6 minutes ago, riparian said:

 

Wife tells me many are from an ice factory somewhere in Banglamung..  No more details as yet.

 

thought it was closed 3 weeks ago

 

still details are severely lacking in Pattaya and so is testing

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

It means the post contains some very bad news.

That's stating the blinking obvious. Not required.

If someone like bkk Brian or Tallguyinbkk etc post a useful graph then a thankyou emoji etc useful. Have you noticed that not many folk post the sad emoji. You'll pick it up.

Hopefully.

 

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

pointing out that the variant now makes up over 40 percent of all cases in Bangkok and is set to become the dominant strain in one to two months, with an infection rate 1.4 times higher than its Alpha counterpart."

 

Wow... I hadn't fully read the report you've linked to above... but in a dire note, that article also includes the following re Thailand COVID death projections:

 

"Specialist adviser on epidemiology to the Minister of Public Health Dr. Kamnuan Ungchusak meanwhile ... projects that deaths from COVID-19 will rise from 992 in June to 1,400 in July, and then to 2,000 in August and 2,800 in September, ultimately crippling the public health system."

 

WOW!!!  And that's being reported via a government NNT news release!!!

 

5 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Coronavirus: Indonesia defends use of China’s Sinovac amid surge in Delta variant

Health Minister Budi Gunadi Sadikin says the problem is not the vaccine, but the mutant strain. Sinovac is the only manufacturer to have kept to its commitment, he adds   -- Published: 8:53pm, 2 Jul, 2021

The Indonesian health minister has defended the country’s use of China’s Sinovac vaccine, blaming a surge of Covid-19 cases over the past month on the more contagious Delta variant.  Budi Gunadi Sadikin said on Friday it was wrong to blame the vaccine for the surge as countries like Israel and Britain, where most people were given the Pfizer-BioNTech or AstraZeneca jabs, were also experiencing surges.

 

“The issue that we are facing is not about the different efficacy between vaccines, it is primarily because of the Delta variant. It hits every country, so nobody is safe,” Budi said in a webinar held by the Jakarta Foreign Correspondents Club.

 

“Yes, the number of infections is increasing drastically, but the [Sinovac] vaccine reduces the risks from severe to mild, and from mild to asymptomatic. The number of deaths in the second wave, compared to the first in terms of percentage, is actually fewer.”

 

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3139661/coronavirus-indonesia-defends-use-chinas-sinovac-amid-surge

 

 

 

Is this man deluded or what. The sinovac vaccine is what's causing their cases to spike because it only works on earlier variants not Delta. Why defend it. Of course the Chinese kept their promise of supplying the vaccine unlike others but hell get something else in and vaccinate the others, or give boosters as needed.

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Is this man deluded or what.

Yes he is deluded.

7 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Budi Gunadi Sadikin said on Friday it was wrong to blame the vaccine for the surge as countries like Israel and Britain, where most people were given the Pfizer-BioNTech or AstraZeneca jabs, were also experiencing surges.

this is not correct, most current infections for example are those who are unvaccinated or only one dose or rarely very recently got 2 doses, it is is still being studied

5 minutes ago, smedly said:

thought it was closed 3 weeks ago

 

still details are severely lacking in Pattaya and so is testing

I would put money on it having reopened quietly......

There were 3 markets closed (until the 5th) yesterday after infections were found.... imagine them to be breeding grounds..... one of them is nearby to me and our village afternoon market was heaving yesterday due to people using it from the other areas..... also a popular stop on the way to Bangkok. I doubt they were able to maintain their anti-Covid efforts. 

All of these seemingly increasing numbers, and the newly established AZ / SB Facility for Vaccine Manufacture in Thailand has to Export about 50 % or so of what is actually produced. This was always going to be the case.

They have to do this under contractual agreements with the other nations of SE Asia.

This will be required of AZ, and not SB, who are only the licensed manufacturer.

Were the Thai Government under the illusion that all Vaccines produced by SB were for Thai use, as so many statements were made that 10 Million Doses per Month would be for Thai use. It would appear that Thailand will be lucky to see even 6 Million Doses per Month if reports are to be believed.

Or have they been trying to move the Goal Posts, which AZ will not allow due to contractual obligations with other Nations. Some of which they have already let down on deliveries and quantities.

More orders for Sinosoup

11 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Tomorrow should see Thailand rocketing up the covid charts with a bullet at number 67. As I have stated previously at this rate Thailand will hit the top 50 next month. When I first looked at the worldometer Thailand was 177.

Don't you think people should be thankful Thailand was not in the top 50 this time last year. We have only had significant problems in recent months, in other countries it came out of nowhere and have been struggling for well over a year.

Last March the doom and gloom merchants said we were facing an unprecedented disaster, something that never materialised. The current situation is not good but forewarned is forearmed so people should have some idea what to expect.

5 minutes ago, smedly said:

this is not correct, most current infections for example are those who are unvaccinated or only one dose or rarely very recently got 2 doses, it is is still being studied

 

Curbing Delta’s force, vaccines keep Israel’s hospitals calm and avert lockdown

At hospitals, doctors are breathing a sigh of relief, and saying the situation shows that while some vaccinated people are being infected, it’s clear that inoculation is downgrading their illness and preventing deterioration.

 

“This is very good news,” Alon Hershko, head of the coronavirus department at Jerusalem’s Hadassah Medical Center, told The Times of Israel. “This was what we anticipated as most people are vaccinated, which lessens the severity of the disease. But it’s extremely reassuring to see that our hypothesis is correct.”

 

 1 July 2021, 11:11 pm  https://www.timesofisrael.com/curbing-deltas-force-vaccines-keep-israels-hospitals-calm-and-avert-lockdown/

33 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

So, what happened to all of those posters who were claiming this was just the flu, lockdowns don’t work, Covid is a hoax, etc?

I've never seen a flu in July.  

Gosh could it be a... pandemic?!?!

44 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

  Looks like the Bangkok spread outwards will become a further reality.

I hope that very shortly strong measures will be put in place to stop all holiday trips out of bkk. Have missed this weekend however hopefully by next a closure would be step in right direction.

Personally that means I also would be stuck in Bangkok however it's necessary.

3 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Don't you think people should be thankful Thailand was not in the top 50 this time last year. We have only had significant problems in recent months, in other countries it came out of nowhere and have been struggling for well over a year.

Last March the doom and gloom merchants said we were facing an unprecedented disaster, something that never materialised. The current situation is not good but forewarned is forearmed so people should have some idea what to expect.

The Thai government could see clearly what other countries were doing and dropped the ball big time - for a country that relies heavily on foreign tourism they should have been preparing and keeping up with the rest of the world - they are now 12 months out of sync, when they saw the west and more buying up vaccines what was Thailand doing - we are the super race we don't need them mentality - complete and utter fools trying to do everything on the cheap - now look were they are - up the creek without a paddle 

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

Don't you think people should be thankful Thailand was not in the top 50 this time last year. We have only had significant problems in recent months, in other countries it came out of nowhere and have been struggling for well over a year.

Last March the doom and gloom merchants said we were facing an unprecedented disaster, something that never materialised. The current situation is not good but forewarned is forearmed so people should have some idea what to expect.

Let's see. Last year locked down. This year not. Last March the original variant this time three nasty variants. You say forewarned is forearmed then surely by international information and results a fast and hard lockdown was warranted after the Thong Lor spread and Songkran travel should have been stopped not encouraged. Also putting all your eggs into one vaccine basket, very slow uptake on AZ vaccines and a complete absence of any other vaccines is not what I would call forearmed.

44 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

So, what happened to all of those posters who were claiming this was just the flu, lockdowns don’t work, Covid is a hoax, etc?

I’m still here, hoax indeed

3 minutes ago, smedly said:

The Thai government could see clearly what other countries were doing and dropped the ball big time - for a country that relies heavily on foreign tourism they should have been preparing and keeping up with the rest of the world - they are now 12 months out of sync, when they saw the west and more buying up vaccines what was Thailand doing - we are the super race we don't need them mentality - complete and utter fools trying to do everything on the cheap - now look were they are - up the creek without a paddle 

One has to assume you think that the Thai GDP is no different to the major economies.

13 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Don't you think people should be thankful Thailand was not in the top 50 this time last year. We have only had significant problems in recent months, in other countries it came out of nowhere and have been struggling for well over a year.

Last March the doom and gloom merchants said we were facing an unprecedented disaster, something that never materialised. The current situation is not good but forewarned is forearmed so people should have some idea what to expect.

Your last sentence:

 

"The current situation is not good but forewarned is forearmed so people should have some idea what to expect."

 

I agree 100%. its just a pity the government here who were also forewarned and had some idea of what to expect, didn't do something about it in April when they had the chance.

16 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Don't you think people should be thankful Thailand was not in the top 50 this time last year. We have only had significant problems in recent months, in other countries it came out of nowhere and have been struggling for well over a year.

Last March the doom and gloom merchants said we were facing an unprecedented disaster, something that never materialised. The current situation is not good but forewarned is forearmed so people should have some idea what to expect.

 

forewarned is forearmed... go tell that to the government!

 

Just now, sandyf said:

One has to assume you think that the Thai GDP is no different to the major economies.

are you trying to say they can't afford a proper vaccine program - well that is complete and ustter nonsense for a start - they got their priorities wrong - simple as that ........................................penny wise pound foolish 

40 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

So what happened to all the posters who were saying it would be over in 2 weeks and it was under control telling the doomers and gloomsayers to stop spreading false information and then flip flops with tripple pike and back flip with added twist and joins the doomsayer like they were always saying it was getting worse then asking stupid questions like a child seeking comfort with the in crowd.The hypocrisy is only exceeded by the ineptitude of the post.

Like I have said before. They have crawled under a rock along with the ones that said Sweden was a shining example of how to handle a pandemic. 

15 minutes ago, sandyf said:

One has to assume you think that the Thai GDP is no different to the major economies.

Plenty of money swilling around in the trough for things TH doesn't need, like submarines...

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

30 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Tomorrow should see Thailand rocketing up the covid charts with a bullet at number 67. As I have stated previously at this rate Thailand will hit the top 50 next month. When I first looked at the worldometer Thailand was 177.

 

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Don't you think people should be thankful Thailand was not in the top 50 this time last year. We have only had significant problems in recent months, in other countries it came out of nowhere and have been struggling for well over a year.

Last March the doom and gloom merchants said we were facing an unprecedented disaster, something that never materialised. The current situation is not good but forewarned is forearmed so people should have some idea what to expect.

It is also worth pointing out that those who dance around the campfire, whooping in delight as the numbers go up, overlook 2 other factors.

 

They always seem to point to Thailand's position on Worldometer's table, gleefully noting that it is still climbing, but they fail to mention the other important figures. The ones, that in my view are just as important, maybe even more important.

 

The first one is 'cases per 1 million'. View that criteria and Thailand tumbles down to 151st place with 3,872 per million against a world average of 23,584.

 

The story gets even better when one looks at 'deaths per million'. Thailand has only 31 deaths per million. The world average here is 510.6. Worldometer switches the league places on this statistic, which results in Thailand being 51st from the top in this category.

 

So the battle is not lost yet and as the old proverb goes "It ain't over till the fat lady sings".

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Let's see. Last year locked down. This year not. Last March the original variant this time three nasty variants. You say forewarned is forearmed then surely by international information and results a fast and hard lockdown was warranted after the Thong Lor spread and Songkran travel should have been stopped not encouraged. Also putting all your eggs into one vaccine basket, very slow uptake on AZ vaccines and a complete absence of any other vaccines is not what I would call forearmed.

You must have lived in a different Thailand to me, lost count of the number of trips, including 2 by air, we had around Thailand last year.

When a proper lockdown, not a TVF version, should kick in is contentious but the numbers are now comparable to when other countries implemented such lockdowns.

To get the numbers down the UK shut everything down and restricted travel to peoples local area,  but they also relaxed over Christmas and paid the price, January saw 60K cases in one day. Every chance the government will be looking at how other countries dealt with the problem and the outcomes.

As for the vaccine, that problem came about because AZ defaulted on the agreement made last October for delivery in February.  It may come as a surprise but you cannot buy what others have made unavailable.

The damn thing will just have to run its course (sadly).

 

The politicans are vaccinated and (on my understanding of the senate and the constitution) they won't (= can't) be voted out, so they are just fine.

Last year: 1) We are special, we are unique, we have our own culture and ways of doing things and the ways of others don't necessarily apply to us, 2) we live a charmed existence, some divinity is protecting us, just look at the numbers, 3) there has to be some way of monetizing this not-so-serious situation and lining a few pockets, let's see, we limit the number of vendors so we can determine the flow and keep it all in our grip, while simultaneously showing our superiority over the West. 

But nature had other ideas.

21 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Your last sentence:

 

"The current situation is not good but forewarned is forearmed so people should have some idea what to expect."

 

I agree 100%. its just a pity the government here who were also forewarned and had some idea of what to expect, didn't do something about it in April when they had the chance.

I wouldn't disagree with that but some can tolerate a proper lockdown better than others.

Just now, Moonlover said:

 

It is also worth pointing out that those who dance around the campfire, whooping in delight as the numbers go up, overlook 2 other factors.

 

They always seem to point to Thailand's position on Worldometer's table, gleefully noting that it is still climbing, but they fail to mention the other important figures. The ones, that in my view are just as important, maybe even more important.

 

The first one is 'cases per 1 million'. View that criteria and Thailand tumbles down to 151st place with 3,872 per million against a world average of 23,584.

 

The story gets even better when one looks at 'deaths per million'. Thailand has only 31 deaths per million. The world average here is 510.6. Worldometer switches the league places on this statistic, which results in Thailand being 51st from the top in this category.

 

So the battle is not lost yet and as the old proverb goes "It ain't over till the fat lady sings".

 

 

 

I find no glee in seeing Thailand going down the path it's going. I find your comment offensive. You want to play this game look at weekly trends. Thailand is 17th worst in the world NOW.

6 minutes ago, pkrv said:

Plenty of money swilling around in the trough for things TH doesn't need, like submarines...

Obviously rational thought is an alien concept.

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

You must have lived in a different Thailand to me, lost count of the number of trips, including 2 by air, we had around Thailand last year.

When a proper lockdown, not a TVF version, should kick in is contentious but the numbers are now comparable to when other countries implemented such lockdowns.

To get the numbers down the UK shut everything down and restricted travel to peoples local area,  but they also relaxed over Christmas and paid the price, January saw 60K cases in one day. Every chance the government will be looking at how other countries dealt with the problem and the outcomes.

As for the vaccine, that problem came about because AZ defaulted on the agreement made last October for delivery in February.  It may come as a surprise but you cannot buy what others have made unavailable.

There were no flights during the big lockdown last year. Maybe it was you who were living in a different Thailand.

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Obviously rational thought is an alien concept.

For you and the so called leaders here, yes I would wholeheartedly agree.