Scotland's first minister Sturgeon faces resignation call amid row with predecessor

[RuamRudy]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It's going to be amusing to see Sturgeon squirming as she gives evidence, but if nothing else she is a very accomplished liar so it wouldn't surprise me to see her continue to pull the wool over the eyes of the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish people.

 

Let's hope the truth comes out. The coverup has gone on long enough and is dragging the good name of UK politics through the mud. If this debacle is the result of devolution, maybe Boris was correct all along. It's become embarrassing at this point and the Scottish people deserve better than this from their leaders. Much better. 

 

Haha, you almost had me there, then you typed "the good name of UK politics". Good one! 

[JonnyF]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Will not make any difference to the drive for independence.

 

Already has.

[RuamRudy]

43 minutes ago, colinneil said:

BBC

Can you please link to this BBC report which told you that "recent polls in Scotland, majority in favour of staying in the union"? 

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Already has.

 

If true, I imagine that you will be as gutted as I would be. 

Edited March 3, 2021 by RuamRudy

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Haha, you almost had me there, then you typed "the good name of UK politics". Good one! 

 

Well everything is relative. In Westminster the big talking point is Angela Rayner buying Earpods on expenses. 

 

Not quite the same as trying to get your innocent political opponents jailed for sex crimes using taxpayers money, then trying to sweep it under the carpet, is it?

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

 

If true, I imagine that you will be as gutted as I am. 

 

Polls are showing a sharp drop in support for Scottish Independence. People are waking up.

 

Personally? Yes I have grown tired of Scotland biting the hand that feeds it and dragging UK politics through the mud so I wouldn't be sad to see them leave, but that is my personal opinion and my respect for the 2014 Democratic process and result over-rides that.

[david555]

14 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

While agree that it's a distraction from the topic, a serious allegation was made against david555. He has every right to challenge the accusation and the accuser. 

 

 

I don't take it too high,..... but i always return an arrow shot at me by sharpen the point al little..., nothing more , but seems only be the privileging of  the  same group only ....???? i don't mind a sharp post on me as long they can endure my answer ...????

Edited March 3, 2021 by david555

[RuamRudy]

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

Well everything is relative. In Westminster the big talking point is Angela Rayner buying Earpods on expenses. 

 

Not quite the same as trying to get your innocent political opponents jailed for sex crimes using taxpayers money, then trying to sweep it under the carpet, is it?

 

 

I thought they were talking about matt Hancock giving 800 million of taxpayers' money to his friends for contracts they had no experience in and could never possibly fulfil? 

[RuamRudy]

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

Polls are showing a sharp drop in support for Scottish Independence. People are waking up.

 

Personally? Yes I have grown tired of Scotland biting the hand that feeds it and dragging UK politics through the mud so I wouldn't be sad to see them leave, but that is my personal opinion and my respect for the 2014 Democratic process and result over-rides that.

Which polls? 

[colinneil]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Can you please link to this BBC report which told you that "recent polls in Scotland, majority in favour of staying in the union"? 

Sorry cannot do that, but i saw it on the BBC about 4 days ago, i look at BBC news every morning, and noticed it.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

 

I thought they were talking about matt Hancock giving 800 million of taxpayers' money to his friends for contracts they had no experience in and could never possibly fulfil? 

 

An excellent deflection from the SNP issues. Expertly done. However, there is no evidence for your claims.

 

Back to the topic of the thread, do you support using taxpayers money to attempt to imprison your political opponents for sex crimes even after your lawyers have told you there is no chance of a victory in the case? Sounds like something from a banana republic, as Andrew Neil so brilliantly points out. 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1402478/andrew-neil-news-nicola-sturgeon-snp-alex-salmond-evidence-latest-scotland-holyrood

 

 

 

 

[safarimike11]

15 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

 

I thought they were talking about matt Hancock giving 800 million of taxpayers' money to his friends for contracts they had no experience in and could never possibly fulfil? 

Haven't heard much of her lately; think she is re-sitting her GSCSs.

[RuamRudy]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

An excellent deflection from the SNP issues. Expertly done. However, there is no evidence for your claims.

 

Back to the topic of the thread, do you support using taxpayers money to attempt to imprison your political opponents for sex crimes even after your lawyers have told you there is no chance of a victory in the case? Sounds like something from a banana republic, as Andrew Neil so brilliantly points out. 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1402478/andrew-neil-news-nicola-sturgeon-snp-alex-salmond-evidence-latest-scotland-holyrood

 

 

 

 

 

I already said that if she has broken the law she should face the consequences of her actions, and if she has broken ministerial code then she should do the honourable thing. 

 

I am not sure what cave you are living in with your denial of the corruption of Matt Hancock. Are you not aware of, for example, giving £30 million of your and my money to his pub landlord mate to make medical devices? That is just one example of the corruption and illegality that saturates the Nasty Party.  https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/matt-hancock-takes-down-picture-23552465

 

So, as I said earlier, I sincerely hope that if she is guilty of anything, she does not emulate the Tories, and does the decent thing. 

[sanuk711]

21 minutes ago, david555 said:

that's all , i am not after a look up about  legal procedure to dig

 

David555--what I was trying to convey, was that both of these person are for Scotland Independence.

 

That's why some of the posts suggesting dark forces from England --or England must be worried , are just smoke.

Alex Salmond Had been the leader of the Scottish national Party (independence) for over 20 years.

If he happen to take over again--little changes as far as that is concerned.

 

Alex Salmond had been accused and taken to court on trumped up sex charges--that's not in dispute, the Government apologized and paid him over half a million pound for the legal fees etc. What is being looked at now is how it happened -& it seems that the lady -(Nicola Sturgeon-) is reluctant to answer certain question on her part in the matter.

 

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I already said that if she has broken the law she should face the consequences of her actions, and if she has broken ministerial code then she should do the honourable thing. 

 

I am not sure what cave you are living in with your denial of the corruption of Matt Hancock. Are you not aware of, for example, giving £30 million of your and my money to his pub landlord mate to make medical devices? That is just one example of the corruption and illegality that saturates the Nasty Party.  https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/matt-hancock-takes-down-picture-23552465

 

So, as I said earlier, I sincerely hope that if she is guilty of anything, she does not emulate the Tories, and does the decent thing. 

 

Yes let's hope she does the honorable thing and resigns. Scotland doesn't need individuals like her and she needs to be made an example of. It seems that even the hardcore Nationalists realize this now.

 

I won't be drawn off topic re. your usual attempts to deflect. I don't think a supporter of the SNP should be calling anyone the "Nasty Party" right now though. Glass houses and all that.

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, colinneil said:

Appear you are not keeping up with the news coming out of Scotland, people are now once again understanding that being in the union is better than following crazy Nicola into the abyss.

 

Are they really?

And you base this on what? One poll by survation who always return a lower figure for support for independence because of the way they weight the votes?

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yes let's hope she does the honorable thing and resigns. Scotland doesn't need individuals like her and she needs to be made an example of. It seems that even the hardcore Nationalists realize this now.

 

I won't be drawn off topic re. your usual attempts to deflect. I don't think a supporter of the SNP should be calling anyone the "Nasty Party" right now though. Glass houses and all that.

 

She hasn't been found guilty of anything so I will wait until I get the pitchforks out. 

 

Deflection? It is equivalency and the blatant hypocrisy of the TVF brexiteers who rally round our incompetent, useless and genuinely corrupt PM and his party. Sturgeon has been found guilty of nothing; the Nasty Party leadership's illegality and corruption is a matter of public record. 

 

But come back to me with your cries of the SNP being the nasty party when they have to be shamed into feeding starving children. 

[bendejo]

Sturgeon?

Salmon(d)?

They'll need someone else with a fish name to replace her.

 

 

[david555]

4 minutes ago, sanuk711 said:

 

David555--what I was trying to convey, was that both of these person are for Scotland Independence.

 

That's why some of the posts suggesting dark forces from England --or England must be worried , are just smoke.

Alex Salmond Had been the leader of the Scottish national Party (independence) for over 20 years.

If he happen to take over again--little changes as far as that is concerned.

 

Alex Salmond had been accused and taken to court on trumped up sex charges--that's not in dispute, the Government apologized and paid him over half a million pound for the legal fees etc. What is being looked at now is how it happened -& it seems that the lady -(Nicola Sturgeon-) is reluctant to answer certain question on her part in the matter.

 

So the question is  if she was bound to pay for his legal fees by court or legal procedure  or not ? , ( as happens also in my country too , compensation for legal fees if not guilty ...) , as if she was not bound  then they have a case ....., difficult matter as smart lawyers would claim that defendant right's have be violated ....

 

Hence i said i don't like to dig in court cases as can take years to get final result of explanation ???? 

[Rookiescot]

Its odd though. Previously for Brexiteers it was Salmond who was the bogey man.

Found not guilty but to them he was. No smoke without fire and all that.

Suddenly a volt face. Now its Sturgeon who's the black heart. 

If/when Sturgeon does resign then I expect those British nationalists/Brexiteers will be back to claiming Salmond is guilty as sin.

Within hours.

[Rookiescot]

7 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Sturgeon?

Salmon(d)?

They'll need someone else with a fish name to replace her.

 

 

 

Oh how the long winter nights must just fly by.

[sandyf]

53 minutes ago, sanuk711 said:

As someone tried to point out to you--we are talking about trying to smear a person and have him placed in Jail for sex crimes---because he is your opposition.

You seem to think that not guilty equates to innocence.

The Scottish government made a mistake and tainted the investigation which was almost certainly going to lead to a not guilty verdict. The man doth protest too much, deflection?

 

Douglas Ross is throwing mud like a man possessed as he is quite aware that every chance he will lose his seat in May.

Before adopting the moral high ground, people should remember that both Theresa May and Boris Johnson have been found guilty in court. Why didn't they resign?

[david555]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

Its odd though. Previously for Brexiteers it was Salmond who was the bogey man.

Found not guilty but to them he was. No smoke without fire and all that.

Suddenly a volt face. Now its Sturgeon who's the black heart. 

If/when Sturgeon does resign then I expect those British nationalists/Brexiteers will be back to claiming Salmond is guilty as sin.

Within hours.

Come on Rookiescot .....a blind person can see this became politized  as an opportunity to try to break that independence movement ..... it is nothing more than that ...... hence my first post that the ......( "forbidden Engliphobia word use group" by vogie   ???? ) is shXXXing their pants  for that referendum  ????

[FritsSikkink]

3 hours ago, colinneil said:

Past time for Queen Nicola to abdicate, she is fast making Scotland and Scottish people look ridiculous.

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Edited March 3, 2021 by FritsSikkink

[RuamRudy]

Just now, FritsSikkink said:

By the Scottish conservatives (a party setup in England) 

 

And rejected by Scotland at every single election since 1955. It is unfathomable that there are still a small minority of people willing to back them despite what they have done to our country. I guess you will always have that minority of selfish, greedy people no matter where you are in the world.

 

 Thankfully the majority see them for what they are. I love the fact that a way of insulting someone in Scotland is to call them a tory ????

[sanuk711]

11 minutes ago, david555 said:

a blind person can see this became politized  as an opportunity to try to break that independence movement

Ok --david555 as you have such an insight into UK politics --just walk us through it would you.

 

If the person who led the independence movement for 20 years (before it became so fashionable) and was the mentor to Nicola Sturgeon, Was to take back over again how is that braking the movement. Why is England xxxxx their pants?

 

Just count us as being all blind people and explain it simply.....Pleeeeeeease

 

***BTW just out curiosity David --what country do you come from?

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

 

While agree that it's a distraction from the topic, a serious allegation was made against david555. He has every right to challenge the accusation and the accuser. 

 

 

Perhaps I could point out that David555 made an equally grave allegation: that the accusations against Ms Sturgeon were a result of "the English really shxxng their pants for that referendum ....putting their backroom dark forces at work "?

Edited March 3, 2021 by herfiehandbag

[david555]

8 minutes ago, sanuk711 said:

Ok --david555 as you have such an insight into UK politics --just walk us through it would you.

 

If the person who led the independence movement for 20 years (before it became so fashionable) and was the mentor to Nicola Sturgeon, Was to take back over again how is that braking the movement. Why is England xxxxx their pants?

 

Just count us as being all blind people and explain it simply.....Pleeeeeeease

 

***BTW just out curiosity David --what country do you come from?

Just count us as being all blind people and explain it simply.....Pleeeeeeease

 

You all are sure not blind .... just fearing that referendum  to happen  .... hence allt he fuzz now  , very understandable from U.K. English point of view , trying to keep your Union together at any cost ..... very understandable 

Edited March 3, 2021 by david555

[JonnyF]

44 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

She hasn't been found guilty of anything so I will wait until I get the pitchforks out. 

 

Deflection? It is equivalency and the blatant hypocrisy of the TVF brexiteers who rally round our incompetent, useless and genuinely corrupt PM and his party. Sturgeon has been found guilty of nothing; the Nasty Party leadership's illegality and corruption is a matter of public record. 

 

But come back to me with your cries of the SNP being the nasty party when they have to be shamed into feeding starving children. 

 

More deflection.

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Perhaps I could point out that David555 made an equally grave allegation: that the accusations against Ms Sturgeon were a result of "English dark forces shxxt stirring"?

 

Personally, I think that, as he is not from the UK, he can be forgiven for making the mistake of conflating England with the UK establishment. God knows, enough UK people make the same mistake (do you see what I did there?).