't accept it. In the USA the Red Cross demands $150 for a phlebotomy. 

 

I don't know how much the whole process would cost in LOS. It's expensive in USA because insurance will not cover any of the cost. A PSA  and T level test is over $150 by itself.

 

The injectable drug is actually pretty cheap though. Intramuscular Injectable is considered the most stable therapy as it's assimilation by the body is very predictable.

 

So once the correct dosage is determined it just a matter of injecting it, usually once a week, and doing a check every year. If your crit elevates the phlebotomy every 3-6 months is recommended. Smoking is an additional risk factor to strokes as well. 

[RocketDog]

1 hour ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

 

here we go again with the <deleted> ...

 

if MEN would get prostate cancer from testosterone, all YOUNG MALES would have PROSTATE CANCER in their primes

 

prostate cancer is an ESTROGEN overload problem, as you see men age with BIG BELLY = ESTROGEN

 

PSA test is as worthless as women with BREAST CANCER have high PSA levels

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=women+with+BREAST+CANCER+have+high+PSA+levels

It is well known that estrogen therapy is discontinued in breast cancer patients. 

Not too much of a stretch to believe the same is true for prostate cancer. This is not to say either one CAUSES the cancer, but that it exacerbates it. 

[RocketDog]

1 hour ago, AAArdvark said:

My Thai doctor was injecting me with pellets every 3 months.  It was something like 10K.

That's why doctors often prescribe intramuscular self-injections of testosterone instead. Some folks can't handle the needle though. 

[RocketDog]

2 hours ago, 2 is 1 said:

1.Loose weight if you are overweight

2.Exersise

3.Eat zinc capsule

4.You get enough D vitamin here from sun but important

5.Don't stress if possible

6.Level going down always if you eat sugar so try avoid sugar

7.Eat magnesium capsule

8.Eat good fat, like nuts etc.

9.Don't use much alcohol, level can go down even for 3 days

 

You can level up your testosterone in natural way! 

It's not likely that any of these things will significantly and controllably increase T level.

 

That said, they are all worthy goals for general health. 

[andy72]

6 hours ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

how tall, how many KG and waste size in cm at the biggest point ?

 

do you have man boobs ?  still good erections ?

 

do you have a big "beer" belly ?

 

serious questions

I would be very wary of answering such Questions, especially from anyone named 'Rod'riguez, ???? 

Ah so many amatuer doctors just about the same number of perverts.

Its always interesting how people post half information and the guessing and advice comes out.

If your wary of taking anything or are not ready then get of yer asphiderstra.
explosive exercise is the way to go 
don't kill your self though some short bursts sprint on the spot or move if you wish 

30 seconds 60 seconds whatever you can do.

 

natural supplements can help Fenugreek is a great help as others are there are quite a few in the Indian Hymalaya range that boost the male all herbs though you pay a hefty price for something that costs abot 80 baht you pay maybe 300.

Remember your only as young as the girl you feel ???? 
but try stay within legal marjins PLZ.

Personally I blame low test on WIN 10 & IOS unless your watching a lot of PORNHUB then its contradictory  but since your a twin loader and a virtual viewer its time you and the missus gave up the computer for a wee bit, make her feel younger & you will benefit too ???? 
 

[jadee]

The OP said his

"testosterone reading at the top of the list was in normal range. But the free testosterone was not. It was in the lower range."
This situation is quite common (total T is fine and free T needs to be raised) and HRT can actually lower free T levels. You can naturally boost free T by increasing your intake of boron with things like almonds and avocados.  
Hope this helps

[Tongjaw]

OP, get a second opinion and don’t listen to the many Dr Google’s here. 
Hopefully TV member and Global Moderator “Sheryl”  will see your post and give you some good sound advise. It’s your health so take it seriously. 

Edited July 22, 2020 by Tongjaw

[2 is 1]

2 hours ago, misterphil said:

Complete garbage!!!

 

If your balls dont work anymore they dont work - end of story. 
 

Hypogonadism cannot be rectified by eating a damn salad. 

Hmm good you are leading doctor from this matter! Maybe all other is wrong like all from these artickle!

And im not talking your balls i was talking testosterone!

Hope your get your balls working ,man normaly need it sorry them i have both in one sack. And working fine! 

Edited July 22, 2020 by 2 is 1

[scammed]

no you shouldnt take testosterone, you should take a very small dose of anastrol

and get rid of fat to fix you up

[habuspasha]

3 hours ago, 2 is 1 said:

Hmm good you are leading doctor from this matter! Maybe all other is wrong like all from these artickle!

And im not talking your balls i was talking testosterone!

Hope your get your balls working ,man normaly need it sorry them i have both in one sack. And working fine! 

Thanks for the articles.  Wish I could just copy and paste to get them.  On a more anecdotal level, I have been taking Androderm (brand) patches (4mg each) for over ten years now.  Carried me through my 70s (and my gf in her 30s).  In addition to increased sexual confidence, it has made me feel stronger, happier, and more vital.  I prefer two a day, but even one makes a big difference.  Originally diagnosed with low t and these boost it to normal range (though maybe not normal for my age).  Just get prostate checked every six months.  Also exercise more than I ever did before and dropped belly.  All highly recommended.

[mokwit]

10 hours ago, misterphil said:

I was having trouble at work and unable to think straight and complete simple reports which normally i could do easily and thought this is not me, whats going on? 

misterphil, would be very interested to know how old you were when this happened and Testosterone fixed it (and how old you are now and if it is still fixing it).

[eezergood]

15 hours ago, 2 is 1 said:

1.Loose weight if you are overweight

2.Exersise

3.Eat zinc capsule

4.You get enough D vitamin here from sun but important

5.Don't stress if possible

6.Level going down always if you eat sugar so try avoid sugar

7.Eat magnesium capsule

8.Eat good fat, like nuts etc.

9.Don't use much alcohol, level can go down even for 3 days

 

You can level up your testosterone in natural way! 

The most important one you forgot here is SLEEP!

 

That said, you CAN POTENTIALLY increase your natural levels. This is very much age/genetic dependant 

[seancbk]

20 hours ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

how old are you ?

 

how tall, how many KG and waste size in cm at the biggest point ?

 

do you have man boobs ?  still good erections ?

 

do you have a big "beer" belly ?

 

serious questions

 

 

53

185cm 
74kg

34" waist

No man boobs, no beer belly (I don't drink or smoke)

Noticed my interest in anything sexual has really fallen in the past year or so, but as I haven't had a GF for almost 5 years it hasn't really bothered me.   I was very sexually active previously though and it would be nice to get back there if possible.

[Tagged]

52 minutes ago, seancbk said:

 

53

185cm 
74kg

34" waist

No man boobs, no beer belly (I don't drink or smoke)

Noticed my interest in anything sexual has really fallen in the past year or so, but as I haven't had a GF for almost 5 years it hasn't really bothered me.   I was very sexually active previously though and it would be nice to get back there if possible.

Make a new blood test ! Testosteoron levels can change in days as hours!

 

Are you a depressed state at the moment? 
 

I had also low levels after a life crises, worked it up again.

[Bender Rodriguez]

16 hours ago, RocketDog said:

Unfortunately the typical treatment is therapeutic phlebotomy every few months, which in the USA must be prescribed by a doctor. You can't just donate blood because with a high crit they won't accept it. In the USA the Red Cross demands $150 for a phlebotomy.

there are some youtube videos online, from people who do it at home, themselves

 

 

HARDCORE

 

 

 

[salsajapan]

Go to any gym and look for any still handsome and well built 60+ years old guy, he is taking testo (at least) and knows better than anybody here or any doctor what is good or not.

 

[scammed]

4 hours ago, seancbk said:

 

53

185cm 
74kg

34" waist

No man boobs, no beer belly (I don't drink or smoke)

Noticed my interest in anything sexual has really fallen in the past year or so, but as I haven't had a GF for almost 5 years it hasn't really bothered me.   I was very sexually active previously though and it would be nice to get back there if possible.

a statistician i know made a convincing graph that sex drive falls off at the same rate as your

attraction on the meat market, look at it as a bonus that you arent interested in that which isnt interested in you, natures way of balance for an overall less frustrating end game

[RocketDog]

3 hours ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

there are some youtube videos online, from people who do it at home, themselves

 

 

HARDCORE

 

 

 

Well, technically this is correct, but the video is a simple venipuncture as is done for blood samples. 

 

A therapeutic phlebotomy involves taking a pint or so of blood, exactly like a blood donation, and isn't done in a few seconds. 

 

But with care I suppose one could do it with a transfusion set assuming you had a way to know how much you are taking. Passing out with a tube draining blood is not recommended. ????

 

.......... 

Wow. I just did a search and found a kit to do it. Very interesting. 

https://www.kawasumiamerica.com/product/blood-drawing-kits-safety-kshield-advantage/

 

Still might be a good idea to have a buddy watch or help you. 

 

Probably even better idea is to go to a local hospital here and let them do it! 

????

Edited July 23, 2020 by RocketDog
Addition

[KhaoYai]

On 7/22/2020 at 12:41 PM, Bender Rodriguez said:

 

here we go again with the <deleted> ...

 

if MEN would get prostate cancer from testosterone, all YOUNG MALES would have PROSTATE CANCER in their primes

 

prostate cancer is an ESTROGEN overload problem, as you see men age with BIG BELLY = ESTROGEN

 

PSA test is as worthless as women with BREAST CANCER have high PSA levels

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=women+with+BREAST+CANCER+have+high+PSA+levels

Listen DOCTOR Bender,

 

I did not say that men get prostate cancer from Testosterone - I said the disease feeds on it.  That is why part of the treatment for Prostate Cancer is Hormone Therapy.  Hormone Therapy is used to both help other treatments like Radio Therapy be more effective through shrinking tumours (temporarily) and as a life extending treatment for men where potentially curative treatments have failed.

 

What is your experience or qualification to make such stupid comments? I've been living with the disease for over 5 years.

 

You know better than the world's leading experts then? You know more than the people who have extended my life by 3 years longer than was expected (so far)?

 

I can tell you this DIPSTICK......if I had not had a PSA test, I would be dead now. My doctor sent me for a test because I was waking up for the toilet more than usual.  Unfortunately my treatment has not been entirely succesfull because the disease was too advanced when I was diagnosed.  If I'd had regular PSA screening - my chances of a full cure would have been over 80%. Yes, PSA screening creates some false positives but I'd rather have a false positive than no test at all.  In any case, false positives are confirmed at the next step by a biopsy - they do no harm whatsoever!

 

You have absolutely no right to suggest to anyone that PSA tests are worthless.  I haven't got a clue what women's PSA levels may be - Women don't get Prostate Cancer so its your crazy comment that's worthless.

[Pilotman]

7 hours ago, salsajapan said:

Go to any gym and look for any still handsome and well built 60+ years old guy, he is taking testo (at least) and knows better than anybody here or any doctor what is good or not.

 

BS

[Sheryl]

A flaming post has been removed

[Speedo1968]

On 7/22/2020 at 6:17 PM, 2 is 1 said:

1.Loose weight if you are overweight

2.Exersise

3.Eat zinc capsule

4.You get enough D vitamin here from sun but important

5.Don't stress if possible

6.Level going down always if you eat sugar so try avoid sugar

7.Eat magnesium capsule

8.Eat good fat, like nuts etc.

9.Don't use much alcohol, level can go down even for 3 days

 

You can level up your testosterone in natural way! 

Thank you for mentioning nuts as a good supply of fats.    As a vegan for many years I couldn't agree more.  Ensure that you chew the nuts very well, as with all foods, that way it will benefit you more from the food and help avoid stomach gas.