Owner refusing to give ID for TM30

[cyril sneer]

Moved back into an apartment short-term that we've stayed before and the owner is refusing to provide a copy of her ID (she was rude to my wife previously for no reason so they've never got on)

 

Any other options how to do it, or is it not worth the hassle? 

[Susco]

I would think if you have a rental contract, you will have a copy of here ID already

[cyril sneer]

1 minute ago, Susco said:

I would think if you have a rental contract, you will have a copy of here ID already

never had that at any place i've stayed

[DrJack54]

What do you need TM30 for?

You did not indicate that your here on extensions (marriage) etc. Only mentioned wife. 

If your just staying at hotel for a break then going back to your home, you do not need a TM30.

That changed year + ago

Edited April 25, 2021 by DrJack54

[Ventenio]

if you are getting a NonB, then you need it all.......  

 

can't help you......except I would move after a month.

 

It NEVER ends at just one headache.  

[Susco]

7 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

never had that at any place i've stayed

 

So you don't have a rental contract, but you expect the landlord to announce to the government that she rents out her property?

 

 

[stubuzz]

I had the same problem once. I just used a friend's iD and Tabien barn with a new rental agreement.

[Scouse123]

Whatever the OP does to get his TM30 sorted, he needs to be moving from his present rental accommodation as soon as possible.

 

Plenty of people willing to accept your money in this environment and economic situation.

 

You don't have to accept rudeness or unhelpful landlords

[Caldera]

I'd make this a requirement before making the initial payment and moving in. Nothing but trouble later otherwise.

[DrJack54]

57 minutes ago, Caldera said:

I'd make this a requirement before making the initial payment and moving in. Nothing but trouble later otherwise.

The OP, IMO has posted sweet F.

What's his situation in Thailand. Re extensions etc.

The TM30 requirements have changed.

[cyril sneer]

16 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

The OP, IMO has posted sweet F.

What's his situation in Thailand. Re extensions etc.

The TM30 requirements have changed.

I’d rather not post PI 

 

1 hour ago, Susco said:

 

So you don't have a rental contract, but you expect the landlord to announce to the government that she rents out her property?

 

 

Had a rental contract everywhere I’ve stayed, never a photo ID to go with it though 

[jackdd]

5 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

Had a rental contract everywhere I’ve stayed, never a photo ID to go with it though 

In the future you should insist on getting it when signing the contract. (Also a copy of the house book)

It's also important for your own safety, so that you know that the person who you pay rent to is actually the owner of the place or at least allowed to rent it out.

[Tanoshi]

2 hours ago, cyril sneer said:

Any other options how to do it, or is it not worth the hassle? 

It's just as much your responsibility to file the TM30 as it is the apartment owners.

 

If they are refusing to file, complete a TM30 yourself and sign as the tenant.

If Immigration request a contract or proof of the owners Tabien Baan/ID card, explain they are refusing to supply them, give the IO their contact number and leave it to them.

 

[Maestro]

5 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

If they are refusing to file, complete a TM30 yourself and sign as the tenant.

If Immigration request a contract or proof of the owners Tabien Baan/ID card, explain they are refusing to supply them, give the IO their contact number and leave it to them.

Yes, this is how it works.

 

From the Immigration Act (highlighting in bold is mine):

 

Quote

 

Section 4:

...

“Householder” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house,
whether in the capacity of owner, tenant, or in any other capacity whatsoever in accordance
with the law on civil registration.

 

Section 38:

The householder, the owner or the possessor of a dwelling
place or a hotel manager, who takes in, as a resident, an alien with permission to
temporarily stay in the Kingdom, shall notify the competent official at the immigration office
located in the locality in which the house, dwelling place, or hotel is located within twenty
four hours from the time the alien has taken residence. or a hotel manager, who takes in, as a resident, an alien with permission to
temporarily stay in the Kingdom, shall notify the competent official at the immigration office
located in the locality in which the house, dwelling place, or hotel is located within twenty
four hours from the time the alien has taken residence.

 

 

Your rental contract makes you the tenant and on that basis section 4 of the Immigration Act defines you as the chief possessor of the of the place where your you live and in this capacity as the householder, sometimes also translated as house-master, for the purpose of submitting the notification required by section 38.

[Susco]

1 hour ago, cyril sneer said:

3 hours ago, Susco said:

 

So you don't have a rental contract, but you expect the landlord to announce to the government that she rents out her property?

 

 

Had a rental contract everywhere I’ve stayed, never a photo ID to go with it though 

 

Apologies, I misunderstood that you never had a rental contract.

 

As others advised, whenever you make any contract, you always should have copy of ID card and housebook.

 

Ever wondered why this is always asked for if you sign a contract with a company or official department?

 

My guess is that without a copy of those official documents, a contract can be declared invalid.

[Satcommlee]

They are probably worried about undeclared Tax income..

[TheFishman1]

I would just move out tell her you’re not a pay or anything unless she helps you with your report there’s plenty of vacancies right now TIT

[connda]

20 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

Whatever the OP does to get his TM30 sorted, he needs to be moving from his present rental accommodation as soon as possible.

 

Plenty of people willing to accept your money in this environment and economic situation.

 

You don't have to accept rudeness or unhelpful landlords

It's a buyer's (renter's) market in these economic conditions.  If you have a rude, nasty landlord - leave. 

[DrJack54]

21 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

What do you need TM30 for?

You did not indicate that your here on extensions (marriage) etc. Only mentioned wife. 

If your just staying at hotel for a break then going back to your home, you do not need a TM30.

That changed year + ago

I posted the above early on.

The reply from OP was "I prefer not to disclose PI"

Why do you even need a TM30.

If obtaining covid extensions or whatever then yes you may need a TM30. 

[Mavideol]

21 hours ago, Ventenio said:

if you are getting a NonB, then you need it all.......  

 

can't help you......except I would move after a month.

 

It NEVER ends at just one headache.  

usually they are called symptoms and then the big head ache soon follows  555 

 

(PS: for the skeptical  ones...sarcasm intended )

[Searat7]

What if the owner is not Thai ?  I usually rent from European owner and have never had a TM 30 in the past because I would be careful to travel within 90 day periods but this year I think that will not be possible. I am pretty sure she would not have a Thai ID card. 

[jackdd]

3 minutes ago, Searat7 said:

What if the owner is not Thai ?  I usually rent from European owner and have never had a TM 30 in the past because I would be careful to travel within 90 day periods but this year I think that will not be possible. I am pretty sure she would not have a Thai ID card. 

He should have a passport though.

[2009]

Why can't you just do a TM28?

[DrJack54]

9 minutes ago, Searat7 said:

What if the owner is not Thai ?  I usually rent from European owner and have never had a TM 30 in the past because I would be careful to travel within 90 day periods but this year I think that will not be possible. I am pretty sure she would not have a Thai ID card. 

Why do you need a TM30. Why do you need to be careful to travel within 90 day periods? 

[jackdd]

13 minutes ago, 2009 said:

Why can't you just do a TM28?

A TM28 doesn't replace a TM30. TM28 has basically been scrapped anyway last year.

[MrJ2U]

23 hours ago, Ventenio said:

if you are getting a NonB, then you need it all.......  

 

can't help you......except I would move after a month.

 

It NEVER ends at just one headache.  

Then let your inconsiderate landlord struggle to find a tenant during these lien times.

[2009]

6 minutes ago, jackdd said:

A TM28 doesn't replace a TM30. TM28 has basically been scrapped anyway last year.

 

Hmm...

 

I just traveled back to the province where I used to live for summer and while here I applied for my visa extension.

 

They said I had to update my address before I could do the visa extension.

 

I had already prepared for that. I gave them both a completed TM30 and a TM28, signed by each my GF (landlord) and myself respectively, as well as all the photocopies.

 

They took the TM28 and said, "TM30 is just for the first time, after we use TM28"

 

I was confused by her explanation, but anyway.....

 

 

This was only a few weeks ago.

 

 

 

 

[jackdd]

2 minutes ago, 2009 said:

They took the TM28 and said, "TM30 is just for the first time, after we use TM28"

Maybe they didn't get the memo.

 

[Tanoshi]

35 minutes ago, jackdd said:

A TM28 doesn't replace a TM30. TM28 has basically been scrapped anyway last year.

They brought out the new TM27 to replace the TM28, but I don't think anyone including Immigration understands it. TM30 appears to be the only notification IO's need.

TM 27 Address different than TM6..pdf

TM27 Reg Jan 2020.pdf

 

[jackdd]

3 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

They brought out the new TM27 to replace the TM28

TM27 isn't new, and it didn't replace TM28, it has a different purpose.

TM27 has existed since at least 1979, and still exists unchanged today.

I've not heard of one single immigration office that is trying to enforce TM27.

So just ignore TM27.

Edited April 26, 2021 by jackdd