Do you object to being asked if you’ve been vaccinated?

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8 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Or it might be that they're paying people to get the shots...

Harris County Will Pay You $100 To Get Your First Dose Of The COVID-19 Vaccine – Houston Public Media

 

It is interesting that there are about ten new billionaire executives in the US pharmaceutical industry since this all started... 

Or it could be that that you're flailing to find a refutation and are resorting to cherry-picking. Unless, of course, Harris county has expanded to include all these states.

Covid vaccinations in Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama more than double since July

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/05/covid-vaccinations-more-than-double-in-arkansas-mississippi-louisiana-alabama.html

 

And I don't see what relevance the windfall income of pharmaceutical executives has to do with the increased rate of vaccination uptake. Or what you think that proves.

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2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Dude claimed people that were not getting vaccinated previously were starting to get vaccinated because they were afraid of the latest variant of the virus.

 

I was  pointing out that the hundred dollar incentives that were being handed out may have some impact on getting people in as well. 

 

It's your thread, please try to follow along. 

And that incentive program was inaugurated on Aug 4. I think whatever little was left of your argument has just been invalidated.

[Yellowtail]

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Or it could be that that you're flailing to find a refutation and are resorting to cherry-picking. Unless, of course, Harris county has expanded to include all these states.

Covid vaccinations in Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama more than double since July

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/05/covid-vaccinations-more-than-double-in-arkansas-mississippi-louisiana-alabama.html

 

There are incentives in all those states, and what about all the recent mandates that compel many workers to get vaccinated? Do you think that keeping your job is not an incentive?

 

Just because the CNN crowd is afraid does not mean everyone is. 

 

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And I don't see what relevance the windfall income of pharmaceutical executives has to do with the increased rate of vaccination uptake. Or what you think that proves.

 

I did not say it proved anything, I just said it was interesting. No shortage of people making bank off the debacle...

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And that incentive program was inaugurated on Aug 4. I think whatever little was left of your argument has just been invalidated.

Sorry

 

Covid-19: Biden tells states to offer $100 vaccine incentive as cases rise - BBC News

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2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

There are incentives in all those states, and what about all the recent mandates that compel many workers to get vaccinated? Do you think that keeping your job is not an incentive?

 

Just because the CNN crowd is afraid does not mean everyone is. 

 

 

I did not say it proved anything, I just said it was interesting. No shortage of people making bank off the debacle...

In almost all those states that have incentives, the incentives have been in place for months. Yet the surge in vaccinations is recent. Give it up already.

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4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Sorry

 

Covid-19: Biden tells states to offer $100 vaccine incentive as cases rise - BBC News

And which of these southern states actually heeded Biden?

[Yellowtail]

Just now, placeholder said:

And which of these southern states actually heeded Biden?

CNN didn't tell you? 

 

In any event, I'm not saying the new variants have no impact on the increase, but thinking it is the primary reason might be a stretch.

 

You do not think vaccination requirements to return to work or school and the incentives have much of an incentive, I do, whatever. 

 

You might be right, all the people that were not very concerned about all prior covid variants are now all terrified of the latest one. 

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17 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

CNN didn't tell you? 

 

In any event, I'm not saying the new variants have no impact on the increase, but thinking it is the primary reason might be a stretch.

 

You do not think vaccination requirements to return to work or school and the incentives have much of an incentive, I do, whatever. 

 

You might be right, all the people that were not very concerned about all prior covid variants are now all terrified of the latest one. 

In other words, your defense of  citing of that $100 recommendation by Biden is nothing but a dumb wisecrack. 

As for vaccine mandates...Arkansas banned them. And its vaccination rates jumped by 197%

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2021-04-30/these-states-are-banning-covid-19-vaccine-requirements

In general it's the Southern states that have imposed the most comprehensive rules banning mandatory vaccinations. And yet it's in those states where the increase is highest. Give it up already.

 

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[Jeffr2]

15 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

CNN didn't tell you? 

 

In any event, I'm not saying the new variants have no impact on the increase, but thinking it is the primary reason might be a stretch.

 

You do not think vaccination requirements to return to work or school and the incentives have much of an incentive, I do, whatever. 

 

You might be right, all the people that were not very concerned about all prior covid variants are now all terrified of the latest one. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/08/18/covid-hospitals-delta/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Sentences 8.20.21

 

“It’s absolutely due to delta; it’s absolutely due to unvaccinated people,” said David Wohl, a specialist in infectious diseases at the University of North Carolina. “There is an incredible increase in hospitalizations across the spectrum, from just needing oxygen and some care to needing serious interventions to keep people alive. If everyone was vaccinated, our hospitals would not be anywhere near where we are,” Wohl said.

[Airalee]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Or it could be that that you're flailing to find a refutation and are resorting to cherry-picking. Unless, of course, Harris county has expanded to include all these states.

Covid vaccinations in Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama more than double since July

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/05/covid-vaccinations-more-than-double-in-arkansas-mississippi-louisiana-alabama.html

 

And I don't see what relevance the windfall income of pharmaceutical executives has to do with the increased rate of vaccination uptake. Or what you think that proves.

Many states have offered vaccination incentives for quite some time now.

 

https://www.nga.org/center/publications/covid-19-vaccine-incentives/

 

40 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And that incentive program was inaugurated on Aug 4. I think whatever little was left of your argument has just been invalidated.

…and long before August 4.

 

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Just now, Airalee said:

Many states have offered vaccination incentives for quite some time now.

 

https://www.nga.org/center/publications/covid-19-vaccine-incentives/

 

…and long before August 4.

 

And yet vaccination rates only jumped recently. What does that tell you?

[Airalee]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I'm not going to go to bother refuting a claim made without links. Try adding one before the mods delete your post.

You’re not helping the cause.  You should try to approach people in a more honest manner.  How do you expect to win hearts and minds with your tortured statistics?  You claimed that another poster was cherry-picking his facts when claiming incentives were being offered.  I refuted your claim (correctly) and provided a link.  You ignored it.  How very convenient for you to do so.

 

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/arkansas

 

 

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34 minutes ago, Airalee said:

You’re not helping the cause.  You should try to approach people in a more honest manner.  How do you expect to win hearts and minds with your tortured statistics?  You claimed that another poster was cherry-picking his facts when claiming incentives were being offered.  I refuted your claim (correctly) and provided a link.  You ignored it.  How very convenient for you to do so.

 

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/arkansas

 

 

I have no idea what your references to honesty are about. But here's this:

"In Arkansas, where the governor on Thursday reimposed a state of emergency and reported that all pediatric ICU beds were full, the number of vaccine doses being administered over the past month has gone from 27,000 a week on average, to 70,000 on average now.

“We have had to bring in more vaccine. For the first time in two and a half months, we are making a new large-scale order, said Col. Robert Ator, who heads the state’s vaccine effort."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/30/vaccination-increases-states-delta-surges/

 

And the figures in the table I cited above came from the CDC.

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[skatewash]

On 8/17/2021 at 2:58 PM, Surasak said:

I would like to be asked, but whomever asks may not like the answer.

It would be nice to give a positive answer, unfortunately at present it would be negative.

I have just received an email from Expatvac stating: 'After reviewing your registration, it cannot be further processed due to lack of required visas.

Please note that this registration platform is ONLY for foreign residents in Thailand and are not Thai nationality.

 

If you are a migrant worker or work under MoU with the Ministry of Labour, please wait for further information from the Ministry of Labour.

 

Thank you for your cooperation and understanding'

 

So much for that little effort.

This has happened to other people as well.  When you registered do you remember uploading your passport photo ID page and the page that contains your current visa/extension of stay?  Many people had problems doing that so in fact they only uploaded one of those things rather than both.  That might be the cause of the error you're seeing.  I don't know what fix is available for that problem as you cannot easily edit your registration data.

[LA8RAT]

On 8/16/2021 at 1:05 PM, mfd101 said:

Interesting how many people there are - both on this site and out there in the real world - who seem to have a 'Me Me Me' attitude that all but excludes the possibility of any concept of social responsibility.

 

If there's been one great social/cultural movement over the last 18 months in Western countries it's the weakening of exaggerated individualism.

 

A pandemic is like wartime: Individual rights get sacrificed for the common good. Get used to it

Latest scientific research says that vaxed or unvaxed a person is just as likely to be contagious. Same viral load. 

 

For the record I'm in the UK and have said.. No thanks to the experimental injection. 

When or if its passes all clinical trials I shall probably get it. 

[DavisH]

On 8/20/2021 at 2:17 PM, gk10012001 said:

I get asked many questions by many people about many things. Rarely is a response required.  Now in many places in the USA they have signs in places saying unvaccinated must wear masks. Vaccinated do not need to wear masks.  But, they do not ask for proof of vaccination so it is a moot point.  However, some cities in the USA have now passed laws mandating that places only allow in Vaccinated people and the businesses are required to check vaccination documentation.  Good luck with that.  The vaccine cards I have seen are not electronically based, and trivial to forge.   And now businesses are supposed to be trained on all the different types of vaccine cards out there, some people got emails, some got little paper receipts, some got notifications on the smart phone apps, etc.  It is far from standardized

May not be a huge issue in thailand. My vaccination certificate has a qr code. Scan it and its linked to the MoPH site and shows my vaccination record - type of vaccine, lot number and date. Not sure it will ever be used here for entry to establishments, though, but who knows.  

Edited August 21, 2021 by DavisH

[DavisH]

23 minutes ago, LA8RAT said:

Latest scientific research says that vaxed or unvaxed a person is just as likely to be contagious. Same viral load. 

 

For the record I'm in the UK and have said.. No thanks to the experimental injection. 

When or if its passes all clinical trials I shall probably get it. 

The vaxxed shed for a shorter time though. Take your chances with covid. Up to you. Because you will eventually be infected. I can assure you of that. 

[DBath]

58 minutes ago, DavisH said:

The vaxxed shed for a shorter time though. Take your chances with covid. Up to you. Because you will eventually be infected. I can assure you of that. 

Thanks for your assurances and your 'kind' words. However, I've weighed the risks and have decided I will not be taking your advice, but will instead rely on my experiences, lack of faith in my fellow man and my own judgement.

 

Thanks so much again for your consideration.

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2 hours ago, Airalee said:

You’re not helping the cause.  You should try to approach people in a more honest manner.  How do you expect to win hearts and minds with your tortured statistics?  You claimed that another poster was cherry-picking his facts when claiming incentives were being offered.  I refuted your claim (correctly) and provided a link.  You ignored it.  How very convenient for you to do so.

 

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/arkansas

 

 

Here's a 7 day rolling average of daily vaccinations state by state per 100 people.. (It's a bit jammed because I included all 50 states) 

What does that tell you?

 

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, LA8RAT said:

Latest scientific research says that vaxed or unvaxed a person is just as likely to be contagious. Same viral load. 

 

For the record I'm in the UK and have said.. No thanks to the experimental injection. 

When or if its passes all clinical trials I shall probably get it. 

That is absolutely wrong.  Vaxxed are far less likely to spread the virus.

 

And the vaccine isn't experimental. Don't post misinformation. Full FDA approval is expected very soon .

[Airalee]

30 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Here's a 7 day rolling average of daily vaccinations state by state per 100 people.. (It's a bit jammed because I included all 50 states) 

What does that tell you?

 

It tells me…

 

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

I'm not going to go to bother refuting a claim made without links. Try adding one before the mods delete your post.

 

[DBath]

8 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

An anti-vaxXer is a person who ignores the advice of every major medical board, National health ministry and global organization and instead clings hard to fears worries and doubts curried from websites and other alternates, such as politicians, whose purpose is not public health but to push an agenda.

 

One such incorrect idea is that the vaccine (sic) was "cobbled together".

 

In the US most of the covid-19 anti-vaxXer crowd are just adding vaccination to their conspiratorial world view. Anti-vaxX attitudes track very closely with right-wing politics, guns, religious fanaticism, presidential election theft conspiracies,  and extreme distrust of government. Two years ago they never thought about masks, and have been taking inoculations all their lives. Now they will fight in the street or an airplane over wearing a simple mask.

 

I've not read the advice of EVERY MAJOR MEDICAL BOARD, but I have educated myself enough to know that based on my life experiences with those in the medical profession, the medical industry, big pharma and the fact that I know what is best for me better than anyone else, including you. I've weighed the risks and decided against taking any vaccine at this time. Your judgement of me for that means less than nothing, got it? 

 

Delivery of a vaccine has been fast-tracked and promoted to the point where I, not being a trusting person to begin with, have decided to forego it. If you have a problem with that, you can shove it where the sun don't shine, pal.

 

As far as you trying to bait me into a debate regarding right or left-wing politics, that's not going to happen. Both right and left are just as bad at pushing their agenda's for everything and I have no allegiance to either, so don't even try to go there with me, dude.

 

I always wear a mask and take every precaution, except the vaccine. I live healthy, I eat healthy and I don't want or need your advice or the advice coming from the junk science community - inlcuding here on TVF. So again, I couldn't care less about your opinion. I have mine and it just so happens to be different than yours, so stop trying to force your opinion on me and everyone else who has a different one than you - science or no science.

 

You're not the end-all and be-all, to me or anyone else.

 

 

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[cdemundo]

3 hours ago, Airalee said:

Many states have offered vaccination incentives for quite some time now.

 

https://www.nga.org/center/publications/covid-19-vaccine-incentives/

 

…and long before August 4.

 

What are you arguing here?

I believe that The argument presented was that the rise in vaccinations was due to seeing the effects of Delta variant.

So the fact that vax incentives have been in place longer supports that argument.

The rise was not in response to the incentives, but came later when the effects of Delta became evident (more evident?).

 

Are you agreeing with that (as your evidence of earlier incentive programs supports) or contesting it?

 

[Airalee]

13 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

Are you agreeing with that (as your evidence of earlier incentive programs supports) or contesting it?

 

Neither.  Just pointing out that it was in fact happening.  New incentives are offered all the time.  Some of them are quite humorous.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2021/01/14/get-a-free-bag-of-marijuana-with-your-covid-19-vaccine/?sh=4f2612b82019

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30 minutes ago, Airalee said:

It tells me…

 

 

Here's the link.

https://ourworldindata.org/us-states-vaccinations

Does that mean I get to question your honesty, too?

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11 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Neither.  Just pointing out that it was in fact happening.  New incentives are offered all the time.  Some of them are quite humorous.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2021/01/14/get-a-free-bag-of-marijuana-with-your-covid-19-vaccine/?sh=4f2612b82019

Backtracking much?

[Airalee]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

Unless, of course, Harris county has expanded to include all these states.

 

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Backtracking much?

You were the one claiming that incentives weren’t widespread.  I just posted the facts (with a link to my source) that showed you were wrong.

 

Just the facts ma’am.

[DBath]

1 hour ago, Airalee said:

It tells me…

 

 

Bravo, I think I'm going to frame this.

[LA8RAT]

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

That is absolutely wrong.  Vaxxed are far less likely to spread the virus.

 

And the vaccine isn't experimental. Don't post misinformation. Full FDA approval is expected very soon .

If its expected very soon then it doesn't have it now, does it. 

[LA8RAT]

3 hours ago, DavisH said:

The vaxxed shed for a shorter time though. Take your chances with covid. Up to you. Because you will eventually be infected. I can assure you of that. 

Pretty sure I've already had it, last trip to Thailand was november/December 2019.

Was coughing my lungs up on the flight home(apologies if you were sat next to me) I did think it was the usual too many cigs and air con cough. But then my asthma was off the charts for a fortnight, and I managed to give it to mother and sister, and some people at work. 

 So I'm immune now ????????