Sinovac or wait ...?

[Em150]

Open question - if your place of work offered you and your Thai spouse a first jab each of Sinovac next week, with second jab at the end of next month, would you take it? Free of charge. Not enforced, the decision is yours. Alternative is to try and make your own arrangements ...

[vinci]

if i were you, take what ever you can it won't kill you, never know when we will be a able to get vaccinated, there isn't enough vaccine of any kind to cover the whole of Thailand.

there are people before you already had Sinovac, they didn't turn into zombies

Edited May 22, 2021 by vinci

[Surelynot]

No hesitation in the wife having the jab............I think I probably would as well........I'd see how she reacts to it first.

Edited May 22, 2021 by Surelynot

[Kiujunn]

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No, they are not asymptomatic, most of them are very sick. 

But a doctor wouldn't call them "seriously" sick. 

 

A strong,  31 year old friend recently had Covid19:

Complete loss of smell (he owns a cosmetics factory and couldn't smell the essence used for his perfumes).

Fever over 39°, up to 40°, for 2 weeks. 

Extreme malaise. He had never been sick like this and was scared to die.

Oxygen saturation always over 93%, almost always 95% or more.

CRP 200 (for those of you who know what it means)

Chest x-ray shows some lung damage.

2 weeks after recovery,  still very week.

 

Was he totally asymptomatic? Obviously not. 

Was he seriously sick? Before I saw the CRP I wouldn't call him seriously sick. Oxygen was fine,  so no problem.

Was he hospitalized? Obviously not.  (This was not in Thailand)

[Chris.B]

Go for it ! 

[zhounan]

If you believe that the vaccine can protect you, do it,
if you are sceptical, wait.

 

What is certain is that these vaccines, for now, are all experimental therapies.

 

Study, research and listen to as many people as possible, even those that TV, news media and social networks are censoring.

Some people believe that this vaccine will be the end of a terrible journey. 
Others, more pessimistic, believe that this vaccine will be the beginning of a terrible journey.

 

In the end you decide only when you are fully convinced of what you are doing.

[DavisH]

I would take it, as that is the conventional wisdom at this time - take what is available. Because we don't know what the supply will look like in 1-2 months. It will stop you from dying or getting serious illness, as do all other vaccines. Vaccination greatly reduces the chance of serious illness (that could prove costly). 

It's likely that yearly shots will be required to suit any further mutations in the virus. Other brands could then be used.

[vinci]

vaccine is not a cure, people that are vaccinate can still get covid but you will not be seriously ill, for anti vaccer i say good luck to you cause you going to need it, more and more people are vaccinated they will get cocky and careless, most likely they will be the one that give you covid.

[Jeffr2]

It may not be the best vaccine, but!  It will keep you out of the ICU with a tube jammed down your throat, or from dying.  No matter what vaccine you take, getting covid will be a possibility.  But every vaccine prevents you from getting very sick or dying.

 

If you wife is younger, this is the jab as the AZ jab has had issues with women under 40.

[billsmart]

Yes, absolutely. 

 

The choice isn't, as many think, Sinovac or some other, more effective vaccine. The choice is Sinovac or nothing.

 

You can always get the two shots of Sinovac now, and then later, when they become more available, get some other vaccine also.

[crazykopite]

NO

[mtls2005]

Depends on the risk, when/if Sinovac is an option for you. Risk is based on your medical condiiton and the local transmission rate, and which vaccines might be an option.

 

Today, assuming Sinovac is the only option, No.

 

Tomorrow? Different decision.

 

 

[kbb]

Living is a small Issarn town. Lot's of doubters here. Mostly influenced by FB.

We had a community meeting with a Nurse to register people. No more than 25 showed up. 

 

Am trying to convince at risk family (aged or medical issues) to at least speak to a DR or NURSE, and not just rely on FB.  Just like the rest of the world, people are going to kill themselves relying on FB & rumours for news. 

 

Unlike the rest of the world, SinoVac may be the only alternative in Thailand for a while. 

 

Not happy, but trying to keep an open mind. They registered us for the end of June.

That gives us a few weeks to research.

 

How good/bad is Sinovac?

More recent information is encouraging in terms of % effectiveness. It's likely better than 50%.

WHO is still chasing some basic documentation before approving. That's not good.

 

Baring any surprises, plan is to get Sinovac, and also pursue a 2nd brand.

While getting two different vaccines is not recommended, it does not appear to be harmful. 

[rwill]

Yes.  I would take it.  It will probably be next year before any of the western ones are available here anyway.  Except for the Astra made in Thailand, which we are at the end of the list to receive.

[Ketyo]

Probably better to take it.

 

2 doses are supposedly quite effective at stopping people getting hospitalised or dying. But it's bad at stopping people catching serious, mild and symptomless cases compared to western vaccines.

 

It means that even if a large fraction of the population takes Sinovac, COVID is still going to circulate. It's almost impossible to get to herd immunity with weak vaccines.

 

The worst case would be to be the unvaccinated person when everyone else is vaccinated with Chinese (but not dying) and COVID is circulating at high levels. It would be a risky position to be in.  That's what could happen is we waiting for a western vaccine as they open up.

 

Look at Chile, Mongolia, Hungary, Serbia, Maldives, Seychelles, UAE, Turkey. All relied a lot on Chinese vaccines and have got very high vaccination rates.... but still had large waves of cases (and deaths) when they tried to open up. 

[Antiparovian]

1 hour ago, billsmart said:

Yes, absolutely. 

 

The choice isn't, as many think, Sinovac or some other, more effective vaccine. The choice is Sinovac or nothing.

 

You can always get the two shots of Sinovac now, and then later, when they become more available, get some other vaccine also.

 

The wisest answer on this topic so far. 

Edited May 24, 2021 by Antiparovian

[hotchilli]

On 5/22/2021 at 6:29 PM, Em150 said:

Open question - if your place of work offered you and your Thai spouse a first jab each of Sinovac next week, with second jab at the end of next month, would you take it? Free of charge. Not enforced, the decision is yours. Alternative is to try and make your own arrangements

I'm not a great believer in the Sinovac vaccine, I would rather wait a month or two and have 2 shots of AZ

[paulbrow]

I would take it, as well as the Mrs. I've Been seeing reasonably good reports about this vaccine doing better than originally expected. I'm over 70 and some background ailments, so I want the vaccination at first available opportunity. Hopefully next year I'll have a choice.

[newnative]

      I'd definitely, happily, take it.  I'm in the school of any vaccine is better than no vaccine--and as soon as possible.  I look at it like we are all playing Russian Roulette.  We've had a gun to our heads since covid and we've been pulling the trigger.  I see any vaccine as a shield between my head and possibly a bullet from the trigger I have been pulling.  The bullet might still get through the shield but it's more likely not to kill me.  I have a better chance of surviving having had any vaccine.  Down the road, when boosters are likely needed, I will probably look for something else and, hopefully, other choices will be more readily available.  

[Seeall]

On 5/22/2021 at 6:36 PM, vinci said:

if i were you, take what ever you can it won't kill you, never know when we will be a able to get vaccinated, there isn't enough vaccine of any kind to cover the whole of Thailand.

there are people before you already had Sinovac, they didn't turn into zombies

 

Not yet, time will tell.. it could be years before the 3rd testi apprears..

[timkeen08]

34 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

I'm not a great believer in the Sinovac vaccine, I would rather wait a month or two and have 2 shots of AZ

I am with you to a point.  But if I cannot see the name on the vial I will walk out.  I'm already on a list at my private hospital for Moderna anyway.  Maybe Phizer will be available by then.  There is too much push from the private sector to be continually ignored.  Authorized for private hospitals will happen some time after AstraZinica rolls out, or is it runs out.  A lot of money is invested in that Thai company.

[DerbyDan]

 

[Pilotman]

Definitely wait. 

[Nemises]

According to this guy, you should be fine ????

[JCauto]

I have one friend who is a COVID long-hauler. You do not want this. You really really really do not want this. Over a year and she still can't do normal ordinary things.

 

Hundreds of millions of Sinovac have been injected. Have you read reports of large numbers of people dying or having adverse reactions? No, you haven't, not at least in any statistically significant way. To even consider this question means you don't understand basic statistics.

[JimGant]

On 5/22/2021 at 6:36 PM, vinci said:

there are people before you already had Sinovac, they didn't turn into zombies

....but they developed an uncontrollable urge to use chopsticks.

[Dirk Z]

Grab the first chance for any vaccination - you will always be better off. Sometimes you would have preferred an air-conditioned taxi, but the only available tuk tuk also got you there. It is very upsetting to see how people believe the stupid rubbish on Fakebook rather than solid science from my fellow scientists all over the world.

[Chicken George]

100% go for it. Sinovac is a dead virus. Have both jabs then in the Autumn top up in a private hospital with a vaccine if your choice. France now is tested a very similar vaccine and people have high hopes for it.. 

I will have what I can get as soon as I can. 

[EricTh]

@Em150

 

If you have reservations against Sinovac like many people here, I suggest you don't waste it. Just wait for Astrazeneca which will be in greater supply from next month.

 

There are many people who are more than happy to have Sinovac given the limited supply of vaccines. I asked the nurse doing vaccine registrations and she said Sinovac's in very short supply contrary to what people here said that 'nobody wants it'.

 

Give it to people who need it more than you i.e. over 60 or those with chronic disease.

 

If you want to go to western countries, Sinovac isn't recognized yet. However, travelling within East Asian countries isn't a problem.

Edited May 24, 2021 by EricTh

[BoganInParasite]

I'd prefer to wait if I have a choice and judge the risk of doing so is not too high to myself and wife. In any case looks like there will not be a decision needed till 4Q21 so plenty of time to mull. By then there should be several credible studies available to judge the performance and side effects of most of the candidate vaccines.