Thailand’s 40 CEOs reject ‘Wuhan’ model, call on PM to control pandemic, provide compensations

[cmarshall]

1 hour ago, geisha said:

We do not know, and never will, what happened in Wuhan !

Sure we do.  We know how severe the restrictions were on people in Wuhan during the shutdown, e.g. one family member could go out of the house once every other day for a couple of hours to get food for the household, etc.  Very strict, but also very effective.  By the summer of 2020 they were holding mass parties in water parks in Wuhan, because the virus was eradicated.

 

If the truth were substantially different with hospitals overwhelmed and a shortage of coffins, etc. then we would have known just as we know that never happened in Thailand even if we don't fully trust the numbers reported by the Thai government.

 

For July 20, the Chinese government reported 65 new cases in the country.  That is not the return of the pandemic; that is just a blip that the Chinese government will manage.

[cmarshall]

1 hour ago, DavisH said:

The virus came straight over the border. What is happening was inevitable. So you want to stay locked in your house for 6 weeks and rely on government deliveries of food? No thanks...

Are you joking?  Who wouldn't accept 77 days or so of home confinement to have a latest report of new cases to be 65 as in China on July 20, compared to 13,635 in Thailand?

[BangkokReady]

15 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

Get real.

It returned to Thailand in April this year.  If there had been a super lockdown last year, it still would have returned and would be here now.

[cmarshall]

14 minutes ago, ukrules said:

When delta hits all of these places it will be the same as everywhere else.

 

Vietnam has record infections every day right now for example :

 

 

Source : https://coronawiki.org/country/vietnam

 

It's just getting started for Vietnam at the moment.

 

That's the argument that Tegnel and Giesecke were making for Sweden when they defended their policy of no controls which lead to the current total of 142 deaths per hundred thousand compared to 15 for Norway.  Vietnam has a current total of 0.35 Covid deaths per hundred thousand.

 

The Vietnamese government has announced strict controls in several areas.  I expect that they will control the outbreak because they will do whatever is necessary to achieve that goal.

[kiwikeith]

9 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

You said it was false.  You prove it.  As said, I would not trust anything the Chinese said.   The very fact you have a nation reporting it has the same level of Covid infections per million as the remote Marshall and Soloman Islands is testimony to how specious their numbers are. 

All the world, is but a stage, and each and everyone but an actor, Donald Duck has left the stage now, geriatric ,Joe, is reading from notes, Vaccine companies are now saying /vaccinate pregnant women and children over 12, today in Fiji ,2 pregnant women died after been vaccinated, they saved the babies by casiserian . RNZ news today.

Thailand is in a dilemma, but I do not think the advised one worries.

Stop arguing ,the virus is everywhere. My guess it will taper in the next 6 months or, we will owe big pharma the world. 

[cmarshall]

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

It returned to Thailand in April this year.  If there had been a super lockdown last year, it still would have returned and would be here now.

If the Thai government had shut down the bars on Thonlor that were favored by the hi-so and stamped out corruption among the police and the military that allowed a porous border, then they could have prevented the current outbreak.  If they went back into the strictest lockdown instead of still trying to open the country then they still could shut down the outbreak.  

 

Last year Thailand was successful against the pandemic because, contrary to expectations, the military government let the public health sector manage the situation.  This year the soldiers got the hands on the vaccine programs, failed to order enough doses, failed to join Covax, failed to initiate local lockdowns promptly before they surged out of control, etc.  

 

The Covid variants are not the problem, because since the transmission vector hasn't changed the way to control hasn't changed either.  But those methods do require a competent government. 

[metisdead]

A post with a trolling reference to the Thai PM has been removed.  Like him or not, please spell his name correctly when referencing him. 

 

A post with a trolling image has been removed. 

[Richard Hall]

5 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Strange analogy. They did choose the horse and now they are asking the horse to do something. Why do you think they chose the horse?

Hm, because that horse ain't a runner to produce apples could be an option. ????

[itsari]

6 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Well, they did chose this horse when they supported the overthrow of the previous government.

 

Now they have buyer's horse remorse?

 

Time for a new horse, or is it jockey? Can't keep track here.

 

 

 

 

Dont look a gift horse in the mouth 

[MrJ2U]

Basically asking for a handout to the billionaire business folks.

 

Since the government won't why not donate money towards mRNA vaccines.  Once everyone is vaccinated they'll be making billions in profit once again while paying sh** wages.

[itsari]

47 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

Sure we do.  We know how severe the restrictions were on people in Wuhan during the shutdown, e.g. one family member could go out of the house once every other day for a couple of hours to get food for the household, etc.  Very strict, but also very effective.  By the summer of 2020 they were holding mass parties in water parks in Wuhan, because the virus was eradicated.

 

If the truth were substantially different with hospitals overwhelmed and a shortage of coffins, etc. then we would have known just as we know that never happened in Thailand even if we don't fully trust the numbers reported by the Thai government.

 

For July 20, the Chinese government reported 65 new cases in the country.  That is not the return of the pandemic; that is just a blip that the Chinese government will manage.

Built a large hospital in 10 days . 

[attento]

There have been comments here to the effect that China was able to halt Covid in 77 days.  Sadly, this is far from the truth. There are ongoing outbursts of Covid in many of China's provinces, but the official News Agencies have been instructed to censor all reports of them.  I receive frequent messages on WeChat (using VPN to evade censorship) about new Covid outbreaks.  However, authorities are at least giving these localised outbreaks rapid attention and essential treatment.

To think that anyone or any one country can eliminate the Covid virus is to misunderstand the nature of viruses.  This position may be reached at some far distant date, as a result of worldwide collaboration, but until then,  the virus is alive and well. 

 

[David T Pike]

They should be running the Government! 

[Airalee]

15 minutes ago, itsari said:

Built a large hospital in 10 days . 

it was actually two large hospitals and 16 field hospitals.  That was a year and a half ago.  Supposedly, all those hospitals have been mothballed since April of last year.  
 

What’s the truth?

 

Who knows.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/09/10/909688913/whatever-happened-to-the-instant-hospitals-built-in-wuhan-for-covid-19-patients

 

https://www.yicaiglobal.com/news/wuhan-last-purpose-built-covid-19-hospitals-close-as-patients-leave

[Stocky]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

the “40 CEO Plus” group

I bet they really have the people's interest at heart!

[Kevin Taylor]

1 hour ago, cmarshall said:

That's the argument that Tegnel and Giesecke were making for Sweden when they defended their policy of no controls which lead to the current total of 142 deaths per hundred thousand compared to 15 for Norway.  Vietnam has a current total of 0.35 Covid deaths per hundred thousand.

 

The Vietnamese government has announced strict controls in several areas.  I expect that they will control the outbreak because they will do whatever is necessary to achieve that goal.

Why always compare Sweden to Norway in this argument, no one can beat Norway a very rich country that looks after its people. Compare Sweden to England and they have half the deaths per capita last time I checked.

[raccos21]

4 hours ago, vandeventer said:

40 top CEO's, what about 70 milion Thais and many of us?

If you have no symptoms. You MIGHT have Covid -19 and not know it. Get tested ASAP and help us inflate our cases numbers and ruin lives by extending lockdown further.

[ukrules]

1 hour ago, cmarshall said:

I expect that they will control the outbreak because they will do whatever is necessary to achieve that goal.

This is a dream, it's also a dream for China.

 

Delta will rip through China like a nuclear blast shock wave.

 

[zyphodb]

6 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

A Wuhan style lockdown would destroy the country completely.  The government in power needs to find the money it has embezzled and filled their pockets with to return it to the people and then buy the needed vaccines.  They need to support all individuals that they have disenfranchised, its the only way or Thailand will be no more. Yes a little over the top maybe but truth be told unless they start to help all they are in for a world of hurt.  As The great and honorable PM said " What will be will be " so it really sounds like he doesn't give a sheet 

Ha, it'll be a warm day in hell before they do that,

returning money?

Thailand?

No one does that...

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

And what have these people, some of them billionaires, contributed? Hmm? I haven't read of even one giving a single satang to help the poor.

What!!!! Spend their own money on the hoi polloi? You must be joking.

[Naguu]

5 hours ago, mfd101 said:

Nanjing is in total lockdown even as we speak.

Not true. 

 

Health authorities in Nanjing, capital of Jiangsu province, have begun testing the city's 9.3 million residents for COVID-19 after a group of airport workers tested positive for the virus on Wednesday.

 

Nanjing authorities said they will test residents in all 11 districts of the city as soon as possible and told people not to leave the metropolis. Anyone wanting to leave the city must present a negative nucleic acid test result taken within 48 hours.

 

The Nanjing education bureau has notified after-school tutoring groups to suspend classes. Cities near Nanjing, such as Suzhou, Wuxi and Xuzhou, have ordered all residents who traveled to Nanjing in the past 14 days to immediately report to health authorities for nucleic acid testing.

 

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202107/22/WS60f7db01a310efa1bd663743.html

[itsari]

41 minutes ago, billd766 said:

What!!!! Spend their own money on the hoi polloi? You must be joking.

Even worse raise taxes 

[cmarshall]

53 minutes ago, ukrules said:

This is a dream, it's also a dream for China.

 

Delta will rip through China like a nuclear blast shock wave.

 

You have fallen for the hype about the Delta strain.  The fact is Delta changes nothing, because the transmission vector, aerosolized droplets, hasn't changed.  And we know that the transmission vector is effectively disrupted by the same public health measures of testing, isolating positives, contact tracing, social distancing, and mask wearing.  But that only works if the government in question applies them rigorously.  We know that China has been the most rigorous in the world so far.  So, it seems most likely that the Chinese and the other countries that have successfully suppressed the virus to date will do what is necessary now.  

 

 

[sammieuk1]

The courts will be doing brisk business with 40 CEO's facing defamation charges for stating the obvious ???? 

[DJ54]

IMO whoever is tasked with righting the ship that Covid monster has a huge challenge straight into a severe 

head wind that many if not all countries are fighting. Many will be burnt at the cross ( be blamed) for each

and every failure along the way. No countries or very few had/have the right formula as a cure all for others to follow.

 

I’m not a Trump fan but if he would’ve harnessed Covid before leaving office ... he’d probably be on his second term... 

 

July 22 news China's Nanjing city has started mass COVID-19 testing of its 9.3 million population and suspended a subway line as the city faces the latest local coronavirus cluster in the country.

 

We can all have our thoughts of how to solve this on what’s gone wrong and fixing it..  I would not want

to be at the helm during these difficult times in most countries in the world... 

 

US has a new challenge with breakouts on the rise again... let’s hope for everyone’s sake Covid gets under

control quick.. 

 

 

[Tonypandy]

8 hours ago, Thomas J said:

What is a Wuhan style lockdown.  Announcing that you have contained the Covid 19 and misrepresenting how many people were actually infected? 

No, it's what it says on the tin "a total lockdown" people were not allowed to leave thier apartments or houses for the duration, food and drinks brought in daily. Everything closed down, all roads in and out secured. 

[Naguu]

2 hours ago, attento said:

There have been comments here to the effect that China was able to halt Covid in 77 days.  Sadly, this is far from the truth. There are ongoing outbursts of Covid in many of China's provinces, but the official News Agencies have been instructed to censor all reports of them.  I receive frequent messages on WeChat (using VPN to evade censorship) about new Covid outbreaks.  However, authorities are at least giving these localised outbreaks rapid attention and essential treatment.

To think that anyone or any one country can eliminate the Covid virus is to misunderstand the nature of viruses.  This position may be reached at some far distant date, as a result of worldwide collaboration, but until then,  the virus is alive and well. 

 

Are you serious?  It is doesn't matter if you use VPN or not. They have always access to your Wechat account and information. 

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, Kevin Taylor said:

Why always compare Sweden to Norway in this argument, no one can beat Norway a very rich country that looks after its people. Compare Sweden to England and they have half the deaths per capita last time I checked.

Time to check again on per capita.

 

UK deaths per million = 1,888

Sweden deaths per million = 1,482

 

Your half the deaths is somewhat off base.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Edited July 22, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[DrMJA]

Now they the”40”  are speaking out, 555 the fools must be hurting… finally! OR

Pock Chi Roy Na..

(Parsley sprinkled on top of <deleted>)

[Mad mick]

14 hours ago, cmarshall said:

It took 77 days to eliminate the virus in Wuhan.  If the Thai government had put in a Wuhan lockdown last year the virus would be gone now as it is in China even without vaccines.  Instead they prolonged the dying and the recession.

who said its gone in Wu Han> CCP & You believe that criminal organization ? its out now and never going away learn to live with it