Lockdown proposed for Bangkok and five other Deep Red zone provinces

[snoop1130]

A dog stands between covered vans for tourist transport parked along an alley outside a closed travel agency in Bangkok on April 8, 2021. (Photo by Mladen ANTONOV / AFP)

 

The Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA), headed by Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha, will be asked to impose lockdowns in the six Deep Red zone provinces, where the rates of new infections are not slowing.

 

General Nataphol Narkpanich, secretary-general of the National Security Council and head of the CCSA subcommittee, said today (Wednesday) that the proposed lockdowns are part of the panel’s proposals, to be considered by the CCSA, which change the classifications of Bangkok, Nonthaburi, Pathum Thani, Samut Prakan, Chiang Mai and Chon Buri to Deep Red, due to their high infection rates.

 

The fact that more than 2,000 new infections have been recorded every day since April 23rd is a clear indication that the existing measures are insufficient to contain the disease, said the general.

 

Full Story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/lockdown-proposed-for-bangkok-and-five-other-deep-red-zone-provinces/

 

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[holy cow cm]

Here we go again. time to go out and double up on some food and alcohol again.

[Surelynot]

10 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

The fact that more than 2,000 new infections have been recorded every day since April 23rd 

.....is weird to say the least.....inexplicable.

[richard_smith237]

I think a lockdown is inevitable. 

 

But, lets not panic - the numbers in Thailand are still far far less than exist in our home countries. 

 

That said, the ‘whole numbers’ are somewhat irrelevant and simply depend on the amount of people tested. 

If Thailand were to test 100,000 random cases per day, how many of those would be positive. 

400,000 per day? how many of those?

Testing 3000 people per day who have symptoms or been exposed to someone with symptoms or have tested positive is a highly misleading observation / metric of the true picture of the Covid-19 outbreak in Thailand. 

 

 

Of far greater significance is: 

1) Number of People who have died because of Covid-19

2) Number of People in ICU because of Covid-19 (and available beds)

3) Number of serious Covid-19 cases (i.e. Number of people in hospitals requiring treatment for Covid-19)

 

 

Thailand still needs to concentrate on getting the Vaccines distributed as quickly as possible. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ukrules]

I wonder if a lockdown goes far enough here?

 

They should be prevented from leaving the locked down area and entering other provinces.

 

I live in Hua Hin where many people who live in Bangkok have holiday homes and I have to wonder how many 1000's of Bangkok based Thais will make their way to Hua Hin bringing COVID with them when they come.

 

Look what happened last time someone with COVID came to Hua Hin from Bangkok - it was reported on this forum earlier today that 90% of the 1034 Hua Hin cases were related to a single event (a concert) attended by at least one infected person who previously visited the Thonglor hotspot in Bangkok.

 

Keep them out of the provinces!

 

[sammieuk1]

He should surely be known by his new supreme title of Prime Minister Prayut Chan-O-Cha-Czar or Uncle C or Big C to most ???? 

[brewsterbudgen]

According to the article posted, the only change from how things are now is that "eateries" would be restricted to take-out and delivery.  Shopping malls and public transport still operating, no curfew, and no restrictions on entering or leaving the city.  Mind you, it's only a proposal.

[ukrules]

Without travel restrictions whatever they do will make no difference.

[zzzzz]

3 hours ago, ukrules said:

I wonder if a lockdown goes far enough here?

 

They should be prevented from leaving the locked down area and entering other provinces.

 

I live in Hua Hin where many people who live in Bangkok have holiday homes and I have to wonder how many 1000's of Bangkok based Thais will make their way to Hua Hin bringing COVID with them when they come.

 

Look what happened last time someone with COVID came to Hua Hin from Bangkok - it was reported on this forum earlier today that 90% of the 1034 Hua Hin cases were related to a single event (a concert) attended by at least one infected person who previously visited the Thonglor hotspot in Bangkok.

 

Keep them out of the provinces!

 

same goes for phuket. no cases for 103 days, than 3 parties on the island and infected travelers from the Thonglor hotspot came down, now we are up to over 320 in less than a month>
Lock down all entertainment >>>Lock down the area's with large number so daily cases.  at least for 2 weeks

at least now to enter Phuket you need show <
1.ur fully vaccinated ( less than .001 % of population, if that)
2.a covid free test within 72 hours

OR
3.a rapid covid test on arrival ( free for thai's, 500 baht for everyone else)

Edited April 28, 2021 by zzzzz

[ukrules]

15 minutes ago, zzzzz said:

at least now to enter Phuket you need show <
1.ur fully vaccinated ( less than .001 % of population, if that)
2.a covid free test within 72 hours

OR
3.a rapid covid test on arrival ( free for thai's, 500 baht for everyone else)

 

Yes, I noticed that here in Hua Hin we don't have that luxury

 

The infected out of Bangkok are allowed to roam free here.

[darksidedog]

4 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The fact that more than 2,000 new infections have been recorded every day since April 23rd is a clear indication that the existing measures are insufficient to contain the disease, said the general.

I believe that the General is ignoring the fact that allowing people to travel nationwide through Songkran is the most likely (and avoidable) reason why we have such high numbers now, and that he doesn't understand the time frames involved to be making such sweeping statements.

Numbers are bad, agreed. People have stepped up their safety measures noticeably of late which will help. Every time they close somewhere of course, they force more and more people to frequent the diminishing number of options left available for food and necessary groceries, thus increasing the likelihood of further spread.

Not going to even get started on the vaccination issue and its gross mismanagement.

[smedly]

8 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

General Nataphol Narkpanich

 

step up and be a hero 

 

but also look after the people who will suffer severely from your actions 

[smedly]

7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

But, lets not panic - the numbers in Thailand are still far far less than exist in our home countries. 

 

OMG - you find numbers by testing 

 

please explain how you come to that conclusion 

 

I'm not getting it 

 

13 thousand tests a day versus 1 million tests a day 

 

sorry my friend how on earth you ..............................

 

Thailand needs to take a very close look at India right now were it is so bad that they have completely given up 

 

PS - last year I predicted on here that India would be a total covid train wreck, I wish I was wrong - horrific  

[Damrongsak]

1 hour ago, smedly said:

 

OMG - you find numbers by testing 

 

please explain how you come to that conclusion 

 

I'm not getting it 

 

13 thousand tests a day versus 1 million tests a day 

 

sorry my friend how on earth you ..............................

 

Thailand needs to take a very close look at India right now were it is so bad that they have completely given up 

 

PS - last year I predicted on here that India would be a total covid train wreck, I wish I was wrong - horrific  

Yep, have to test.  They don't want what happened to the U.S.  by letting it get away from them.  We've done ~357 million tests in the year or so this has been ramping up.  30+ million positive tests - 8.33%.  My 92 year old Mom has been tested at least 1/2 dozen times, as they had an outbreak in the old folks home and needed to stomp it out. 

 

Thailand does not need what we went through last winter!  250k - 300K cases a day? Ouch. 

 

[RichardColeman]

10 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

If Thailand were to test 100,000 random cases per day, how many of those would be positive.

Someone recently posted on here that they were doing 15,000 tests a day and finding 2000 up , so in all likelihood, if the tested 100,000, 12-15,000 positives would come back

[Jingthing]

Well if a new lockdown is the same as the last lockdown, do people really need to hoard groceries? Yes, I know many will, but I had no problem buying groceries normally during that period. Also there are online grocery and restaurant deliveries too. 

[englishoak]

Mama noodle time on the horizon. 

[realfunster]

13 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

General Nataphol Narkpanich, secretary-general of the National Security Council and head of the CCSA subcommittee

 

The facade of being a civilian government does not run very deep...

 

Anyhow, might be time to stock up on ‘supplies’ !

[phukettrader]

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Of far greater significance is: 

1) Number of People who have died because of Covid-19

2) Number of People in ICU because of Covid-19 (and available beds)

3) Number of serious Covid-19 cases (i.e. Number of people in hospitals requiring treatment for Covid-19)

Of even more significance are the number of people who have dies OF it, rather than simply WITH it. This is a fraction of the total numbers even in the west where the stats include anyone who has died of ANYTHING within 28 days of a positive test, including it seems, being hit by a bus or falling off a ladder. Must keep the people in constant fear.

[mjakob007]

14 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

Here we go again. time to go out and double up on some food and alcohol again.

wonder if this is pressured by the retail lobby to improve sales..

[Straight8]

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I think a lockdown is inevitable. 

 

But, lets not panic - the numbers in Thailand are still far far less than exist in our home countries. 

 

That said, the ‘whole numbers’ are somewhat irrelevant and simply depend on the amount of people tested. 

If Thailand were to test 100,000 random cases per day, how many of those would be positive. 

400,000 per day? how many of those?

Testing 3000 people per day who have symptoms or been exposed to someone with symptoms or have tested positive is a highly misleading observation / metric of the true picture of the Covid-19 outbreak in Thailand. 

 

 

Of far greater significance is: 

1) Number of People who have died because of Covid-19

2) Number of People in ICU because of Covid-19 (and available beds)

3) Number of serious Covid-19 cases (i.e. Number of people in hospitals requiring treatment for Covid-19)

 

 

Thailand still needs to concentrate on getting the Vaccines distributed as quickly as possible. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aussies would beg to differ with you on that one

Edited April 28, 2021 by Straight8

[MasterBaker]

considering number of tests they do now, infections numbers are looking pretty good

[TheFishman1]

Without travel restrictions the virus. Spread TIT

[Excel]

11 hours ago, ukrules said:

Without travel restrictions whatever they do will make no difference.

As we all know now, and what many on here thought logical, together with the Thai medical profession , Bangkok and perhaps elsewhere should have been locked down prior to SongKran.  They only way that would have worked effectively though would have been the methods China employed last year in Wuhan and other places.  Controlled by the military not the RTP, as police corruption would have been a weak link and for a few baht people could come and go.. Nobody in, nobody out unless essential. Hard to stomach but it appears the only effective method to stop the spread .  As for now I think as the horse has bolted then like other countries only a full national lock down would work. Now that would cripple small businesses even more and bring untold hardships to others, the only alternative being living in a state of chaos, indifferent control methods by power hungry governors etc etc.  It will be a trade off in the end, a decision that I doubt the new Czar will be unable to make I suspect until instructed.

[SwampyThai]

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I think a lockdown is inevitable. 

 

But, lets not panic - the numbers in Thailand are still far far less than exist in our home countries. 

 

That said, the ‘whole numbers’ are somewhat irrelevant and simply depend on the amount of people tested. 

If Thailand were to test 100,000 random cases per day, how many of those would be positive. 

400,000 per day? how many of those?

Testing 3000 people per day who have symptoms or been exposed to someone with symptoms or have tested positive is a highly misleading observation / metric of the true picture of the Covid-19 outbreak in Thailand. 

 

 

Of far greater significance is: 

1) Number of People who have died because of Covid-19

2) Number of People in ICU because of Covid-19 (and available beds)

3) Number of serious Covid-19 cases (i.e. Number of people in hospitals requiring treatment for Covid-19)

 

 

Thailand still needs to concentrate on getting the Vaccines distributed as quickly as possible. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My thought exactly. Also how is it that Thailand has had only ONE serious/critical case for weeks?

I often wonder how many patients have developed covid then sadly passed away and the cause of death has been attributed to a previous on going medical condition?  

[orang37]

3 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Someone recently posted on here that they were doing 15,000 tests a day and finding 2000 up , so in all likelihood, if the tested 100,000, 12-15,000 positives would come back

 

If testing is done in areas with high incidence, results will be high; if testing is done across an ideal random sample of locations, age, sex, occupation, socio-economic status ...

 

Now: guess the odds that current testing is in the same universe as an ideal sampling.

 

~o:37;

[Skeptic7]

Just imprison everyone at home under penalty of being shot on sight and shutter all businesses FOREVER. No tourism ever again. Then people still die, just not of the dreaded Corona Virus. And not of motor accidents. Sure seems most posters on TV would be thrilled with such extreme measures. 

 

How about keeping to a sane and rational course. First and foremost, everyone must protect themselves to their comfort and risk level. Enforce masks in public, spend big money FOR ONCE and get some serious Vax distribution and aid to medical institutions and workers. Assist the elderly and high risks groups. 

 

Like it or don't, this virus has run it's course around the globe and is still doing so. It's running it here now. Can either shutter the world and try to control the uncontrollable...or carry on with a semi-functioning society and get the world...specifically Thailand...vaxed. It's been well over a year. When does reality finally prevail? 

 

Death happens...live with it. 

[orang37]

2 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

Death happens...live with it. 

 

uhhhh  ... no.

 

4 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

When does reality finally prevail?

 

When you do what you must, and what you can, carefully, with some regard for other people, and go on living.

 

~o:37;

[tonray]

10 hours ago, darksidedog said:

I believe that the General is ignoring the fact that allowing people to travel nationwide through Songkran is the most likely (and avoidable) reason why we have such high numbers now, and that he doesn't understand the time frames involved to be making such sweeping statements.

Numbers are bad, agreed. People have stepped up their safety measures noticeably of late which will help. Every time they close somewhere of course, they force more and more people to frequent the diminishing number of options left available for food and necessary groceries, thus increasing the likelihood of further spread.

Not going to even get started on the vaccination issue and its gross mismanagement.

Unfortunately, aside from shutting down public transport, there is little he could do short of calling in the military to shut down all access roads, which BTW was exactly what China was able to do and how they controlled the spread of the virus domestically. China quarantined entire provinces by roadblocking access points using the army...and in China...there are serious repercussions of violating the order.

[bluemoon58]

14 hours ago, ukrules said:

I wonder if a lockdown goes far enough here?

 

They should be prevented from leaving the locked down area and entering other provinces.

 

I live in Hua Hin where many people who live in Bangkok have holiday homes and I have to wonder how many 1000's of Bangkok based Thais will make their way to Hua Hin bringing COVID with them when they come.

 

Look what happened last time someone with COVID came to Hua Hin from Bangkok - it was reported on this forum earlier today that 90% of the 1034 Hua Hin cases were related to a single event (a concert) attended by at least one infected person who previously visited the Thonglor hotspot in Bangkok.

 

Keep them out of the provinces!

 

Yep, was only iterating this to Mrs Bluemoon58 yesterday that there needs to be heavily enforced travel restrictions imposed on unnecessary travel.