Trouble with one of our dogs

[Surelynot]

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

just what Thailand needs, more temple dogs

Can't have too many temple dogs for sure......

[G Rex]

5 minutes ago, Speedo1968 said:

Agree and would suggest that PI Mee sterilized first.
You will need to take care of her perhaps separately after the op but, try not to make it seem you are giving preference to her otherwise issues may occur after.

Alternatively have all dogs neutered at the same time and keep them housed separately, expensive but you placed them in this position, the dogs are just acting naturally. 

 

Ensure they have collars.

You may find they will come in to a phantom season every few months after the op, thats normal.

A neutered bitch should never have a ‘phantom season’. 

[sirineou]

40 minutes ago, 1FinickyOne said:

No solution as I have a similar problem w/a dominant female here... I inherited 2 very spoiled dogs and the dominant one tries to control me... 

 

but, they all have individual personalities and it is not easy to find a general solution to this... knowing them, try and use the most suitable advice from here and your judgment... 

 

ps - did that first half of the language guide work for you? 

yes it did. I took the advise and wrote those and many other words on a litle book I keep in my pocket most of the time, If I cant remember a word I look it up in the litle book, after a while many of these words are beginning to stick.  Thank you!

[LoliLoso]

2 hours ago, grain said:

maybe attack and draw blood for some passing person, a kid on a bike. If that happens you're in deep deep &%$@. If you're considering putting a muzzle on a dog because it's become dangerous then IMHO the party's over and it time to get rid of the damn thing. Put her down or donate her to one of the temples miles away, see how she gets on trying to be the Alpha among a pack of temple strays.

Best solution is to send to a Temple far away. So the neighbours and you have a peaceful sleep. 

[LoliLoso]

1 hour ago, 1FinickyOne said:

No solution as I have a similar problem w/a dominant female here... 

Are you talking about human or dog????

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Doctor Tom said:

So do a lot of farangs in Thailand, only its not a few miles around, its thousands of miles.  Nature will always win out.  

Guilty as charged, my Thai GF has proved to be much better value than what I left back in Australia. But aren't we getting off topic a little?

[clonetom]

Only sensible and comprehensive response I've read here. I would follow it to the dot.

 

From a life-long dog adopter, who currently has 3F/1M from Labrador to Westie sizes living in one house/property, in peace and harmony...

 

...mostly ;)

 

[LawrenceN]

5 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

Best to let them work it out. Us working out dog problems is kinda like humans trying to stop covid. you’ll prob do the opposite of what you should. 

In fact, this is established Thai folk wisdom. There's a saying, "It's for the dogs (เรื่องของหมา)", meaning it's beneath us to get involved. 

[LawrenceN]

2 hours ago, LoliLoso said:

Best solution is to send to a Temple far away. So the neighbours and you have a peaceful sleep. 

That's hardly a solution. More and more temples are begging people not to abandon cats and dogs at temples. I have a photo of a banner in front of a temple in rural Chiang Mai in which the abbott shows he's fed up. The language is pretty shocking. He damns people leaving pets to the 8th rung of hell, wishing all kinds of suffering and painful death, and more to their relatives. I learned a whole new set of vocabulary that day. I would post it if this was in the Thai language forum. 

[VocalNeal]

5 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

Now some are starting to come into season and that is very likely why the fighting is happening.

Because the Alpha female in the pack is the only one allowed to mate.

[poohy]

The alpha female is just being a bit grumpy you have been away and you are her boss so shes got a bit big for boots

The brown one in picture is oldest and boss she puts other 2 in their place they in turn learn not to mess with her or play her up

A big problem we have is they sit around my chair on patio woe betide one of the 2 black ones sitting or lying in her place

[nickcar]

I wonder if your dog experts can help me. I have a dog about 13 years old, suffers bad Arthritis which has improved since I bought him some pills. His symptoms were his back legs didn’t work very well and he had difficulty getting up but that’s improved enormously. He now is quite vigourous but the problem is he has started peeing in the house. This has been going on for two or three months now and I don’t know how to train him to pee outside again. I am sure he is not incontinent and knows what he is doing.

Anybody got any suggestions?

[chilly07]

Get them all sterilised! Aggressive one first. You will have to keep them apart while they recover but keep the elizabethan collar on her  until she stops trying to attack the others. Can't imagine how anyone can put up with 4 dogs in season especially as they may coordinate them!

[VocalNeal]

27 minutes ago, nickcar said:

I wonder if your dog experts can help me. I have a dog about 13 years old, suffers bad Arthritis which has improved since I bought him some pills. His symptoms were his back legs didn’t work very well and he had difficulty getting up but that’s improved enormously. He now is quite vigourous but the problem is he has started peeing in the house. This has been going on for two or three months now and I don’t know how to train him to pee outside again. I am sure he is not incontinent and knows what he is doing.

Anybody got any suggestions?

What pills are you using? I could do with some.  He doesn't go outside because it is too much hassle. leave the bathroom door open. See if he goes in there?

[GreasyFingers]

An interesting topic having had female dogs myself in a past life. But it brought back memories of working on a sheep farm of about 5 million acres where they had 10-15 working dogs, both male and female. The dominant dog was a female who did control all of the others.

[RocketDog]

I had two female chowchow dogs, both spayed, one about 1.5 years older than the other. The older one kept attacking the younger. .

I went to the vet (USA) who put us in touch with a chow dog specialist who told us "No solution except to get rid of one".

We refused. One night, now over 20 years ago I saw a segment on the TV show 20/20 where a vet recommended giving the aggressor Prozac antidepressant.

I went back to my vet, he agreed. Within a week the aggression stopped, after 6 months we stopped entirely.

 

Both dogs lived together with both dying happy at age 14.

Do a search and you'll find many examples. I don't know why this is not more common knowledge.

My brother has two female Great Danes. He's been keeping them separate for more than a year. Recently they got together by accident. The ensuing battle cost my brother half a finger. I told him about Prozac, he asked his vet who had experience with the drug in that setting. Still my brother refuses.

 

Up to you. PM me if you want more specific details.

Edited July 14, 2021 by RocketDog

[sawadee1947]

Shame on you. 

You spent a lot of money for the ticket and life in US,....... but you forgot your dogs. You abandoned them. 

Don't you feel any responsibility for those who have to stay with you their life time??? 

And now you are wondering why your dogs are not friendly? 

I can understand their reaction, but unfortunately not you. 

You should not have animals because you are not caring for them in a proper way. ????

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, nickcar said:

I wonder if your dog experts can help me. I have a dog about 13 years old, suffers bad Arthritis which has improved since I bought him some pills. His symptoms were his back legs didn’t work very well and he had difficulty getting up but that’s improved enormously. He now is quite vigourous but the problem is he has started peeing in the house. This has been going on for two or three months now and I don’t know how to train him to pee outside again. I am sure he is not incontinent and knows what he is doing.

Anybody got any suggestions?

Check the medication for side effects, it may be a diuretic as well. You may need to find an alternative.

Take him outside at regular intervals, and reward him with a dog treat after he has peed outside the house. He'll cotton on very quickly.

[fabruer]

I saw mentions of a shock collar. I would love to put shock collars on those forum members who mentioned them. See how you love them.

 

Now on topic: @OP, you will have to establish yourself as Alpha again. Meaning, to show your dogs you are Alpha by doing what dogs do. If you see unwanted behavior in any of your dogs react immediately as there is a very limited time span available in which dogs will connect your action to their action.

Then, push your dog down by their collor on the ground and growl at them. If that won't help, turn them on their back, kneel down on their chest without putting your bottom weight down but make sure your knees are tight on the side of the dogs chest to control movement.

Now use your hand and start to push down on that area just below the dogs throat. There will be a point reached when the dog stops to move. Remember that pressure as your just establish you are Alpha.

 

Works on my own dogs and also ob my in-law dogs who were absolutely untrained. My in-law dogs are a rea pleasure now, they understand their order and refrain from doing anything of which they know that it will get me involved in above manner.

 

At the same time, reward them with their favorite treats when they show behavior that you would like to enforce.

[NightSky]

If you are struggling either find a new home for one or two dogs or contact soidog.org or similar foundation as there are a few in Thailand who would neuter and prepare dogs for adoption around the world. 
 

getting them all neutered is a good start. 
 

[Thingamabob]

9 hours ago, grain said:

If she attacked and drew blood from one of your other dogs, which she is familiar with and presumably grew up with, then you run the risk that she'll also maybe attack and draw blood for some passing person, a kid on a bike. If that happens you're in deep deep &%$@. If you're considering putting a muzzle on a dog because it's become dangerous then IMHO the party's over and it time to get rid of the damn thing. Put her down or donate her to one of the temples miles away, see how she gets on trying to be the Alpha among a pack of temple strays.

One of the most depressing and unhelpful posts I have read. Clearly not somebody who likes dogs, and who knows nothing about them. If your dog's have not been neutered I suggest that as a first step. By no means certain, but it tends to make them less aggressive.

 

[rumak]

8 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I've seen dogs get over a six foot fence to gain access to a female.

I once scaled an eight footer !

[MrJ2U]

10 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Separate her from the other dogs for a few weeks, then when she

is introduced to the others she will be the new dog, and will not be

leader of the pack....try that, better than having her put down,as its

not her fault.

regards Worgeordie

Very interesting.

 

Out female dog is the alpha in the group.  Funny, they let her eat before they do.  They all get along very, no blood drawn yet.

 

Good luck

 

[Kinok Powell]

9 hours ago, Surelynot said:

I hope you are picking up all their ßhit.

Shih Tzu shxt,would make a great title to a country song.

[poohy]

For arthritis in my older dog i use Rimadyl (carprofen) Chewable Tablets  works wonders on her

[fabruer]

30 minutes ago, poohy said:

For arthritis in my older dog i use Rimadyl (carprofen) Chewable Tablets  works wonders on her

Using the same for our 18 year old Dachshund.

Poor thing, artritis really painful. To be honest, in my home country I would help him out of his misery. He is in pain several times a day, doesn't move around much anymore. 

 

Asked the vet in Thailand, so far they have refused to put him down. Would rather have him suffer it seems ????‍♂️

 

Edited: typo

Edited July 14, 2021 by fabruer

[The Hammer2021]

Dogs play rough. You are the pack leader. Train it.

[EricTh]

@sirineou

 

You should have contacted 'the Dog Whisperer' when you were in USA.

 

 

Edited July 14, 2021 by EricTh

[runamok27]

13 hours ago, cleopatra2 said:

OP

What appears to have occurred is the pack lost its leader, namely you when you left. In the natural order this individual dog took over the status of being the alpha.

 

It is required for you to assert the acceptable boundaries.

This is the most correct answer. This dog is now the leader of everyone who lives in your home, including you. That doesn't mean to be cruel or mean to the lead dog but you do need to become the leader again.

[jak2002003]

OP......you say you rescued the dogs....but you are not looking after then properly and they are suffering under your care.

 

I can not even comprehend how you would think the option of destroying the dog better than to neuter it!

 

If you really rescued them and care about their well-being you would go and get them all neutered tomorrow.

 

You don't even take the poor dogs out to exercise. Imagine being locked in your yard 24/7 the rear of your life!

 

If you can't exercise the dogs and get them all neutered then you are best to find a home for them that can do these things.

 

If you put the dominant dog down then the one below it will become the problem. You are also going to have lots of unwanted puppies in the future when a male dog gets to the females in heat.

 

Also when they are in heat they will start fighting with each other in the confines of a yard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 14, 2021 by jak2002003