Who will never vaccinate except if forced to for visa reasons ? and do you think that they will force us ?

[Jeffr2]

2 hours ago, redwood1 said:

Hey..... You finally got something right here....lol......We don't care......

 

I think I lost interest  in your crusade about 40 pages ago..

 

 

The majority of us do care about those who don't. The sooner you care, the sooner we can put this pandemic behind us. We're all in this together. Sadly.

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

The majority of us do care about those who don't. The sooner you care, the sooner we can put this pandemic behind us. We're all in this together. Sadly.

Unfortunately the anti-vaccination campaigners, for whatever reason, are not new to this scenario as the cartoon below from the 1930s shows.

 

This particular cartoon lays the blame firmly on "misinformation".

 

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On 10/16/2021 at 1:31 PM, mavi said:

 

I just don't care other people reasons, I care my reason. Why should I vaccinate when covid is getting lower and lower ?

I didn't get it after almost 2 years, so why should I get it later ?

Anybody who is not a provax conspiracy theorist can reply please ?

serious question !

thanks

 

Aart from a few breakthrough cases, people who are coming down now with Covid19 are also those who didn't get it after almost 2 years. Do you think that they shouldn't have been vaccinated? What do you think makes you special?

[Jeffr2]

23 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Aart from a few breakthrough cases, people who are coming down now with Covid19 are also those who didn't get it after almost 2 years. Do you think that they shouldn't have been vaccinated? What do you think makes you special?

Another anti vaxxer argument bites the dust. They are pretty much down to just being stubborn or selfish.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/10/12/1044553048/covid-data-vaccines-breakthrough-infections-transmission

 

Breakthrough infections might not be a big transmission risk. Here's the evidence

[placnx]

5 hours ago, xylophone said:

This is an interesting article and worth a read........

 

Newly discovered bat viruses give hints to Covid's origins

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/newly-discovered-bat-viruses-give-hints-to-covids-origins/RWMHCNUDK4ICTASILSEKGJX344/

This article appeared in NYT which offers 5 free reads per month:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/14/science/bat-coronaviruses-lab-leak.html

[placnx]

11 hours ago, cdemundo said:

 

 

With all due respect to Dr. Stanley J Alexander,

Some facts about him:

https://www.healthcare4ppl.com/physician/california/arcadia/stanley-j-alexander-1497814685.html

• He graduated with honors from University Of Southern California Keck School Of Medicine in 1959.
• Dr. Stanley J Alexander has primarily specialised in Rheumatology for over 62 years.

https://keck.usc.edu/faculty-search/

His name is not found in the Keck School of Medicine faculty directory.

 

Dr. Alexander is no doubt a fine physician and has had a long and successful career in rheumatology.

His opinion is no doubt worth considering, even though he is not an expert in viruses or infectious diseases.

The opinion of one MD with a specialty in rheumatology upon the original of the COVID virus is certainly not sufficient to say that "the bat origin of this particular virus is no longer an issue".

Thanks for your research on Alexander. WSJ should have done the research which you did, before publication. Maybe he should have been titled emeritus prof. The article on which he commented is worth a read, but they are not virologists, either.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-coronavirus-lab-leak-virology-origins-pandemic-11633462827

[Hummin]

Would you vaccinate yourself against all STD if you could? And then you could act as STD never existed? 

 

Thats the question!

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Would you vaccinate yourself against all STD if you could? And then you could act as STD never existed? 

 

Thats the question!

Considering several of myself friends got hepatitis from non sexual activity, yes!

[Tony125]

On 10/16/2021 at 1:34 PM, mavi said:

Stunning that you do not understand that people get bored with your propaganda ! And anyway at the end you lose, because economy and people daily life and work are more important than your theory. Countries will reopen as they should have never close, and yes some people will get covid and die, just as millions people who die yearly of any other cause, STUNNING THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS !!!!

 

 

 

 

There’s Now CDC Data on How Much More Likely Unvaxxed Adults Are to Die of Covid

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/now-cdc-data-much-more-201921102.html

[Tony125]

On 10/16/2021 at 1:31 PM, mavi said:

 

I just don't care other people reasons, I care my reason. Why should I vaccinate when covid is getting lower and lower ?

I didn't get it after almost 2 years, so why should I get it later ?

Anybody who is not a provax conspiracy theorist can reply please ?

serious question !

thanks

 

So in the 2 years  that you have not gotten Covid have you taken precautions? Wearing masks, social distancing, not eating in restaurants, not going to large gatherings, ordering  food from grab? Non vaccinated will need to continue to do this otherwise sooner or later you will come down with Covid. You may be lucky and have mild case or unluky and die.

[Tony125]

Statins may slightly lower COVID-19 death risk; using a different vaccine as booster may offer more protection

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/statins-may-slightly-lower-covid-181702658.html

[cdemundo]

7 hours ago, placnx said:

Thanks for your research on Alexander. WSJ should have done the research which you did, before publication. Maybe he should have been titled emeritus prof. The article on which he commented is worth a read, but they are not virologists, either.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-coronavirus-lab-leak-virology-origins-pandemic-11633462827

Thanks, it does appear that there is evidence that points to a lab leak.

As you say, the WSJ did not accurately represent the good doctor's credentials.

No offense meant, no doubt this type of enquiry will continue.

 

[LA8RAT]

11 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

We're all in this together. Sadly.

It would seem some of us are less in it together than others. 

The rich and famous sports people and politicians, swanning around the globe without hindrance. No testing or quarantine for them. They are far too important. 

[torturedsole]

1 hour ago, Tony125 said:

Non vaccinated will need to continue to do this otherwise sooner or later you will come down with Covid. You may be lucky and have mild case or unluky and die.

I'm not buying it. 

 

Someone I know in the UK is double jabbed and recently contracted C19 and was sick as a dog. I've had no jabs and not had a problem, though quite certain I had a bout of C19 in early 2020 but wasn't up to much other than a few days of aches and pains. 

[tonray]

19 minutes ago, torturedsole said:

I'm not buying it

Nobody will sell you airline seats soon enough so that part is true

[torturedsole]

2 minutes ago, tonray said:

Nobody will sell you airline seats soon enough so that part is true

That's the point of this thread, is it not? 

 

Trust me, this double/triple (possibly endless) jabbing nonsense will fall away soon enough. Even if I was jabbed, I wouldn't fly to LOS at the moment as the requirements are too onerous for a short holiday.

 

Give it year or so and we'll all be on our way. ????

[Jeffr2]

5 hours ago, torturedsole said:

 

 

Give it year or so and we'll all be on our way. ????

I would not bet the farm on this. Covid will be with us for the rest of our lives. In one form or another.

 

Like 9/11, things have changed forever.

[Jeffr2]

5 hours ago, torturedsole said:

That's the point of this thread, is it not? 

 

Trust me, this double/triple (possibly endless) jabbing nonsense will fall away soon enough. Even if I was jabbed, I wouldn't fly to LOS at the moment as the requirements are too onerous for a short holiday.

 

Give it year or so and we'll all be on our way. ????

You need to read this.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-09-12/6-month-covid-outlook-2021

[Danderman123]

6 hours ago, torturedsole said:

I'm not buying it. 

 

Someone I know in the UK is double jabbed and recently contracted C19 and was sick as a dog. I've had no jabs and not had a problem, though quite certain I had a bout of C19 in early 2020 but wasn't up to much other than a few days of aches and pains. 

Yet another anti-vaxxer who thinks they had Covid early last year, but was never tested. Anyway, Delta doesn’t care about natural immunity from earlier variants.

 

If you are unvaccinated, the odds are pretty good that you will be exposed, sooner or later, and then you are in danger of going the ventilator route.

[thaibeachlovers]

23 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

The majority of us do care about those who don't. The sooner you care, the sooner we can put this pandemic behind us. We're all in this together. Sadly.

Then the sooner they make a vaccine that is the traditional sort and does not rely on "technology" the better. IMO most that won't take the new tech vaccines will be happy to go the same route as the flu jab they get every year.

[Danderman123]

35 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Then the sooner they make a vaccine that is the traditional sort and does not rely on "technology" the better. IMO most that won't take the new tech vaccines will be happy to go the same route as the flu jab they get every year.

All vaccines depend on technology. You just don’t like Covid vaccines because your internet friends send you lies about vaccines, and most of those lies are generated by Russian disinformation factories.

 

 

Here’s a hint for you: Sinovac is a traditional killed virus vaccine.

Edited October 18, 2021 by Danderman123

[Jeffr2]

32 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Then the sooner they make a vaccine that is the traditional sort and does not rely on "technology" the better. IMO most that won't take the new tech vaccines will be happy to go the same route as the flu jab they get every year.

There are several traditional vaccines out there. Where have you been ?

 

Plus, it's not new technology. It's been around for decades. I guess you are one of the people who'd be happy if we all stuck with a horse and buggy as transportation ? LOL. "That new fangled car scares me! I won't get in one until they are proven!". LOL

[placeholder]

11 hours ago, torturedsole said:

I'm not buying it. 

 

Someone I know in the UK is double jabbed and recently contracted C19 and was sick as a dog. I've had no jabs and not had a problem, though quite certain I had a bout of C19 in early 2020 but wasn't up to much other than a few days of aches and pains. 

You should publish your report in The Journal of I Have A Friend Who...

[Tony125]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Then the sooner they make a vaccine that is the traditional sort and does not rely on "technology" the better. IMO most that won't take the new tech vaccines will be happy to go the same route as the flu jab they get every year.

They already have vaccines made the  "old way" = inactivated virus. Sinovac and Sinoparm are made that way but as you may have noticed not too effective against Delta varriant. Your afraid of new tech because as an old timer you think progress cannot be made in Medicine and Science? That's how we got vaccines in the first place. I remember when Polio vaccine first came out you needed a shot. Later you could just take an oral drink. Times change.  Below are some of the way vaccines are made.

 

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-race-for-a-covid-19-vaccine-explained

 

Edited October 18, 2021 by Tony125
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[Tony125]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Then the sooner they make a vaccine that is the traditional sort and does not rely on "technology" the better. IMO most that won't take the new tech vaccines will be happy to go the same route as the flu jab they get every year.

As I mentioned in other article Sinovac/Sinopharm are made the old way = inactivated virus but as you see from link below its effacy is much weaker than other high tech vaccines and Thailand  and other countries will cease it's use. Even Chinese don't want it.

 

Thailand to cease Sinovac vaccine use when stocks end this month

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thailand-cease-sinovac-vaccine-stocks-082710604.html

[Tony125]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Then the sooner they make a vaccine that is the traditional sort and does not rely on "technology" the better. IMO most that won't take the new tech vaccines will be happy to go the same route as the flu jab they get every year.

As I mentioned in other article Sinovac/Sinopharm are made the old way = inactivated virus but as you see from link below its effacy is much weaker than other high tech vaccines and Thailand  and other countries will cease it's use. Even Chinese don't want it.

 

Thailand to cease Sinovac vaccine use when stocks end this month

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thailand-cease-sinovac-vaccine-stocks-082710604.html

[Tony125]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Then the sooner they make a vaccine that is the traditional sort and does not rely on "technology" the better. IMO most that won't take the new tech vaccines will be happy to go the same route as the flu jab they get every year.

As I mentioned in other article Sinovac/Sinopharm are made the old way = inactivated virus but as you see from link below its effacy is much weaker than other high tech vaccines and Thailand  and other countries will cease it's use. Even Chinese don't want it.

 

Thailand to cease Sinovac vaccine use when stocks end this month

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thailand-cease-sinovac-vaccine-stocks-082710604.html

[Jeffr2]

15 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

As I mentioned in other article Sinovac/Sinopharm are made the old way = inactivated virus but as you see from link below its effacy is much weaker than other high tech vaccines and Thailand  and other countries will cease it's use. Even Chinese don't want it.

 

Thailand to cease Sinovac vaccine use when stocks end this month

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thailand-cease-sinovac-vaccine-stocks-082710604.html

No worries. Anti vaxxers like him can stick with the less effective jabs and deal with the consequences. Sad.

 

Really shows the power of misinformation.

[placnx]

16 hours ago, torturedsole said:

I'm not buying it. 

 

Someone I know in the UK is double jabbed and recently contracted C19 and was sick as a dog. I've had no jabs and not had a problem, though quite certain I had a bout of C19 in early 2020 but wasn't up to much other than a few days of aches and pains. 

At the beginning of 2020 I too had symptons 2.5 days after visiting the dentist for extraction and 5 days after a dinner for 14 arriving from US, EU, and closer. Unusually cold chills and hard to sleep. At the time I thought that it could be an infection, but was fine the next day. Could you have had a mild dengue?

[placnx]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Then the sooner they make a vaccine that is the traditional sort and does not rely on "technology" the better. IMO most that won't take the new tech vaccines will be happy to go the same route as the flu jab they get every year.

The traditional are hit and miss. The Chinese have tried already. Flu vaccine will be upgraded to the new technology and will be significantly more effective than the current vaccine, so hopefully more of us will actually get vaccinated for flu.