U.S. Senate blocks constitutional challenge to Trump impeachment trial

[J Town]

6 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

So far, according to Trump's approval ratings, most don't like him.  Worst approval rating in history.  And yet, some still try to bash the other side. 

 

Mueller is a highly decorated vet and an outstanding civil servant with decades of service to the US.  Amazing anyone would bash him.  Boggles my mind.  And yes, a Republican who is bashed by his own party.  Stunning.

And the most amusing part of this whole ...show is how the Republicans are eating their own. We are witnessing the implosion of the GOP. Decades ago, it was a viable party, a worthy opponent. Now, it's a refuge for terrorists and shameless sycophants.

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[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

 Put it to a trial.  Let him prove his innocence.  What's wrong with that?  It is the American way after all...

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/trump-impeachment-effort-live-updates/2021/01/11/955631105/impeachment-resolution-cites-trumps-incitement-of-capitol-insurrection

 

"Donald John Trump engaged in high Crimes and Misdemeanors by inciting violence against the Government of the United States," the resolution argues, citing his false claims of election fraud in the months leading up to the riot — which he repeated on Jan. 6 — and a phone call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger where Trump urged him to "find" votes to overturn the results there.

 

The impeachment article says that during an address to supporters on Wednesday, Trump "willfully made statements that, in context, encouraged — and foreseeably resulted in — lawless action at the Capitol, such as: 'if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a county anymore.' "

When a Democrat is in charge of the trial it has already lost any pretense at impartiality, in my opinion.

[Salerno]

 

Luckily there where some decent people in the crowd that got the cop out of danger and a CNN (?) crew.

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[Salerno]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

When a Democrat is in charge of the trial it has already lost any pretense at impartiality, in my opinion.

 

What about SCOTUS in that case?

[Jeffr2]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

When a Democrat is in charge of the trial it has already lost any pretense at impartiality, in my opinion.

You've got a very biased opinion.  Thus, the big problems we're experiencing in the US.  There are good dems and bad ones.  Good repubs and bad ones.  Sad you lump all dems into one basket.  A very biased approach.

[simple1]

11 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

Luckily there where some decent people in the crowd that got the cop out of danger and a CNN (?) crew.

 

True, but a tiny minority

[Odysseus123]

Yes..a very weird selection of poor boundaries,lack of civic culture.little or no political morals and ethics and certainly no major grasp of reality.

 

 Very bedraggled parrots,indeed.

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[simple1]

23 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Yes..a very weird selection of poor boundaries,lack of civic culture.little or no political morals and ethics and certainly no major grasp of reality.

 

 Very bedraggled parrots,indeed.

 

Including more than a few on this forum.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, J Town said:

And the most amusing part of this whole ...show is how the Republicans are eating their own. We are witnessing the implosion of the GOP. Decades ago, it was a viable party, a worthy opponent. Now, it's a refuge for terrorists and shameless sycophants.

 

Nah. IMO, once the few anti Trump politicians are removed, the GOP will be united and well on the way to taking back the congress in 2022 and the White House in 2024.

[Berkshire]

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

1 hour ago, J Town said:

And the most amusing part of this whole sh!tshow is how the Republicans are eating their own. We are witnessing the implosion of the GOP. Decades ago, it was a viable party, a worthy opponent. Now, it's a refuge for terrorists and shameless sycophants.

Nah. IMO, once the few anti Trump politicians are removed, the GOP will be united and well on the way to taking back the congress in 2022 and the White House in 2024.

5555....a united GOP with MTG, Gaetz, Boebert, Mo Brooks, Nunes, et al.  The band of crazies, each trying to prove their fealty to Trump.  It's amazing the GOP is still tying themselves to has-been Trump.  Some still believe that he will return to the White House any moment now.  Or that he'll win back the WH in 2024.  Neither is happening.  But if the Republican Party wants to worship Trump, that's fine.  He's the one person who can torch the GOP from within.  He has my blessing.     

[Sujo]

36 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Nah. IMO, once the few anti Trump politicians are removed, the GOP will be united and well on the way to taking back the congress in 2022 and the White House in 2024.

Who do you think will be the contender.

[Jeffr2]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Nah. IMO, once the few anti Trump politicians are removed, the GOP will be united and well on the way to taking back the congress in 2022 and the White House in 2024.

Sad commentary when you support politicians who lie to their constituents, post threatening messages to other members of congress and faithfully follow a variety of ... insane conspiracy theories.

 

The GOP is truly broken and needs a reset.  It has to happen.  Most Americans don't support this kind of BS.

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[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Who do you think will be the contender.

Gaetz for sure, after his ridiculous rally in Wyoming.  He's unhinged. 

 

Hawley is another...and a nutter.

 

Pompeo...but he'll never make it.

 

Pence...but doubt he'll make it.

 

A terrible list for sure....in the end, IMHO, the odds on favorite will be Kamala.

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Gaetz for sure, after his ridiculous rally in Wyoming.  He's unhinged. 

 

Hawley is another...and a nutter.

 

Pompeo...but he'll never make it.

 

Pence...but doubt he'll make it.

 

A terrible list for sure....in the end, IMHO, the odds on favorite will be Kamala.

Gaetz loves the sound of his own voice. He is just a publicity whore.

 

Hawley is now saying he never tried to keep trump in office.

 

Pompeo back to private life.

 

Pence has the charisma of a mannequin.

 

So yes, Kamala is a big chance. But having a black woman running is dangerous at this time. It will elevate the chances of a nutter from the right being elected again simply because neanderthals will never vote for a woman or a black.

[Jeffr2]

13 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Gaetz loves the sound of his own voice. He is just a publicity whore.

 

Hawley is now saying he never tried to keep trump in office.

 

Pompeo back to private life.

 

Pence has the charisma of a mannequin.

 

So yes, Kamala is a big chance. But having a black woman running is dangerous at this time. It will elevate the chances of a nutter from the right being elected again simply because neanderthals will never vote for a woman or a black.

Well put.  Racism is one of the biggest problems in the US.  Sad times....and even more sad when some support these racists.

[Berkshire]

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

Who do you think will be the contender.

Gaetz for sure, after his ridiculous rally in Wyoming.  He's unhinged. 

 

Hawley is another...and a nutter.

 

Pompeo...but he'll never make it.

 

Pence...but doubt he'll make it.

 

A terrible list for sure....in the end, IMHO, the odds on favorite will be Kamala.

I'm sure Cruz and Rubio would want to be in the conversation.  But they'll never wipe off that Trump stain.  Pence is done.  The base thinks he 's a traitor.  Pompeo was just a weak imitation of Trump.  Frankly, no one can out-Trump Trump.  Unfortunately for the GOP, he can't win a General Election.  It's too bad guys like Kasich and Flake...and several other moderates, are no longer serious contenders.  They would have had universal appeal.  But the nutwing of the GOP have taken over.  Trump really should start a third party to put these guys out of their misery. 

[billd766]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Do you not understand that Biden has a phone and could have told Nancy to back off? "Upsetting" 75 million American voters isn't a good way to begin a presidency, in my opinion.

The 2022 elections are going to be very interesting.

Neither was upsetting 79 million Biden voters, but Trump did it anyway. That certainly wasn't a good way to end a presidency I

 

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

From what I have seen, the use of impeachment ( and obviously trial ) are only for a sitting president. They probably never considered that an ex president would be tried.

Personally I'm all for it. Trump will likely be acquitted, which will make a mockery of it, it gives the defence an opportunity to expose the procedure as an attempt for revenge, rather than justice, and will sideline Biden at the precise time he is attempting to get his cabinet approved and make his mark as a president. By having a trial at this time he will always, IMO, be remembered as a president that was overshadowed by an ex president.

Indeed, Trump casts a large shadow, and he isn't going away any time soon, as CNN and the Democrats are doing all they can to keep him in the forefront of politics.

 He will be buried in court cases by several US States along with his impeachment trial.

 

You keep stating 71 million people voted for Trump,   many of them voted for the GOP or against Biden rather than for Trump so your figure may be4 optimistic.

 

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Surely even the Democrats can see that denying Trump a proper defence is likely to lead to demonstrations that would make the Capitol demonstration a "walk in the park"?

Where are the Democrats denying Trump a proper defence?

[Jeffr2]

33 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

I'm sure Cruz and Rubio would want to be in the conversation.  But they'll never wipe off that Trump stain.  Pence is done.  The base thinks he 's a traitor.  Pompeo was just a weak imitation of Trump.  Frankly, no one can out-Trump Trump.  Unfortunately for the GOP, he can't win a General Election.  It's too bad guys like Kasich and Flake...and several other moderates, are no longer serious contenders.  They would have had universal appeal.  But the nutwing of the GOP have taken over.  Trump really should start a third party to put these guys out of their misery. 

Well put.  I forgot about Cruz and Rubio.  I'm sure both will be contenders.  And Hogan also?  He seems more moderate.  But considering the current GOP base, they'll probably favor another nutjob like Trump. LOL

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

To my knowledge nobody has ever been tried after leaving office in the US.

 

Trump and his supporters certainly haven't had an qualms with that notion in the past. But now suddenly that he's on the receiving end, ohh no, can't be done!!!

 

Trump Instigates ‘Lock Him Up’ Chant For Obama At Rally

...

"Trump repeated his evidence-free claim during his speech in Henderson that Obama “got caught spying on my campaign.” He added: “We have him cold. Now let’s see what happens.”

Trump then hesitated, looked into the crowd and pointed.

 

In an instant they were chanting “lock him up” — a new riff on Trump’s 2016 election refrain, when he and his fans chanted “lock her up,” referring to Hillary Clinton.

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lock-up-obama-trump-rally_n_5f5efa88c5b67602f60732a6

 

AND

 

Trump, lagging in polls, pressures Justice Dept. to target Democrats and criticizes Barr

 

"President Trump publicly pressured the Justice Department on Friday to move against his political adversaries and complained that Attorney General William P. Barr is not doing enough to deliver results of a probe into how the Obama administration investigated possible collusion between Russia and the 2016 Trump campaign.

 

The delayed report is “a disgrace,” and Trump’s 2016 Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, should be jailed, Trump said in a rambling radio interview, one day after he argued on Twitter that his current Democratic opponent, Joe Biden, is a criminal who should be barred from running.

 

Three weeks before the election and as he trails Biden in polls nationally as well as in key states, Trump is issuing a new torrent of threats and demands for federal action against Democrats, including former president Barack Obama, that go beyond his familiar and often erroneous claims of wrongdoing by his perceived political enemies."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-barr-durham-russia/2020/10/09/05ed9842-0a40-11eb-a166-dc429b380d10_story.html

 

At various points, Trump as president seems to have wanted Obama, Clinton and Biden all jailed.

 

But at this point, I'd say, lock HIM up for insurrection.

 

[ExpatOK]

12 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Well put.  I forgot about Cruz and Rubio.  I'm sure both will be contenders.  And Hogan also?  He seems more moderate.  But considering the current GOP base, they'll probably favor another nutjob like Trump. LOL

 

Doubt if it will be Hogan.  But it could be.

 

 

 

 

 

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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

When a Democrat is in charge of the trial it has already lost any pretense at impartiality, in my opinion.

 

Ahh.... you mean kinda like how the Republican Senate did during Trump's first impeachment trial.... making it barely a trial at all.

 

"The Republican majority voted on January 21 to reject 11 amendments proposed by Democrats which requested subpoena authority to introduce testimony from current and former White House officials, as well as Trump Administration documents which were not provided to House investigators....

 

On January 31, a majority of 51 senators (all Republicans) voted against allowing subpoenas to call witnesses or documents."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_impeachment_trial_of_Donald_Trump

 

A real Republican rush to avoid and hide the truth, the first time around.

 

[J Town]

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To my knowledge nobody has ever been tried after leaving office in the US.

 

Here - knowledge:

 

Meet the other American who was impeached and tried after leaving office (nbcnews.com)

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[Rimmer]

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[Eric Loh]

It is really America lost if he is not convicted and allowed back in 2024. The country will continue to be divided, vulnerable to violence and seen by the world as a pariah country if the impeachment played along partisan line. If you have seen the DHS's National Terrorism Bulletins of domestic violence; the agency warned of motivated extremists who still are feed with misinformation and unfounded claims. The impeachment is a chance for the GOPs to denounce Trump that he was wrong to continue to deny the legitimacy of the election. Trump just need to announce that he accept the election and he was wrong regarding the fradulent accusation and the threat will decline. We know he is not doing this and the impeachment is the only avenue to cut away from Trump's incendiary messaging and a chance for America to get back to normal.  

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

It is really America lost if he is not convicted and allowed back in 2024. The country will continue to be divided, vulnerable to violence and seen by the world as a pariah country if the impeachment played along partisan line. If you have seen the DHS's National Terrorism Bulletins of domestic violence; the agency warned of motivated extremists who still are feed with misinformation and unfounded claims. The impeachment is a chance for the GOPs to denounce Trump that he was wrong to continue to deny the legitimacy of the election. Trump just need to announce that he accept the election and he was wrong regarding the fradulent accusation and the threat will decline. We know he is not doing this and the impeachment is the only avenue to cut away from Trump's incendiary messaging and a chance for America to get back to normal.  

Perhaps this is to be the "new normal" for the USA.

[thaibeachlovers]

After Biden was sworn in some TVF posters expressed optimism that Trump was gone and forgotten, banned by social media and out of Washington.

However, Trump continues to be the main topic of conversation on TVF, and on CNN etc, BECAUSE the Democrats CHOOSE to prolong his exposure in the public eye. He doesn't need social media when every main news channel is reporting on him every day for hours. I hope he is going to be in the senate to defend himself, and every word he says will be broadcast around the world. I expect him to make much of the opportunity to rally his base and lambast the Democrats.

I suspect the Democrats will be doing everything they can to deny him the opportunity, however I think they will discover that they have started something they will come to regret in future days.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

After Biden was sworn in some TVF posters expressed optimism that Trump was gone and forgotten, banned by social media and out of Washington.

However, Trump continues to be the main topic of conversation on TVF, and on CNN etc, BECAUSE the Democrats CHOOSE to prolong his exposure in the public eye. He doesn't need social media when every main news channel is reporting on him every day for hours. I hope he is going to be in the senate to defend himself, and every word he says will be broadcast around the world. I expect him to make much of the opportunity to rally his base and lambast the Democrats.

I suspect the Democrats will be doing everything they can to deny him the opportunity, however I think they will discover that they have started something they will come to regret in future days.

You're right. Some people have been overly optimistic about Mr. trump disappearing. 

As far as his loyalists, he's going to rally them to what exactly? Another insurrection? The election is over. There are still a lot of very crazy people that still think he won. The democrats cannot govern based on catering to crazy people. 

[heybruce]

58 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

After Biden was sworn in some TVF posters expressed optimism that Trump was gone and forgotten, banned by social media and out of Washington.

However, Trump continues to be the main topic of conversation on TVF, and on CNN etc, BECAUSE the Democrats CHOOSE to prolong his exposure in the public eye. He doesn't need social media when every main news channel is reporting on him every day for hours. I hope he is going to be in the senate to defend himself, and every word he says will be broadcast around the world. I expect him to make much of the opportunity to rally his base and lambast the Democrats.

I suspect the Democrats will be doing everything they can to deny him the opportunity, however I think they will discover that they have started something they will come to regret in future days.

Impeachment of the President for sedition was bound to be a major news story.  In spite of that I've seen much less of Trump in the news since Biden's inauguration than before. 

 

I'm sure the Democrats would love to have Trump testify in his impeachment trial, and Trump's lawyer's will fight tooth and nail to keep that from happening.  The problem remains the same as during the Mueller investigation; Trump is incapable of not lying, which means he would perjure himself.  If he does appear in the Senate trial I'm sure his lawyers will do their best to train him to take the Fifth on every question asked.

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[J Town]

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

Impeachment of the President for sedition was bound to be a major news story.  In spite of that I've seen much less of Trump in the news since Biden's inauguration than before. 

 

I'm sure the Democrats would love to have Trump testify in his impeachment trial, and Trump's lawyer's will fight tooth and nail to keep that from happening.  The problem remains the same as during the Mueller investigation; Trump is incapable of not lying, which means he would perjure himself.  If he does appear in the Senate trial I'm sure his lawyers will do their best to train him to take the Fifth on every question asked.

Hillary testified for 11 hours regarding 4 dead as a civilian. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

[Jeffr2]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

After Biden was sworn in some TVF posters expressed optimism that Trump was gone and forgotten, banned by social media and out of Washington.

However, Trump continues to be the main topic of conversation on TVF, and on CNN etc, BECAUSE the Democrats CHOOSE to prolong his exposure in the public eye. He doesn't need social media when every main news channel is reporting on him every day for hours. I hope he is going to be in the senate to defend himself, and every word he says will be broadcast around the world. I expect him to make much of the opportunity to rally his base and lambast the Democrats.

I suspect the Democrats will be doing everything they can to deny him the opportunity, however I think they will discover that they have started something they will come to regret in future days.

Sure, there was optimism Trump would disappear.  Any sane person would desire this.  And luckily, he has most disappeared from news feeds.  Still there a bit, but NOTHING like last year where every day was reporting about the chaos he was causing.

 

Don't blame the dems for this.  That's BS.  If Trump wants to defend himself, then he should relish the opportunity to testify at his impeachment hearing  with the senate.  Why isn't he doing that if he's innocent?  Right....

 

Time for the GOP to get it's act together.  Renounce QAnon.  Tell the truth.  Stop telling lies.