2 minutes ago, vogie said:

I speak for millions of people across England, Wales and Northern Ireland

maybe that means Scotland is independent and not part of the UK anymore, good move BoJo 555

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

When someone starts their post with "must be mentally challenged" you really don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to morality. 

Why the compulsion to use a misquote to create the distraction, obviously indicates they way you want to read something, context was never a strong point.

If you are going to quote, have the decency to quote correctly.

This is what I said

"Only the mentally challenged would believe it was a democratic vote to leave at any cost."

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

When someone starts their post with "must be mentally challenged" you really don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to morality. 

Are we going out for another spin now Sandy.

I really wouldn't mention the Scots Nasty Party, they are splitting the UK up and not content with that they are also splitting Scotland up, but you'll still have the saltire faces in Glasgow waving their flags declaring England out of Scotland, they believe anything they are told by Mr and Mrs Murrell.

So at the end of the day you still are ignoring the two referendums however you wish to spin it.

I am sick of repeating myself and trying to inform you of the real situation in Scotland.

So lets just go with your narrative. 

Us Scots hate you English. We detest you all with a passion. Every time we see or hear you lot a little bit of sick comes into our mouths.

So why do you want to keep us? 

15 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Why the compulsion to use a misquote to create the distraction, obviously indicates they way you want to read something, context was never a strong point.

If you are going to quote, have the decency to quote correctly.

This is what I said

"Only the mentally challenged would believe it was a democratic vote to leave at any cost."

Same difference Sandy, however you want to spin it, it is a derogative term for someone who wants to leave the EU for other than for economic gain.

And going back to the original post of yours, you stated that you are not "ignoring anything", so are you in agreement with the result of the Scots Referendum or the EU Referendum, if you answer 'no' to either or both you are ignoring the result, would that be a fair assumption Sandy?

16 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

I am sick of repeating myself and trying to inform you of the real situation in Scotland.

So lets just go with your narrative. 

Us Scots hate you English. We detest you all with a passion. Every time we see or hear you lot a little bit of sick comes into our mouths.

So why do you want to keep us? 

It is about time you admitted it, been a long time coming, but I respect your honesty.

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

It is about time you admitted it, been a long time coming, but I respect your honesty.

So why are you so desperate to keep us?

29 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Us Scots hate you English. We detest you all with a passion. Every time we see or hear you lot a little bit of sick comes into our mouths.

 

Odd......that's how I feel....and I am English????

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

Odd......that's how I feel....and I am English????

Sorry mate. No exceptions. ????

Vogie has his finger on the pulse of Scotland. He knows whats really going on. 

1 hour ago, david555 said:

Clean your U.K. mirror , as your English part  can't see yourself is doing that ????

Eh..........????...............????

12 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

So why are you so desperate to keep us?

We are not desperate to keep "us" but we would like to keep the Scots that are not under the spell of Mr and Mrs Murrell. The Orkneys and the Shetland Isles don't want "us" either and there may be more to follow. Deep in your heart rookie you must realise that things are not really going to plan, I sure the splitting of Scotland was not part of your game plan.

49 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

maybe that means Scotland is independent and not part of the UK anymore, good move BoJo 555

Why is it a good move...?

41 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

I am sick of repeating myself and trying to inform you of the real situation in Scotland.

So lets just go with your narrative. 

Us Scots hate you English. We detest you all with a passion. Every time we see or hear you lot a little bit of sick comes into our mouths.

So why do you want to keep us? 

To educate perhaps, Sturgeon has messed that area up, and the Romans just gave up....????

A reminder from all those remainers and those non Brits who keep telling us we were influenced by how we voted. Well this one has been cleared and like most remainers rants they were talking a load of rollocks

 

Data firm Cambridge Analytica cleared of trying to sway Brexit referendum

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/johnson-ready-to-make-concessions-to-eu-says-official-zqmlf5r9vhttps:/

 

It seems the Times has messed up their links and headlines but this is the correct one.

Just now, vogie said:

We are not desperate to keep "us" but we would like to keep the Scots that are not under the spell of Mr and Mrs Murrell. The Orkneys and the Shetland Isles don't want "us" either and there may be more to follow. Deep in your heart rookie you must realise that things are not really going to plan, I sure the splitting of Scotland was not part of your game plan.

Absolute nonsense.

The unionists are now a minority in Scotland. Polls show 55% in favour of independence and only 45% want to remain in the union.

The Orkney and Shetland islands want to explore more autonomy NOT independence. And even if, by some miracle, they decided to go independent or remain in the UK they would be an enclave. Entitled to fish and oil within 6 miles of their coastline and thats it. Just as the Isle Of Man is entitled to the same 6 miles. 

At no time has there been popular support for independence on the islands and there is still not.

But you knew this stuff already because this must be the 5th or 6th time it has been explained to you.

Next week you will post the same garbage. Hoping that if you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth.

Exactly the same with your lies about the Scots hating the English.

16 hours ago, Phulublub said:

Unable even to read and comprehend the full sentence even while quoting it I see.   "Why don't you...." is a question, not a command,

 

Because he was the start of this nonsense, even though he was rejected the first timehe tried...seemingly something you are unable to bring yourself to acknowledge.  Difficult to juggle things when you are trying to argue opposite sides at the same time

 

They are?  You see, that is what we are trying to establish - what, exactly is this "will of the people".  If we can find out what it was people who voted leave actually voted for, then we might be able to make progress.  (and no "to Leave" is not an answer to the question).

 

PH

I am a bit confused with your use of the word "we".

 

Which "we" are you talking about?

 

I am nothing to do with your "we" as I managed to make my own mind up in time for the referendum without your help or that of Rookiescot or any of the Remainers.

 

I decided to vote leave at the referendum, and even the General Election didn't change my vote. 

 

I expect that you, Rookiescot et did the same as me but voted to remain. Good for you.

 

Nothing changed your vote from Remain to Leave, so why are you all banging on trying to get the referendum and the election vote changed.

 

You had at last 2 opportunities to win as did the Leavers. They won both votes and the Remainers lost both times. So why do you want the free votes of the UK voters replaced so that you won?

(As if some did not saw this coming already ….with the blond dictator  and C.???? )

 

 

Brexit strategy risks UK 'dictatorship', says ex-president of supreme court 
Lord Neuberger condemns internal market bill for exempting some of its powers from legal challenge 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/oct/07/brexit-strategy-puts-uk-on-slippery-slope-to-tyranny-lawyers-told

Owen Bowcott Legal affairs correspondent
 @owenbowcott 
Wed 7 Oct 2020 22.49 BST 

 

The government’s Brexit strategy is in danger of driving the UK down a “very slippery slope” towards “dictatorship” or “tyranny”, according to a former president of the supreme court.

Addressing an online meeting of lawyers, Lord Neuberger on Wednesday evening condemned the internal market bill, which enables the government to breach international law and exempts some of its powers from legal challenge.

 

“Once you deprive people of the right to go to court to challenge the government, you are in a dictatorship, you are in a tyranny,” Neuberger told the webinar. “The right of litigants to go to court to protect their rights and ensure that the government complies with its legal obligation is fundamental to any system … You could be going down a very slippery slope.”

4 hours ago, luckyluke said:

I am agree with you, wanting the same fishing right as before is out of the question.  On the other hand the U.K. wanting the same conditions, if not better, than a member of the E.U. is unworkable for the E.U..  But everything is possible, like I mentioned before, all depends what is proposed in  lieu of.   As to pretend that it is always the other who doesn't want something, and is in fault; I don't buy this. 

That's a mantra from radicals, and there are always ones on each side. 

 

I like your posts because you don't jump up and down, shouting and ranting like many Remainers and your posts are sensible and readable. You look at both sides of a question or a post and then make a sensible reply. You don't keep beating the Ramainers drum which has the same old sad tune.

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

(As if some did not saw this coming already ….with the blond dictator  and C.???? )

 

 

Brexit strategy risks UK 'dictatorship', says ex-president of supreme court 
Lord Neuberger condemns internal market bill for exempting some of its powers from legal challenge 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/oct/07/brexit-strategy-puts-uk-on-slippery-slope-to-tyranny-lawyers-told

Owen Bowcott Legal affairs correspondent
 @owenbowcott 
Wed 7 Oct 2020 22.49 BST 

 

The government’s Brexit strategy is in danger of driving the UK down a “very slippery slope” towards “dictatorship” or “tyranny”, according to a former president of the supreme court.

Addressing an online meeting of lawyers, Lord Neuberger on Wednesday evening condemned the internal market bill, which enables the government to breach international law and exempts some of its powers from legal challenge.

 

“Once you deprive people of the right to go to court to challenge the government, you are in a dictatorship, you are in a tyranny,” Neuberger told the webinar. “The right of litigants to go to court to protect their rights and ensure that the government complies with its legal obligation is fundamental to any system … You could be going down a very slippery slope.”

Keep trying......????

Nah ! .... don't worry Transam & brexiteers .... this is only a ex supreme court judge ….what do they know about democracy or laws....???? such unimportant people ….????

????

 

4 hours ago, luckyluke said:

I encounter this :

 

 

"With 383 votes in favour, the European Parliament elected Ursula von der Leyen President of the next European Commission in a secret ballot on 16 July.

She is set to take office on 1 November 2019 for a five-year term. There were 733 votes cast, one of which was not valid. 383 members voted in favour, 327 against, and 22 abstained.

 

It seems Mrs. von der Leyen isn't that popular. 

327 on 733 voted against her. 

 

Something  nearly similar to the Brexit vote. 

 

Not really. She was a choice of one.

Just now, david555 said:

Nah ! .... don't worry brexiteers .... this is only a ex supreme court judge ….what do they know about democracy or laws....???? such unimportant people ….????

????

 

Perhaps being an ex.....................????.........????

Hey, has your Euro cash parachute landed yet...????

3 hours ago, Victornoir said:

Finally a good Brexiter analysis.

Yes, Macron wants a no-deal divorce. The problem of a few fishing companies based in Dunkirk and Boulogne is a lure to block any progress.

Macron the former banker knows how to count. He will willingly sacrifice some subsidized fisheries for the benefit of the automotive market and part of highly profitable financial services.

He won't willing sacrifice votes though. Next French lottery in 2022. 

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Absolute nonsense.

The unionists are now a minority in Scotland. Polls show 55% in favour of independence and only 45% want to remain in the union.

The Orkney and Shetland islands want to explore more autonomy NOT independence. And even if, by some miracle, they decided to go independent or remain in the UK they would be an enclave. Entitled to fish and oil within 6 miles of their coastline and thats it. Just as the Isle Of Man is entitled to the same 6 miles. 

At no time has there been popular support for independence on the islands and there is still not.

But you knew this stuff already because this must be the 5th or 6th time it has been explained to you.

Next week you will post the same garbage. Hoping that if you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth.

Exactly the same with your lies about the Scots hating the English.

Your hate is warping your claims, forecasts and hopes.

Just now, transam said:

Perhaps being an ex.....................????.........????

Hey, has your Euro cash parachute landed yet...????

About that parachute  I explained that already once before when came TH. 47.40 to € was the rate I exchanged a big load  ,and 6 months after the descend of Brexit made the start our both currency's went down , then I made that avatar , lucky the € load that time made it good for me    , and for now i did not needed already 4 years no transfers , as I put condo buying on stop for this Thailand so no crying for exchange rates as some others in need of transferring ..????

 

My € may stay low for me personally as all my Thai bath shall not be finished by 2022 so a few € on top would be a welcome Thai gift ….., but I understand this Is personally , against other expat interests

 

My pension stays already4 years Euroland waiting for me in 2022 back home country ????

Hope You O.K. too  ... ?

4 minutes ago, david555 said:

About that parachute  I explained that already once before when came TH. 47.40 to € was the rate I exchanged a big load  ,and 6 months after the descend of Brexit made the start our both currency's went down , then I made that avatar , lucky the € load that time made it good for me    , and for now i did not needed already 4 years no transfers , as I put condo buying on stop for this Thailand so no crying for exchange rates as some others in need of transferring ..????

 

My € may stay low for me personally as all my Thai bath shall not be finished by 2022 so a few € on top would be a welcome Thai gift ….., but I understand this Is personally , against other expat interests

 

My pension stays already4 years Euroland waiting for me in 2022 back home country ????

Hope You O.K. too  ... ?

I am sure we are all impressed......

12 minutes ago, transam said:

I am sure we are all impressed......

You asked about my parachute avatar …. so I gave you the explaining ,

I know you would like  twist it in other direction ( hence the explaining ????…)

as you always bring E.U. tax  coming to us Europeans in topic , as if your trillion debt country go let you Brits  all of the hook you think ….????

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

You asked about my parachute avatar …. so I gave you the explaining ,

I know you would like  twist it in other direction { hence the explaining …)

as you always bring E.U. tax  coming tus Europeans in topic , as if your trillion debt country go let you Brits  all of the hook you think ….????

Sorry, don't understand that, you could try again but it's not necessary....

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

I am a bit confused with your use of the word "we".

 

Which "we" are you talking about?

 

I am nothing to do with your "we" as I managed to make my own mind up in time for the referendum without your help or that of Rookiescot or any of the Remainers.

 

I decided to vote leave at the referendum, and even the General Election didn't change my vote. 

 

I expect that you, Rookiescot et did the same as me but voted to remain. Good for you.

 

Nothing changed your vote from Remain to Leave, so why are you all banging on trying to get the referendum and the election vote changed.

 

You had at last 2 opportunities to win as did the Leavers. They won both votes and the Remainers lost both times. So why do you want the free votes of the UK voters replaced so that you won?

Nowhere in my post you refer to do I say we should replace the vtes so I won.  I am asking the Leavers what is was they voted for to try and help my understnding of their thought processes and what the hoped to get (other than "out" which is as meaningless as "Brexit means Brexit").    It would aid my understanding also if Leavers would be willing to openly share what downsides they thought possoble and acceptable, and whether, four years on, they think they will get some, all or none (part from leaving) of what they wanted.

 

If you (or anyone) did not consider the economic consequences, potentially with higher unemployment, higer prices, more difficult travel and a host of other possible downsides, then do you now?  Would you ever?  Or is any cost worth paying to leave the EU?

 

PH

33 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Not really. She was a choice of one.

According to the results, she could have easily lost.

There would than have being the need to present another candidate.

Who again could win or lose, and so on, till a majority is obtained.

Once again the majority she obtained is a poor one, but enough according to the democratic rules.

 

 

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

A valid perspective. 

If attempts to prevent undesirable development have failed, shouldn't you have the option to sell up and move away.

I presume you are referring to the Scottish independence movement.

 

That is a totally different matter, nothing to do with the topic, and one on which I am anyway somewhat ambivalent!