Nearly 80% of Americans say Biden won White House, ignoring Trump's refusal to concede: Reuters/Ipsos poll

[n00dle]

5 hours ago, Salerno said:

 

It's one of the strangest issues of the US process to me.

 

Why should the Republicans get all 29 electoral votes available from Florida given the chunk of Democrat counties? In the same vein, why should the Democrats get all 55 electoral votes available from California given the chunk of Republican counties?

  

 

Doesn't seem a fair process reflecting the wishes of the people to me.

You seem to be ignoring that where the democrats have won in those states is where the majority of the people are.

 

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by n00dle

[wwest5829]

18 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Church bells in Paris and celebratory fireworks in London, Scotland and Berlin. Never had election victories celebrated in such fine form all over the world or perhaps a celebration of relief for a much hated and unpopular man. 

Sorry, Eric. This has been shown to be false. I do agree we are receiving messages of congratulations at the removal of The Donald and his ilk.

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5 minutes ago, n00dle said:

You seem to be ignoring that where the democrats have won in those states is where the majority of the people are.

?????

[n00dle]

13 hours ago, DavisH said:

I'm still astounded that the cult od personality still managed to garner 70M votes. Dumb****istan is alive and well. it seems. 

This is the actual issue. No matter how you slice it, nearly 50 percent of americans are morons.

Edited November 12, 2020 by n00dle

[Opl]

Just 4 People Show Up For Pro-Trump “Stop The Steal” Rally

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/11/11/4-people-stop-the-steal-rally.html

[n00dle]

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

?????

Excellent point.

[Salerno]

15 minutes ago, n00dle said:

You seem to be ignoring that where the democrats have won in those states is where the majority of the people are.

 

And?

[wwest5829]

16 hours ago, Masterton said:

 

Why would the Trump administration start a provisional transfer of power when the election is not even over yet ?? Biden has not been certified victory of any states, What an absurd thing to say. In any event, Trump is still president for another 2 months, he is not obligated to start a provisional transfer of anything.

So, help me to understand. No administration transitions are started in the USA until the states certify their vote counts? Perhaps not until the Electoral College meets and its vote made official?

[wwest5829]

16 hours ago, Masterton said:

 

No, as I said before I am not debating it with you any further because you just deflect and ignore any points raised that contradict your narrative . The SC issue is a moot point due to the fact the wording of the constitution is clear and unambiguous and therefore should be an open and shut case. It is not "a take on the constitution", it IS the constitution. 

 

I notice you have not provided a response to my previous question though. If you lot are all so sure Biden won fairly and squarely then why are you not welcoming the opportunity to prove it in court and in recounts etc ??  Interesting... 

 

 

Is the Trump Administration continuing to bring court cases? = yes (and being rejected by the courts for lack of evidence). Are recounts proceeding according to state election law? = yes. There is not grounds for a recount unless to meets the requirements set by the state. You do not just get to decide to demand a recount if the requirements are not met.

[Silurian]

I wonder why the rest of the news outlets won't call Arizona for Biden. They all called Alaska for Donald even though in Arizona Donald has a higher bar to reach.

 

Election 2020 results

 

[n00dle]

18 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

And?

Correct.

[Salerno]

1 minute ago, n00dle said:

Correct.

 

So in other words, you can't explain the pointless point you where alluding to?

[n00dle]

2 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

So in other words, you can't explain the pointless point you where alluding to?

No more than you can ask a specific question. Life is far too short to explain the obvious.

[wwest5829]

13 hours ago, DavisH said:

I'm still astounded that the cult od personality still managed to garner 70M votes. Dumb****istan is alive and well. it seems. 

While I am happy to see Biden elected (even as a Bernie supporter), this is the greater concern. As an American with DNA going back before the founding and an M.A.+ in History/Education, facing the fact that 70 million+ Americans voted in support of The Donald and his ilk is devastating. Never mind the "win", with this many Americans denouncing all that I believe in as American ideals ... I have lost my country. I am left unable to support nor defend such a country ... and a country is only that as reflected by its citizens. Sad ... to witness the loss of the founders hope and promise that citizens are capable of governing themselves.

[polpott]

7 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Sad ... to witness the loss of the founders hope and promise that citizens are capable of governing themselves.

Its the great flaw in the American system of democracy in the modern world, it just doesn't work any more. Central government is the only way forward. Amply illustrated by the pandemic response which should have been rolled out to all states from a single central body not allowing each state to go its own way. That's why there are so many infections and deaths in the US.

 

Another is the voting system. All states have their own electoral laws creating challenges and chaos everywhere. Also when electing the president of the United States, you are electing a single person representing all states equally. The electoral college system makes a nonsense of this. In a democracy its one person, one vote and the person with the highest number of votes becomes president.

 

Welcome to the 21st century.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Berkshire said:

"evidence/proof already (allegedly) collected by the Trump lawyers" 

That's just funny.  These lawyers are getting creamed in the courts because they do not in fact have any real evidence.  It's one thing to make allegations of voter fraud.  It's another thing to try and prove it in court.  That's why every single case so far has been thrown out.  

 

[By now, it’s well-established that most of the arguments put forward by President Trump’s reelection campaign in its challenge of the results of the 2020 election are baseless and highly speculative. Even Trump allies, as The Washington Post reported late Tuesday, acknowledge the apparent futility of the effort.]

[The common thread running through all of these (court cases) is that Trump’s lawyers are regularly offering a significantly more watered-down version of Trump’s claims about rampant voter fraud — because they, unlike Trump, have to substantiate their claims. And as these exchanges show, it’s a rather thankless task that can quickly land them on a judge’s bad side.]

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-lawyers-suffer-embarrassing-rebukes-from-judges-over-voter-fraud-claims/ar-BB1aUUWm

 

I understand in one case the judge was scathing to a Trump lawyer attempting to introduce hearsay as evidence. Even a first year law student knows that is a no-no.

[Lacessit]

25 minutes ago, polpott said:

Its the great flaw in the American system of democracy in the modern world, it just doesn't work any more. Central government is the only way forward. Amply illustrated by the pandemic response which should have been rolled out to all states from a single central body not allowing each state to go its own way. That's why there are so many infections and deaths in the US.

 

Another is the voting system. All states have their own electoral laws creating challenges and chaos everywhere. Also when electing the president of the United States, you are electing a single person representing all states equally. The electoral college system makes a nonsense of this. In a democracy its one person, one vote and the person with the highest number of votes becomes president.

 

Welcome to the 21st century.

You're being logical, which makes as much sense in the USA as it does in Thailand.

[Phoenix Rising]

Biden's Pennsylvania lead is now big enough to avoid an automatic recount

 

"If one candidate wins an election in Pennsylvania by a 0.5 percent margin or lower, the state will recount the ballots, regardless of whether a request is made. But with new ballots in from Allegheny County, which is home to Pittsburgh, Biden is now up by 0.74 percent."

[cdemundo]

On 11/10/2020 at 8:53 PM, Neeranam said:

Has there been a case of a candidate beating a 'non-incumbent' president?

Presidents more often than not win a second term.  That is the point he is making I think. 

[Masterton]

19 hours ago, Scott said:

Please provide us with links to the evidence/proof from a credible source.

 

My info comes straight from the horses mouth, the Trump legal team filing the cases. Or is that source not "credible" enough ? I have also included a clip of former judge and independent counsel Ken Starr weighing in on the Pennsylvania constitutional issue as some posters on the forum seem to think they know more than he does. The Democrat media is promoting a false narrative that there is "no evidence" but they actively censor anyone who is willing to come on and present it. Strange that.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zWufjEbzjY - Penn. & Mich. still in Play for Trump says Rudy Giuliani Part 1 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1k05pyx75k - Penn. & Mich. still in Play for Trump says Rudy Giuliani Part 2

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xurB9TiCWE - Giuliani presents evidence for Trump's legal battle

 

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6208240789001 - Starr: Pennsylvania mail-in ballot deadline extension a 'constitutional travesty'

[Silurian]

I wouldn't normally post anything about Karl Rove (not a favorite of mine), but even Karl has stated that Biden has won the election and that the final result won't be overturned.

 

Karl Rove acknowledges presidential election 'won't be overturned'

 

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Karl Rove, the architect of former President George W. Bush's gubernatorial and presidential campaigns, acknowledged Wednesday that the 2020 presidential election will not be overturned regardless of the flurry of lawsuits from President Donald Trump challenging the results.

Rove -- who sources said advised the White House and Trump campaign leading up to the 2020 election -- wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed that while the President is within his right to challenge the results, his efforts "are unlikely to move a single state from Mr. Biden's column, and certainly they're not enough to change the final outcome."

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by Silurian

[Silurian]

8 minutes ago, Masterton said:

 

My info comes straight from the horses mouth, the Trump legal team filing the cases. Or is that source not "credible" enough ? I have also included a clip of former judge and independent counsel Ken Starr weighing in on the Pennsylvania constitutional issue as some posters on the forum seem to think they know more than he does. The Democrat media is promoting a false narrative that there is "no evidence" but they actively censor anyone who is willing to come on and present it. Strange that.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zWufjEbzjY - Penn. & Mich. still in Play for Trump says Rudy Giuliani Part 1 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1k05pyx75k - Penn. & Mich. still in Play for Trump says Rudy Giuliani Part 2

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xurB9TiCWE - Giuliani presents evidence for Trump's legal battle

 

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6208240789001 - Starr: Pennsylvania mail-in ballot deadline extension a 'constitutional travesty'

 

You actually think anything Giuliani says is credible?! Yeah, straight from the Four Seasons Total Landscaping. ????

 

[ExpatOK]

5 hours ago, polpott said:

Its the great flaw in the American system of democracy in the modern world, it just doesn't work any more. Central government is the only way forward. Amply illustrated by the pandemic response which should have been rolled out to all states from a single central body not allowing each state to go its own way. That's why there are so many infections and deaths in the US.

 

Another is the voting system. All states have their own electoral laws creating challenges and chaos everywhere. Also when electing the president of the United States, you are electing a single person representing all states equally. The electoral college system makes a nonsense of this. In a democracy its one person, one vote and the person with the highest number of votes becomes president.

 

Welcome to the 21st century.

The pandemic started in a country with central government.

[polpott]

8 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

The pandemic started in a country with central government.

Which quickly got it under control.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Masterton said:

 

My info comes straight from the horses mouth, the Trump legal team filing the cases. Or is that source not "credible" enough ? I have also included a clip of former judge and independent counsel Ken Starr weighing in on the Pennsylvania constitutional issue as some posters on the forum seem to think they know more than he does. The Democrat media is promoting a false narrative that there is "no evidence" but they actively censor anyone who is willing to come on and present it. Strange that.

 

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6208240789001 - Starr: Pennsylvania mail-in ballot deadline extension a 'constitutional travesty'

As many have indicated, the ruling as mentioned in this link will most likely be overturned. Not many votes in it, so no effect on me the result.

I have deleted your other links, giuliani's youtube is not a reliable source.

Edited November 12, 2020 by stevenl

[Silurian]

Ah, the Drudge Report, which previously shilled for Donald, has done a full reversal and acknowledges that Biden has won the election. It is pretty bad when even previous MAGA news sites have turned on their beloved leader.

 

Drudge Report, a Former Trump Ally, Looks to Biden

 

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“YOU’RE FIRED!” Drudge Report blared in a headline within minutes of CNN’s calling the election for Joseph R. Biden Jr. on Saturday. For nearly 24 hours afterward, that headline remained at the top of the site. In addition, a screenshot of the Drudge Report main page, with the “YOU’RE FIRED!” headline, has been the only tweet on the @DRUDGE Twitter account since Saturday.

 

[Silurian]

You can also add Pastor Robert Jefferies, one of Donald's earliest supporters, to the list of expanding previous MAGA people stating that Biden is now the president-elect.

 

Pastor Robert Jeffress, staunch Trump evangelical supporter, calls Biden president-elect

 

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“When Joe Biden becomes president, we should commend him for the things he does right,” Jeffress wrote. “We should condemn the things he does wrong. And above all, we must pray fervently for our president. If President Biden succeeds, we all succeed. May God bless Joe Biden, and may God bless the United States of America.”

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, Masterton said:

 

My info comes straight from the horses mouth, the Trump legal team filing the cases. Or is that source not "credible" enough ? I have also included a clip of former judge and independent counsel Ken Starr weighing in on the Pennsylvania constitutional issue as some posters on the forum seem to think they know more than he does. The Democrat media is promoting a false narrative that there is "no evidence" but they actively censor anyone who is willing to come on and present it. Strange that.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zWufjEbzjY - Penn. & Mich. still in Play for Trump says Rudy Giuliani Part 1 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1k05pyx75k - Penn. & Mich. still in Play for Trump says Rudy Giuliani Part 2

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xurB9TiCWE - Giuliani presents evidence for Trump's legal battle

 

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6208240789001 - Starr: Pennsylvania mail-in ballot deadline extension a 'constitutional travesty'

Rudy Giuliani, lol! Not a very credible guy!

Ken Star: the lawyer who helped Eptein negotiate a scandalous deal,

Most importantly, none of them is a specialist of electoral issues.

On top of it, there are videos, not evidence.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Masterton said:

 

My info comes straight from the horses mouth, the Trump legal team filing the cases. Or is that source not "credible" enough ? I have also included a clip of former judge and independent counsel Ken Starr weighing in on the Pennsylvania constitutional issue as some posters on the forum seem to think they know more than he does. The Democrat media is promoting a false narrative that there is "no evidence" but they actively censor anyone who is willing to come on and present it. Strange that.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zWufjEbzjY - Penn. & Mich. still in Play for Trump says Rudy Giuliani Part 1 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1k05pyx75k - Penn. & Mich. still in Play for Trump says Rudy Giuliani Part 2

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xurB9TiCWE - Giuliani presents evidence for Trump's legal battle

 

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6208240789001 - Starr: Pennsylvania mail-in ballot deadline extension a 'constitutional travesty'

Rudy Giuliani has no credibility whatsoever. 

[Jingthing]

8 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

So, help me to understand. No administration transitions are started in the USA until the states certify their vote counts? Perhaps not until the Electoral College meets and its vote made official?

Incorrect. They almost always start much, much earlier.