Significant progress reported in AstraZeneca vaccine production in Thailand

[internationalism]

so it's not July (stated just the last week) or May (stated just yesterday, so at the same time as this statement), but June.

Which date should I believe and can they be more specific on which week.

If it's really matter of weeks, they should say so fairly exactly. In January there were expecting end of May.

Hence I believe all of those dates are sham.

Same sham I do expect with import of sputnik and pfizer - just random musings of a happy general with a stupid health minister, after meeting representatives of those companies. No detail at all, round figures 5-10mln for pfizer is just childish

 

[Bigz]

1 hour ago, ryane66 said:

EU is sueing AstraZenaca for missed deliveries, 75% short. They gave up with AZ and just signed a deal with Pfizer for 1.8 billion doses.

Pfizer seems to be better aswell

[mtls2005]

8 minutes ago, clivebaxter said:

now what is it ?

 

The last I recall was 10 million per month begining in July.

 

But it's hard to keep up. And some of these may be for export.

 

 

The regime has a fine line to march. Balancing domestic vaccinations for Thais with pay for vaccines for those who can afford it (incl foreigners) and exporting locally produced vaccines is a bit of a powder keg. 

[sandyf]

55 minutes ago, Khun Paul said:

Wonderful news, although as per usual here too bloody late, had over 12 months and STILL NOT making the vaccine . It is NOT rocket science, but using a Thai company, surprised it is that far advanced.   

It was scheduled for June since last October, but there are always those that think they have all the answers.

Fairly obvious to most it is not rocket science, more like medical science.

[mfd101]

Even if they do have a little something to deliver in June, it won't be for jabbing in to people's arms. It will still need quality control & batch testing by both AZ & FDA. Which, on current & past performance, is likely to take a month.

 

Unless of course the government decides that the associated risk to actual people is of no concern ...

[sandyf]

19 minutes ago, newnative said:

  Meanwhile, why can't AZ send some vaccines NOW to bridge the long gap before local production starts?

Why not ask AZ, nobody on here is in a position to answer.

Thailand ordered 26 million last when they made the agreement and deliveries were supposed to start in February. Some turned up from South Korea but no estimate on the rest, and very unlikely before local production starts.

[mtls2005]

5 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

It will still need quality control & batch testing by both AZ & FDA.

 

We've been told that (some of) this has been done already. Although I suspect 30 - 40 governemtn agencies will have to review and sign-off, incl all committees and the CCSA.

 

 

[anchadian]

 

Thai News Reports

 

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This data for the vaccination rollout is dated 28 February- 15 April, but gives you an idea of which vaccines are being used:

 

Sinovac: 957,429 doses in 77 provinces

 

AstraZeneca: 86,160 doses in 5 provinces * * Samut Sakhon, Nonthaburi, Pathum Thani, Samut Prakan & Bangkok

 

[Jeffr2]

Looks like if you are under 60, the jabs are scheduled for August.

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1387558525266657281

 

[Eric Loh]

May be of interest to some of us.

WHAT ARE THE OTHER DIFFERENCES BETWEEN AZ and Pfizer

Technology, price and storage.

The AstraZeneca shot is a “viral vector vaccine”, where a specially engineered virus that normally causes chimpanzees to get the common cold delivers genetic instructions to human cells to make the spike protein jutting out from the new coronavirus’s surface.

The Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines use a new technology which packs messenger RNA (mRNA) inside tiny fat droplets to instruct cells to make the spike protein.

AstraZeneca pledged the vaccine would cost just a few dollars per dose and be sold without making a profit, whereas Pfizer’s vaccine costs $18.40-$19.50 per dose. A separate mRNA vaccine from Moderna, approved in the United States, costs up to $37.

The AstraZeneca shot does not require deep freezing at minus 70 degrees like the mRNA vaccine from Pfizer and its German partner, BioNTech, and has already been produced by the millions of doses.

It can be kept in a standard refrigerator for six months.

It is also cheaper to make, bringing hope to developing countries largely left out of the early vaccine haul.

[holy cow cm]

4 hours ago, bluesofa said:

When they start production in June, I wonder if they will fulfil all of Thailand's needs before starting to export elsewhere?

I would gather they will balance it as the best highest return for the bulk of the pot of gold to be made is from export. I still cannot see all Thai having a free jab, but if they are free for all Thai then you can gather that the jab will be funded by government subsidies so SB will still make tons of cash.

[gunderhill]

2 hours ago, wonder6281 said:

So they have sorted the blood clotting effect then?

In which  vaccine, as more than one  has this EXTREMELY RARE  side  effect.

[gunderhill]

41 minutes ago, Bigz said:

Pfizer seems to be better aswell

Depends o n the price

[Cake Monster]

1 hour ago, Deli said:

The tourisn industry had Bt 20 % of the country's GDP and fed millions of people...

And also ripped off Millions of others.

 

[Jeffr2]

4 minutes ago, gunderhill said:

Depends o n the price

the price differential will be insignificant. 

[gunderhill]

Just now, Jeffr2 said:

the price differential will be insignificant. 

Depends on your income

[rtco]

1 hour ago, Sydebolle said:

And who exactly is behind Siam Bioscience - asking for a friend ....... 

Don't we all know that and this is exactly why there has been a delay! Rather than order and buy in from outside with means there will need to be transparency and scrutiny of money spent they do it from the inside which means they can obfuscate the whole payment cycle and who gets what.

[ICELANDMAN]

Finally, all my rich billionaire friends in $ are happy, we were missing to be able to go back to the VIP bars / escorts of Bangkok  ????

[Jeffr2]

14 minutes ago, gunderhill said:

Depends on your income

We're talking about a potential difference of a few thousand baht.  Maybe 5.  Insignificant in the over all scheme of things.  Especially when it comes to your health.

[Kiujunn]

2 hours ago, wonder6281 said:

So they have sorted the blood clotting effect then?

Blood clotting is a life threatening side-effect of AZ but only affects young women. 

Have you ever seen any young women in Thailand? 

[Nanaplaza666]

2 hours ago, Deli said:

The tourisn industry had Bt 20 % of the country's GDP and fed millions of people...

Yes , so lets hope they vaccinate those millions and not just the owners of the industry . 

[Nanaplaza666]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

The delay is frustrating but I would rather they took longer and got it right than rush ahead.

We are going to be sticking this stuff into people after all.

Took longer ?? They already had a year more then most other countries . Or did you forget the news about other countries vaccinating for months already ? 

[Nanaplaza666]

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

A lot of Thai's are not going to take it due to the adverts that say people died from blood clots. They don't care that it was a drop in the ocean, they only care that people died.

If they cared about people died , they would have been wearing helmets on motorbikes and really learn how to drive . 

[Jeffr2]

3 minutes ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

Took longer ?? They already had a year more then most other countries . Or did you forget the news about other countries vaccinating for months already ? 

I guess you forget the news about all the countries that are NOT doing mass vaccinations yet.  Australia being one.  There are many others.

[Kiujunn]

32 minutes ago, gunderhill said:

In which  vaccine, as more than one  has this EXTREMELY RARE  side  effect.

Life-threatening venous sinus thrombosis is a rare side-effect of the AstraZeneca vaccine, happens mostly in women under 50.

 

For a young woman in a place like London in January or India today, where covid is ubiquitous,  the risk to die from Covid is still somewhat higher than the risk to die from the vaccine. Even if young people rarely have serious disease from covid.

 

But in places where covid is not frequent,  like in New Zealand or Mukdahan, the risk for a young women to die from the vaccine is higher than the risk to die from covid. So for every single individual,  the rational decision is to refuse the vaccine. 

This is the reason why, right now,  nobody in Taiwan wants the vaccine and it is very easy to get vaccinated in Taiwan.  They cannot use up the vaccines they have. 

 

Of course,  for the  population as a whole,  it's an unsustainable situation if people take the rational decision to refuse the vaccine. 

[herfiehandbag]

17 hours ago, gunderhill said:

Has  somebody found the light switch and turned it  on?

A monopoly is at risk...

[Nanaplaza666]

10 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

I guess you forget the news about all the countries that are NOT doing mass vaccinations yet.  Australia being one.  There are many others.

Seems like you have it on to me today jeffr2 , all countries that still don't have a good vaccination program are a bit late don't you think ??? They had months to prepare and all the countries that HAVE their vaccination in order are now lifting restrictions opening terraces and bars and many other things . 

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

Seems like you have it on to me today jeffr2 , all countries that still don't have a good vaccination program are a bit late don't you think ??? They had months to prepare and all the countries that HAVE their vaccination in order are now lifting restrictions opening terraces and bars and many other things . 

Not on to you today.  Just saying that Thailand isn't the only country that's slow to roll out jabs.  A few countries have done great.  But not many.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/17/world/asia/japan-south-korea-australia-vaccines.html

These Countries Did Well With Covid. So Why Are They Slow on Vaccines?

Japan, South Korea and Australia have inoculated tiny percentages of their populations. The delays risk unwinding their relative successes.

[DLock]

1 hour ago, mtls2005 said:

 

The last I recall was 10 million per month begining in July.

 

But it's hard to keep up. And some of these may be for export.

 

 

The regime has a fine line to march. Balancing domestic vaccinations for Thais with pay for vaccines for those who can afford it (incl foreigners) and exporting locally produced vaccines is a bit of a powder keg. 

 

Most of these vaccines are for export.

 

Whilst these are manufactured in Thailand, they do not belong to Thailand - the belong to AZ, who has orders from around the world.

 

Thailand will order and be in the queue just like anyone else...

[Nanaplaza666]

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Not on to you today.  Just saying that Thailand isn't the only country that's slow to roll out jabs.  A few countries have done great.  But not many.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/17/world/asia/japan-south-korea-australia-vaccines.html

These Countries Did Well With Covid. So Why Are They Slow on Vaccines?

Japan, South Korea and Australia have inoculated tiny percentages of their populations. The delays risk unwinding their relative successes.

So it's past D-day , role up their sleeves . No more U-boats , fast trains , space programs . Full throttle vaccine purchases and vaccination (although a bit late hence their in the back of the line for accesing vaccines) but C'mon get your .... together .