A passport to go to the bar? Intriguing possibility of "vaccine passport" to visit entertainment venues in Thailand

[CharlieH]

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[placnx]

3 hours ago, rucker4012 said:

The IATA , an international airline group is working on an APP called Travel Pass. Beta with 3 mid east airlines in Feb 2021. Expects to be out in March, 2021. Has facial recognition to preclude impostors. If accepted by most airlines, seems to be solution to universality of problem.

Here is the Q&A from IATA:

https://www.iata.org/contentassets/2b02a4f452384b1fbae0a4c40e8a5d0c/travel-pass-faqs.pdf

It does not have facial recognition, but is certainly a mix of interesting technology. It will only work for getting on airplanes or hopefully clearing immigration, not going to bars!

[Russel]

21 minutes ago, NRGF said:

Many years ago in the 70's when you landed in Thailand you needed to get your vaccination card stamped before you could go to immigration.

Yes but that vaccination card was based on a real vaccine and  not on a genetic drug 

[hioctane]

10 hours ago, Cabradelmar said:

Idiocy knows know bounds. The implementation issues associated with a globally interoperable and secure digital cert (that has both validity and integrity) are not insignificant. Not to mention the fact that there are currently no fewer than 6+ different vaccines (worldwide) being administrated... Some different vastly effectiveness. Which ones would be recognized as legit. Seems like a non starter. 

I believe there is an internationally accepted efficacy for vaccine approval and that is around 50%. It shouldn’t matter which vaccine you took as long as it meets international standards.

 

9 hours ago, Pique Dard said:

 yeah, intriguing, but there's a solution! if i haven't got any, my neighbour will lend me his

These digital vaccine passports would have safeguards in place. You couldn’t just pass it around. 

[Rocking Robert]

I got vaccinated Second dose February 17  gave me a vaccine card. Plus go on the internet vsafe.cdc.gov put in the information and they sent you a code stating you had the vaccine 

[itsari]

At least Mr Anutin could go and have a drink on his own today if the vaccine rule were in place . 

Could be the way forward to lever people to be vaccinated . 

 

[fulhamster]

Anyone who has had the vaccine can still carry the virus.

Therefore, any establishment insisting on these passports must ensure that all staff have already had the vaccine.

[Stoker58]

“You very hansum man. You hab vaccine passport?”

That’s why it would never work.

Also TiT. It would take me about ten minutes to get a fake “vaccine passport”.

[Road Warrior]

ah maybe to visit  Tesco/big C  who knows what next  ??? 

[skorp13]

Forget covid tests, has anyone in the TAT been drug tested? How can they keep coming up with such ridiculous  plans?

[Moo 2]

Bar workers would need to show me their vaccine passport as well, there is no reason why I should trust them!

[placnx]

15 hours ago, Cabradelmar said:

Idiocy knows know bounds. The implementation issues associated with a globally interoperable and secure digital cert (that has both validity and integrity) are not insignificant. Not to mention the fact that there are currently no fewer than 6+ different vaccines (worldwide) being administrated... Some different vastly effectiveness. Which ones would be recognized as legit. Seems like a non starter. 

 

4 hours ago, hioctane said:

I believe there is an internationally accepted efficacy for vaccine approval and that is around 50%. It shouldn’t matter which vaccine you took as long as it meets international standards.

 

These digital vaccine passports would have safeguards in place. You couldn’t just pass it around. 

Cabradelmar mentions valid points about unwieldy vaccine passports. It would make sense to have an international scientific committee, not subject to WHO politics, maintain a vaccine database that would inform national vaccination databases as to validity issues concerning individual vaccines in use worldwide. "Vaccine passports" not digitally linked to their national databases would not be fit to purpose.

 

Hioctane mentions the 50% standard. It is an unfortunate WHO standard that many countries may ignore, so people immunized with low standard vaccines arriving in countries with high vaccine standards may find themselves going to quarantine  (assuming that they could get on the airplane). With such an infectious virus, this 50% standard is a stopgap. This is not the common flu.

[hugocnx]

18 hours ago, owl sees all said:

Good points!

 

But why is your text so tiny?

I guess the heading of my topping must have scared me of.

[graeme64]

On 3/2/2021 at 11:54 AM, internationalism said:

but already existing 2 thai applications, as well as a new one for foreign tourists, are much better options, because they can actually trace spread of virus.

and data about vax or being ill or positive in the past can be incorporated in those applications.

using two apps that TRACE THE SPREAD OF VIRUS is better than stopping the spread of the virus. you know that is what you just wrote? and people here think the Thai's govt officials are stupid.  

[ThailandRyan]

6 hours ago, Stoker58 said:

“You very hansum man. You hab vaccine passport?”

That’s why it would never work.

Also TiT. It would take me about ten minutes to get a fake “vaccine passport”.

Found a few articles that back the claim you make

Why Europe’s COVID Vaccine Passports Won’t Work (thedailybeast.com)

 

Covid-19 Vaccine Passports Are a Ticket to Nowhere - Bloomberg

[off road pat]

On 3/2/2021 at 5:38 AM, colinneil said:

Ahh come on dont be too hard on them, some bright spark actually thinks he/she is a genius coming up with that.????????

Hm,...You better Get use to that because it's going to be the norm all over the world !

[internationalism]

8 hours ago, graeme64 said:

using two apps that TRACE THE SPREAD OF VIRUS is better than stopping the spread of the virus. you know that is what you just wrote? and people here think the Thai's govt officials are stupid.  

but I did write "data about vax or being ill or positive in the past can be incorporated in those applications", so all important medical info about covid can be in one application, to be easily accessible.

No need for yet another document to be carried to such trivial places like pub or disco. Formally foreigners suppose to carry their passports at any time.

Everybody carries smartphone, that's good enough.

 

[placnx]

15 hours ago, internationalism said:

but I did write "data about vax or being ill or positive in the past can be incorporated in those applications", so all important medical info about covid can be in one application, to be easily accessible.

No need for yet another document to be carried to such trivial places like pub or disco. Formally foreigners suppose to carry their passports at any time.

Everybody carries smartphone, that's good enough.

 

So far there's insufficient uptake of these apps to accomplish anything useful.

[overherebc]

20 minutes ago, placnx said:

So far there's insufficient uptake of these apps to accomplish anything useful.

I can understand why many don't want to download them. One main reason being so many people use internet banking and would worry about what apps can read on your phone.

[BernieOnTour]

Even, if the World Economic Forum in Davos with its “Great Reset” suggests that as the appropriate way into our “future”:

 

That means the death for all the entertainment business!

 

Who wants to collect negative “Social Credits” ?  

PR China, here we come ... 555

[sqwakvfr]

Possible next phase?

 

Under the plan’s timeline, tourists will quarantine in their rooms for the first three days and then be swab-tested for Covid-19 at their hotel.

If they test negative, they will be granted access to the whole hotel or resort until their 14-day quarantine ends.

After 14 days they will be tested again. If no infection is found they will be allowed to travel freely through the quarantine area.

 

"Whole hotel"?  The elevators without a minder.  The stairwell.  The roof where you cannot use the pool.  The closed gym.  The restaurant.  The Bar????

 

The definition of  quarantine appears to be evolving but will remain for the time being.  

 

[internationalism]

looks, like "whole hotel" means all facilities.

even now at quarantine hotels gym can be used under conditions.

at seaside resorts with a beach one can swim and exercise.

Beach and open space bars and restaurants have lower restrictions than those within walls.

But that is different discussion from vax passports 

[Henryford]

Any bar that asks for this can kiss goodbye to my custom.