High-income tourists to return next year despite K-shaped recovery: TDRI

[natway09]

Why would anyone go to Bali ? It is riddled with Covid 

[NightSky]

High income people with any sense are preparing to buy up assets below true value in fair game countries when the smelly stuff hits the covid fan

 

Access to assets located in Thailand are reserved for thai elites by the thai elites

 

why would any wealthy person with any sense spend longer than a couple weeks on an all inclusive island resort.

Edited November 28, 2020 by NightSky

[RickBradford]

21 hours ago, webfact said:

He prescribed three ways to improve the Thai government’s efficiency – eradicating corruption, reforming laws and regulations, and improving government services.

Thailand has a cargo cult government, which thinks that if it orders its bureaucrats to develop plans for some sort of progress, that progress will magically happen.

 

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult)

Edited November 28, 2020 by RickBradford
Link added

[Neeranam]

21 hours ago, johng said:

 

This has resulted in 1%  ( 5 families) owning about 70%  of Thailand's wealth !!

So there are only 500 families in Thailand?

[Mavideol]

21 hours ago, webfact said:

He prescribed three ways to improve the Thai government’s efficiency – eradicating corruption, reforming laws and regulations, and improving government services.

he's incorrect and missed the 4th way,.... eradicate/remove/get rid of current government is the 1st step to any potential improvement, once that is achieved the next 3 steps should be easy to follow

[Neeranam]

Anyone know when the quarantine ends for Thais coming back into the country?

[androokery]

1 hour ago, Rancid said:

Often the wealthy are also reasonably well educated or have access to insider knowledge. Even the CDC has stated that these vaccines seem to knock people around quite a lot, in fact they are for most far worse than the virus. Likewise it will take quite a while for the side effects, particularly on the immune system to become apparent. Then toss in the company studies are not peer reviewed, the best results published have been in the strongest younger age groups, the older group reactions haven't been released.

 

As such I would expect these high earners to avoid the vaccine like the plague, they will wait and see what happens in the longer term to the serfs before getting jabbed. These people love their money and being able to spend it, they wont take any chances with their health.

 

3 billion vaccines? Do the math on the profits to be made and then one can understand why there is such a massive media and government push for it.

Spreading these kinds of unsubstantiated theories isn’t really helping. 

[Percy P]

21 hours ago, welshguy said:

“The arrival of vaccines will enable Thailand and other countries to open for tourism. We calculate the first group of tourists to visit Thailand will be high-earners, as they will be among the first to obtain the vaccine commercially,” he added.

 

It will be free in the U.K. (and most other countries I imagine)...Yet more drivel ...from people who should know better!

 

These "experts" just spout of any old tosh that comes into their heads, plucking figures out of the air it seems.

 

Obsessed with "high income tourists" etc....when this is all over ...they should be grateful for ANY tourism..............of course they wont....This just goes on and on like a never ending circle...Another day? More drive,l more nonsense and more made up "figures! of how much tourists are going to plough into Thailand...............Yeah right!

But the wealthy people have already spent their money  by booking their holiday venture in the country where they live .Little is spent on Thailand . There's no overnight your , eating outside the hotel . There's no need to as everything has been pre paid for. 

[Percy P]

1 minute ago, Percy P said:

But the wealthy people have already spent their money  by booking their holiday venture in the country where they live .Little is spent on Thailand . There's no overnight tour , eating outside the hotel . There's no need to as everything has been pre paid for.

It's ordinary tourists who are supporting the Thai people  not the rich. 

 

[spidermike007]

No, no, no no. Very few high end tourists were coming to Thailand, prior to Covid. Very small numbers. Far fewer than in the past. 

 

They say they want rich tourists. What sacrifices are the ministers willing to make, to get them? Rich tourists like to spend money when they travel. And they cannot do that here, as they do not like getting taken for a ride. Most wealthy people are smart with their money. Thailand could be making a fortune on a 25% luxury tax. Instead of the 100% or more, which discourages most people from buying. How many people do you see in the luxury stores here? They are almost always completely empty. Beyond insane.

 

Are they addressing critical issues, like the air and water quality, traffic safety, public transportation on the southern islands, rapid rail transport, and the lack of law enforcement? No. Nothing, and I mean less than zero is being done.

So, as a result of this gross negligence, they are only able to attract primarily lower to middle income Indian and Chinese tourists. The Western tourists have abandoned Thailand for the most part. A fraction of the number that used to come here, return. 

Quantity over quality is never a good thing, unless you are selling one dollar items at a swap meet. It just lowers the quality of the experience for all.

This is an emergency situation. It needs to be dealt with, and it needs a high degree of intelligence and competence. Not something Prayuth or Pipat possess. 

 

You know what they say about putting all of your eggs in one basket? I have been warning of the dangers of becoming too dependent on China for years. Now, after you have made your bed, you get to sleep in it. You have alienated all tourists but Indians and Chinese. Westerners are not coming here anymore for a dozen very good reasons. You insulted us. You demeaned us. You accused us of being evil, and you accused us of being criminals. You mounted campaigns touting us as bad for the nation. You demonstrated deplorable amounts of racism and xenophobia, and fear of the outside world.  And now you want us to come back? Really? How soon you forget. Sorry, but we have not forgotten what was done and said. What we have forgotten is the nation named Thailand. There are too many alternatives now, and they are not only trying harder, they actually have competent people in charge! Surprise!

 

Sorry to say, but the high spending tourists are lost for good. They WILL NOT come back. And places like Pattaya, Phuket and Samui will continue to go downhill. So, the goons at the TAT continue to pursue ever higher numbers, regardless of the noxious air, unbelievable congestion on the roads, and woeful service at the airports, that the policy of higher numbers only exacerbates. 

 

On top of all of that, you cannot accurately predict anything post Covid. A worldwide deliberate economic shutdown is unprecedented. Nobody can say they know how we will emerge from that. Long haul flights? Crowded airports? 

Edited November 28, 2020 by spidermike007

[Neeranam]

18 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

You insulted us. You demeaned us. You accused us of being evil, and you accused us of being criminals. You mounted campaigns touting us as bad for the nation. You demonstrated deplorable amounts of racism and xenophobia, and fear of the outside world.

Wow, they'll be saying we're all paranoid and sensitive next!

No one has any of those things to me. 

 

 

[Thaiophil]

 

1 hour ago, RickBradford said:

Thailand has a cargo cult government

 ????????

[terryofcrete]

7 hours ago, rupert the bear said:

dont judge anyone by your standards they dont apply once you leave here

My brother is wealthy. listening to me mouthing on about how I enjoy my few months every year in Thailand, he decided to take in a trip to Thailand coming back from a wedding in Hong Kong. I heard nothing about it afterwards and finally asked him did he enjoy his time in Thailand . He just looked at me and said “ Don’t mention that place to me” 

[orchidfan]

5 hours ago, IamNoone88 said:

Follow Estonia "leaping forward after the government applied digital technology to all its services". Have they not heard of Singapore which leads the way and sets the GolD Standard globally in online Citizen to Gov't services and is actually in ASEAN?

Hong Kong the same. 

EVERYTHING is done using ID card.....banking, Govt services, hospitals, driving licences, business registrations etc.. 

Has been for decades.

Estonia...ha!

[johnnytuc]

4 hours ago, mikebell said:

Only high-earning dog-lovers will want to come to Thailand in preference to countries that rid the streets of packs of disease-spreading, accident -causing, child-savaging, sleep-depriving vermin.

Woof

 

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Wow, they'll be saying we're all paranoid and sensitive next!

No one has any of those things to me. 

 

 

All of that has happened under Prayuth. Big Joke, Anutin and other bigots have insulted us incessantly. In the press. It is all there. It has calmed down now. At least publicly. I rarely ever feel any xenophobia from the Thai public. I feel it often from this administration and the government offices. 

[Meat Pie 47]

4 hours ago, natway09 said:

Why would anyone go to Bali ? It is riddled with Covid 

Yes and still closed

[BusyB]

On 11/27/2020 at 9:09 AM, androokery said:

Wealthy people may - and probably will - be able to buy the vaccine and bypass the government mandated order of distribution. But not in droves, so it won't have much impact on who comes to Thailand first. 

 

The first planes will be full of old, sick people - and the morbidly obese... since they are all part of the vulnerable groups. If you follow the logic of Somkiat. 

 

 

 

I think DLock was hinting at the Thai hiso approach to distributing the vaccine domestically ... an act of projection i.e. imagining the rest of the world would do it that way. What a mindset ...

Edited November 28, 2020 by BusyB
neurotic spell checker

[VBF]

22 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

All of that has happened under Prayuth. Big Joke, Anutin and other bigots have insulted us incessantly. In the press. It is all there. It has calmed down now. At least publicly. I rarely ever feel any xenophobia from the Thai public. I feel it often from this administration and the government offices. 

I was going to reply to your original post, but this says basically what I was going to say.

As a tourist, I have only once felt insulted as a foreigner in Thailand, but I have several friends who live in Thailand and their feelings are similar to yours, especially the 3 who speak reasonable Thai and therefore know more of what is being said about them.

As much as I'm looking forward to returning to Thailand someday, I'm glad I never made the permanent move.

Edited November 28, 2020 by VBF

[BusyB]

20 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

All of that has happened under Prayuth. Big Joke, Anutin and other bigots have insulted us incessantly. In the press. It is all there. It has calmed down now. At least publicly. I rarely ever feel any xenophobia from the Thai public. I feel it often from this administration and the government offices. 

 

It ain't xenophobia, you're just one of the great unwashed generally. It's also what they think of their own people as well.

 

I too have never experienced xenophobia from the average Thai Joe or Jane ...

[Traubert]

6 hours ago, mikebell said:

Only high-earning dog-lovers will want to come to Thailand in preference to countries that rid the streets of packs of disease-spreading, accident -causing, child-savaging, sleep-depriving vermin.

Not a dog lover then?

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

All of that has happened under Prayuth. Big Joke, Anutin and other bigots have insulted us incessantly. In the press. It is all there. It has calmed down now. At least publicly. I rarely ever feel any xenophobia from the Thai public. I feel it often from this administration and the government offices. 

Interesting. Firstly, the English language press misquoted/mistranslated(although not by mistake) what Anutin said. He was perfectly correct in what he said about farang not wearing and refusing free masks. 

Secondly, not sure what the head of immigration said but this year I've become a naturalized Thai citizen and the process has never been easier/faster. This is under Prayut, and Anupong(interior minister). Strange if they are anti foreigner. 

Other PMs were more anti foreigners with Taksin, for example raising visas/ectensions by 300%, and raising Permanent Residency by 800%.

[herfiehandbag]

On 11/27/2020 at 3:09 PM, androokery said:

The first planes will be full of old, sick people - and the morbidly obese... since they are all part of the vulnerable groups. If you follow the logic of Somkiat. 

Oh, so you've flown on the Dubai/Gulf States to Bangkok legs as well then?

[herfiehandbag]

On 11/27/2020 at 2:46 PM, webfact said:

He said Thailand should learn from Estonia, which has been leaping forward after the government applied digital technology to all its services, enabling citizens to complete any government-related transaction using only an ID card.

Wasn't Estonia comprehensively stuffed a couple of years ago when someone (not the Russians of course - they would never do anything like that) hacked that system and shut it down?

[NRGF]

On 11/27/2020 at 8:49 AM, RotBenz8888 said:

Is this guy a part time comedian? 

He's a dreamer but absolutely correct.

[NRGF]

On 11/27/2020 at 9:09 AM, androokery said:

Wealthy people may - and probably will - be able to buy the vaccine and bypass the government mandated order of distribution. But not in droves, so it won't have much impact on who comes to Thailand first. 

 

The first planes will be full of old, sick people - and the morbidly obese... since they are all part of the vulnerable groups. If you follow the logic of Somkiat. 

 

 

And I'm old and fat and cant wait.

[NRGF]

[androokery]

10 minutes ago, NRGF said:

And I'm old and fat and cant wait.

Sell me your dose. I’m not old enough and not fat enough. 

[androokery]

56 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Oh, so you've flown on the Dubai/Gulf States to Bangkok legs as well then?

I have, both Emirates and Qatar, but I don’t remember sitting next to someone very old, very sick or very fat. The last one I would have remembered. Please, obese people: if you fly economy, buy two tickets. Or there WILL be a scene if you’re seated next to me. 

[bodga]

On 11/27/2020 at 2:46 PM, webfact said:

K-shaped trend,

buzzword  ballluks